Kamala is Trying to Distance Herself From… Herself?

she thinks she can get away with ditching and deleting all these positions that she held practically 5 minutes ago through a press spokesman until she personally stands up and says I was wrong do not take it for a minute hello everyone welcome to the Steve Hilton show what a show uh today we have an absolutely brilliant list which you will want here of all the specific crimes that kamla Harris when she was State Attorney General downgraded and claimed were not violent and so this is the information you need when people run around saying oh she's so moderate now she's Centrist and all the rest of it and and then when she says she's such a great prosecutor and tough on crime whatever you really need to listen to that conversation Katie Grimes is here with that from California Globe also a really interesting interview um and this guy's been controversial in the last week or so um you you know him pretty well he's been on this show a few times Nathan Hawkman he's running for district attorney in Los Angeles um and he uh he was he ran as a republican for for State Attorney General uh this time he's running as an independent in the race down in Los Angeles for district attorney against George gascon but he recently endorsed Cara Harris for president and that caused a lot of cont controversy and we address it directly with him so you'll want to hear that conversation but I want to start today with something that's very close to my heart um it's about the presidential race it's about a phenomenon that that I'm getting more and more um not just frustrated but but really kind of angry about frankly which is the way in which Cara Harris for Pure political expediency is trying to distance herself from her past policy positions and statements you know exactly what I'm talking about there's a long list of these things far-left positions um that she very strongly argued for not that long ago this is not like when she was 20 uh running around in Berkeley with the far-left Brigade this is when she ran for president just a couple of years ago positions like eliminating Private health insurance Medicare for all um Banning fracking Banning meat um decriminalizing illegal immigration all of these are real positions that she took not that long ago and there's more there's a lot of them and what's happening is that she now realizes and her team realizes that these are very unhelpful positions they're far-left extremist positions where these kinds of policies have been implemented they've been a disaster and they're very unpopular so she's trying to suggest that she's now moving to the center and that she's not um the kind that doesn't hold these positions anymore but look how she's going about that she's not saying it she's not coming out and explaining why she's changed her mind and why the position that she held just a couple of years ago is no longer valid it's just all being done through spokes people in the press as if you can just sort of delete things that are inconvenient without having to address it personally and the reason that it it offends me so much is that this is something that I've spent a lot of my time on in a in a previous part of my career and have observed very closely I'll get to that in a minute but first of all let's just see a clip which brings this to life it was just from this past weekend it was Senator Tom Cotton On ABC's Sunday Morning Show usually hosted by George Stephanopoulos This Time by guy called Jonathan Carl and what was so revealing about this is that it exposed both the outrageousness of what's going on with carel Harris which is that she's trying to distance herself from all these policy positions without going to to the trouble of actually doing it herself but secondly how complicit the media are where they're just going along with it instead of doing their job which is to interrogate it and try and get her to go on the record and hold her accountable for this and explain why if it's true that she's changed her position why what's this all about what's your new position none of that's happening in fact they are acting as Carmela Harris's spokespeople and the that is happening right across the media you see it Faithfully recycled in print Publications New York Times axos all the rest of it and on TV as well and this was the best example and Tom Cotton did a fantastic job of pushing back on it so let's watch that clip and president Trump is going to draw a sharp contra with kamla Harris who has supported things like decriminalizing illegal immigration or giving taxpayer funded health insurance to illegal aliens or taking away health insurance on the job for 170 million Americans Banning gas cars confiscating Firearms these are all what do you mean taking away health insurance what are you talking about she said when she ran for president that she wants to eliminate Private health insurance on the job 70 million Americans trunk yeah I mean I mean that that is not her position now she know how do you know that's not her how do you know that's not her position she she said she NOS she not said she has not said that maybe anonymous AIDS on a Friday night have said that but the re but the last thing that she said on this was not a radical uh convention I mean she she she as you heard me go through with Bernie Sanders uh she is not taking the positions of the farle of her party she's clearly making an effort to move to the middle I I did hear what you said to Senator Sanders and I I thought it was clear that he's very disappointed that she's taking these efforts not to change her positions but to hide her positions John he's completely right Tom Cotton there and as far as I'm concerned carela Harris should be held to her previous positions and why do I think that so strongly because I've been right in the middle of a process to try and address this kind of thing of course it's true that political parties and candidates from time to time change their positions as the facts changed or as the leaders who come into power want to change things they go through a process and I've I've both witnessed and been a part of two of these so if you look at let's start with a process that I wasn't part of but I watched Pretty closely so Back in the Day in the UK the labor party the leftwing party the equivalent of the Democrats had gone very far to the left um this is in the Thatcher era they kept losing elections to Margaret Thatcher and then to John Major the prime minister who um whose campaign was my first campaign that I worked on in 1992 fourth general election defeat in a row for the labor party and the leader of the party guy called Neil kinck this is before Tony Blair came to the view that the