we look now at the issue of abortion this is Donald Trump speaking on the ABC News presidential debate the plan is as you know the vote is they have abortion in the ninth month they even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia the previous governor of West Virginia not the current governor is doing an excellent job but the governor before he said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby in other words we'll execute the baby and that's why I did that because that predominates because they're radical the Democrats are radical in that and her vice presidential pick which I think was a horrible pick by the way for our country because he is really out of it but her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine he also says execution after birth it's execution no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay and that's not okay with me hence the vote there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born Madam vice president want to get your response to president Trump well as I said you're going to hear a bunch of lies and that's not actually a surprising fact let's understand how we got here Donald Trump hand selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roie Wade and they did exactly as he intended and now in over 20 states there are Trump abortion Bans which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide Health Care in one state it provides prison for life Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest which understand what that means a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next that is immoral and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply help beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body I have talked with women around our country you want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot she didn't want that her husband didn't want that a 12 or 13-year-old Survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term they don't want that and I pledge to you when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of roie Wade as president of the United States I will proudly sign it into law but understand if Donald Trump were to be reelected he will sign a National Abortion B B understand in his project 2025 there would be a National Abortion a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies your miscarriages that's kamla Harris and president Trump uh debating the issue of abortion in last night's ABC debate that was moderated by Lindsey Davis and David mure in these last few minutes we have together Amy Littlefield abortion access correspondent at the nation magazine in Boston if you can respond uh to president Trump's shifting uh approach to abortion and what kamla Harris argued I mean Amy can we just pause for a minute and talk about how sick it is that we're now almost a year into Israel's war on Gaza and the only and you know images emerging every day of mothers and fathers in in you know Gaza weeping over the bodies of their dead infants and children and the only dead baby we heard mentioned from the debate stage was a figment of Donald Trump's imagination I mean this talking point which is his number one talking point on abortion that abortions happen after birth and we finally had a moderator who was prepared I mean please let's give lindsy Davis the Pulitzer Prize for Best oneliner in a presidential debate because she nailed that right in no state in the country is it legal to kill an infant after birth okay um but I you know I thought kamla Harris was finally out there channeling the outrage and the profound sense of violation that many people across this country feel in the wake of the dobs decision I wish she had pushed back more strongly on the issue of later abortions you know the issue of abortions taking place after the viability point which of course you know roie way that framework which Harris said she supported um and the protections and allowing states to ban abortion after that point um I wish Harris had been more staunch in in defending people who need abortions later in pregnancy um but of course you see Donald Trump you know across the board trying to espouse basically every conceivable position on the issue um and and Harris I think finally we have a candidate who you know eyes shining talking about women bleeding out in parking lots you know having their IVF treatments interrupted was really channeling the rage and and sadness that so many people feel after dos and and Amy this whole thing of trump claiming that uh that he did uh by by the elimination of Robby v Wade he allowed the states to decide something that the people kept telling him that they wanted for the state governments to decide uh how to control women's bodies I mean you know again you have this situation where Donald Trump is claiming credit for overturning roie Wade but then saying he's going to make IVF free and then saying maybe he's going to vote in favor of the abortion rights ballot initiative in Florida but then maybe he's not but then maybe he will again I mean it's Trump is a moving Target but look we have to look at his record here what did this man do he overturned 50 years of precedent right he put the Supreme Court Justices on the court to overturn roie Wade people are not going to forget that I mean to quote the great Taylor Swift who of course endorsed kamla Harris and Tim Walls on Tuesday uh in plain sight you hid but you are what you did okay I don't think we're going to forget what Donald Trump did when it comes to abortion rights well Amy Littlefield we want to thank you very much for being with us and when Taylor Swift issued that endorsement last night she signed it childless cat lady with a photo of of her cradling one of her cats Amy Littlefield abortion access correspondent at the nation I want to thank all the folks who joined us today including Ralph nater and Joe stiglets and you can see our continued debate that they will have after the show at democracynow.org and Carol Anderson as well as Jean G this is democracy Now produced by Mike Burke Renee felz Dena gazer Sher dadus Messiah rhods ning sha Maria terasa Tammy Warf Terina nadora Sam alov Tam Mario John Hamilton rabby Karen hany massud and Hannah Ellas our executive director is Julie Crosby special thanks to Becca sty John Rand Paul power Mike defilippo Miguel Nera Hugh gr Dennis moan I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez thanks so much for joining us