so you got to take responsibility that's the Crux of the matter now yes we know that referees have got discretion in certain areas certain things are black and white but there are certain things that they have discretion and he chose not to give the right discretion both sides which is again not the right thing to do but again the bottom line is if dickan rice doesn't kick the ball away then he doesn't get sent off so at the end of the day he's the one responsible for the getting sent off not the referee I I have to say I disagree I I whose fault is it for kicking the ball away I I don't see this as a red card I don't see I don't see this as as a yellow card I don't see this as any kind of incident that warranted any more than a firm talking to by by the referee I the the I understand from a plain perspective you know Dean right is on a card I think what what you're doing there is you're trying to egg him on almost to give the to just to say to the referee that if something else happens um and it involves Dean rice well well look at that you're not thinking you're not thinking he's going to pick up a yellow card for that and and just to say well he's kicked the ball away and by the left of the law I I I don't think that does the game any justice that you you referee solely by well this is the law I'm applying it firmly every single time Common Sense has to has to come into play Common Sense has to Prevail here and and for me if the referee did nothing but speak to both players or speak to both sets of players I don't think anybody including everybody who's playing for Brighton including everybody who's supporting Brighton hasn't has an issue with it I I just thought that this was just cheap silly and and could have so easily been dealt with differently can can I just say I don't disagree with what you're saying my point is is that without Dean rice k i i i get it Dean rice is let me ask this let me ask this told to let me ask this players know that the referee is going to do that when that let me all right let let me ask this and and aleta's gaslighting tet's gas lighting if if Dean rice doesn't flick the ball away slightly as as he does and just continues or just stands as the ball hits the heel and the Brighton player I can't remember who it is comes and kicks into him as he does does anybody see that as a red card no I I don't and I don't think I don't think the referees should send him off but to to but but facing the wrong way yes my my my point is the Brighton player comes and kicks Dean rice across well catches him just below the knee right orbe with with his shin part of his leg the by the LA of the law you kick somebody below the knee that's a red card but if if that every referee to does nothing about it as he did nobody has a problem with with it I I don't I just don't see it as I just don't see it as as being um anything at all egregious anything at all even warranting a yellow card na yeah I I'm more on Stevie side with this to be honest because the way that I perceive it is that in this moment like in the game Dean rice is on a yellow card I think it's fair to say that from when you are on a yellow card even though you can try and play exactly the way that you did before you have to make slight adjustments and I think one of those adjustments would be to get away from that position because velman ended up kicking him because was trying to kick the ball him to get him yellow carded anyway so that's gamesmanship by velman from that standpoint I think for rise to even be in that position I think I just think he switched off and I understand the arguments about inconsistency and so on but I think it was last year where the rule was like hardened like if you kick the ball away you will get booked that's why Arsenal was so outraged by the ja Pedro one in the first half I think years ago he' be like oh come on ref you need to B him but again the incident doesn't need to happen de R is a good enough smart and off player to not be in that situation full stop and again it's because he's on a yellow card and I think because it led to a red that's the big conversation but I think by itself it' be a yellow just I think pretty much every day of the week because he's allowing himself to be judged by the referee in a way which he did not need to at all and I think from my side again when the argument from the Arsenal perspective is about consistency I think it's sort of deflecting away from the fact that the decision making in that moment from somebody very experienced was incorrect [Music]