party had just gone too far to the left and was out of touch with with mainstream opinion and needed to be brought back into the center so he initiated a process Neil kinck this guy by the way he was the one that uh who was the labor party leader who Joe Biden plagiarized and as a result had to drop out of the 1987 in 1987 drop out of the 1988 presidential primary so this guy Neil kinck begins a process of trying to um change the labor party and it was a really tough process and he would go and um you know head on take on the farle in his party there's a very very famous speech um where he's at the annual Convention of the labor party party and in the audience you've got all these far-left union leaders and it was called the militant tendency they to they took over a whole city Liverpool famous city you may follow soccer Liverpool FC yeah well that city was taken over by the far-left extremists in the labor party labor counselors and Neil kinck made an incredibly famous speech and I'll just play you what he said it it became one of the most famous moments in the last 50 years of British politics because it showed real Courage the leader of the party directly confronting the farle in his own party I'll tell you what happens with impossible promises you start with far-fetched resolutions they are then pickled into a rigid Dogma cord and you go through the years sticking to that outdated misplaced irrelevant to the real needs and you end in the grotesque chaos of a labor La Council a labor Council hiring taxis to Scuttle around the city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers I'm telling you no matter how entertaining how fulfilling the show Eagles I tell you and you listen I'm telling you you can't play politics with people's jobs and with people's [Applause] Services the voice of the people not the people here the voice of the real people with real leads is louder than all the Boos that can be assembled understand that please comrades in your socialism in your commitment to those people understand it now that's real leadership whatever you may think of him and I disagreed with Le Neil Ken was actually a labor party leader and I thought his policies even once he'd moved a little bit to the center were still too far left and so on and I and I you know was very very much involved in in an election campaign to defeat him which we did we beat him in 1992 John Major won Neil kinnick lost and then the process continued they had the leader that came after Neil kinck guy called John Smith he had a heart attack didn't last very long then it was Tony Blair and Tony Blair really went for it and he spent years trying to bring the labor party to the mainstream and he would he would you know painstakingly work through their policy programs go to meetings persuade his you know the leadership of the party the membership of the party he'd go on the media he'd explain it he'd make his case it took years of work and at the end of it he actually succeeded and did genuinely change the labor party and make it more moderate and mainstream and abandoned all these far-left positions and as a result of that because he went through it for years and years of of real hard work and by 1997 got the labor party to a position where it was more in the mainstream and it was trusted and they were elected and he became prime minister um for a number of years he W he won three elections Tony Blair because he genuinely did bring again I don't agree with him on everything but you can't dispute the fact that he sincerely believed that the party had to change and he led that change in a very serious way and then you come to the process that I was involved in for David Cameron in the conservative party we had a similar problem we'd lost three elections in a row and we felt that the party had become too detached from mainstream public opinion on certain issues in particular there's this sense which you know may have been unfair but but whatever that the party the conservative party in the day was for the rich and just didn't care about working people didn't care about issues like poverty and so on and so we worked incredibly hard to to change the substance of our you know the policy areas that we were focused on try and really think through how we applied our principles our conservative values to a different set of issues do it in a way that we could bring our membership with us and not saying we did it perfectly um of course not but it was the same process you go through of changing a party and trying to adjust it to the to the current ERA and to make make us you know fit for purpose in terms of winning elections so that's a really really you know we worked for years incredibly hard to do that and so when you've now have a situation where KLA Harris who is in the same position as Neil kinck Back in the Day in the UK labor party of being stuck with all these positions and by the way they're her positions so the difference is that all these people these these political leaders that I've referred to in the UK context who led this process of change they all were Believers in the change it it wasn't their statements that they were trying to change it was the policy positions of their party they were always more moderate same with you know Neil kinnick in in the UK context he wasn't the far-left he was TR he was he was trying to beat the farle Tony Blair personally was always a moderate he was trying to win an argument same with David Cameron he'd always held these views but you look at carela Harris these were her opinions she's trying to ditch her views and her policy positions so it's even more important I think that she at least goes through the process of explaining why she's changing her position and why we should believe the sincerity of it and why we should take it seriously but she's not doing any of that and that's why find this process so outrageous and offensive because I've seen it when a political party or a political leader truly sincerely wants to become more moderate modern Centrist mainstream whatever you want to call it in order to put their party put their candidacy in a position where they can win an election I've seen it from the outside from the inside and it's a really tough process and it's real leadership to make that happen what we're getting right now from carel Harris is the opposite of leadership instead of actually standing up there and saying I was wrong when I said eliminate Private health insurance I was wrong when I said ban fracking I was wrong when I said we should legalize illegal immigration I was wrong when I said we should ban meat I was wrong about all these things here's why I was wrong here's why this is the right policy for today and here's why you should believe me take me seriously she's not doing any of that cuz she's not a leader she's a weak unprincipled machine politician and she thinks she can get away with ditching and deleting all these positions that she held practically five minutes ago through a press spokesman it is totally outrageous and unacceptable and so as far as I'm concerned until she does that until she personally stands up and says I was wrong about all these positions and here's what I've now realized and this is the change and this is why I now believe in this position do not take it for a minute as far as I'm concerned she should be held to those far-left positions until she has the decency and the courage and the leadership to change them directly all right there's a really interesting policy development that's happened just in the last few days we're taping this on Monday August the 26th on Friday just a couple of days ago massive event in the presidential race and a lot of people um quite rightly and for obvious reasons focused on the the kind of horse race political horse race aspect of it which was RFK Jr dropping out of the presidential race and endorsing Donald Trump and so a lot of the commentary was around well what happens to his voters and how many percent does he have and in the swing states does this mean that Trump will win and so on how many you know voters he really represent what does it mean for the election itself in terms of the mechanics of the election and the actual voting but there's another layer to it that's actually in the long term even more important and that is the central policy story that came out of that day it was absolutely fascinating and totally unpredictable no one would have thought uh that this would be uh something that happened right at the top of the agenda in terms of American politics even even a month ago you wouldn't have predicted this now you will or if you are regular listeners of this show uh and actually viewers of My Fox News show um and in particular regular listeners of the Big Ideas Book Club with Steve Hilton you will have come across a guy called c means c a l e y means M A NS and he's written a book with his sister Casey a fantastic book which which we featured in Big Ideas Book Club called good energy and the main argument that he's been making for years and and and why we first connected was about the total devastating and destructive corruption at the heart of of our Health Care system and our health care industry and his argument has basically been something that actually I wrote about first in my my book more human back in 2015 and so it really connected with everything that I've been thinking um which is this that actually we talk about our health care System it's not a Health Care system at all it's a sickness care system system it's a sickness system it keeps people sick and so we have this devastating um phenomenon right now which is the reason we have this absolute epidemic as he puts it of chronic disease in this country heart disease and diabetes and all these things a whole range of cancers um that are just making us the most unhealthy rich country on the planet and so what you've got going on is that we've got one corrupt industry the what you could call Big food and big Agri culture the the the the giant agricultural firms that grow wheat and soybeans and so on that are basically colluding with the government bribing legislators and Regulators in the FDA and elsewhere to allow poison basically to be uh dressed up as food in our industrialized food system and then when the when the poisonous food we all eat makes us sick you then have big farmer corruptly embed with politicians and the regulators and the FDA and all the rest of it in order to give us medicine to counteract the poison that's in our food system and their argument in good energy is that actually none of this is necessary and if we lived healthy lives and just did some basic things not even complicated things that would keep us healthy in the first place we wouldn't need all this you know pharmaceutical intervention from Big farmer but of course if we didn't need big Farmer they wouldn't make the money that they make and that's why you've got the corruption and they pay for the the um legislators at the federal and state level to allow them to push their drugs and and the food industry is allowed to push its unhealthy products and all the rest of it and and just specific examples I mean listen to the episode you you'll get the picture but you know just for the fact that for example sugar is is omnipresent in our food you know you can't buy bread in America without sugar being in it completely ridiculous all that is the result of of a corrupt system which they totally take apart in this book but what's really interest and I to a certain extent I did in my book more human back in the day what's really interesting is that RFK Jr has been on this for years as well he's been a real exponent of this whole argument and c means knows him and c means has become connected with the Trump campaign and in many ways has been at the heart of of the rapal between RFK Jr and Trump and what was so interesting was that in that announcement on Friday where you have RFK Jr first of all himself making the announcement directly about why he was suspending his campaign and endorsing Trump and then with Trump on both occasions making the point that that one of the you know the driving reasons for this is because the thing he really wants to achieve the substantive thing he wants to get done is to help end the epidemic of chronic disease in America in all the ways that we've outlined by by dismantling this corrupt system and what was really amazing is that you saw Trump actually making the same exact argument and they've been talking about it clearly and Trump is clearly you can tell just the way he spoke about it on Friday really gets it really believes it and wants to help make it happen so you know almost out of nowhere although it's years of work that have brought the various participants to this point um you've had this issue which really is a fundamental issue but never discussed in politics because all the conversations around Healthcare about you know Medicare and Obamacare and tax rates and you know payment and all that all that kind of stuff the insurance aspects of it rather than why are we so sick in the first place and what can we do to become a healthier country and suddenly out of nowhere that's at the heart of the policy conversation in the election and amazingly enough it's on the Republican side and it's Donald Trump who's leading it it was a really really fascinating development if you want to know more please do check out that episode of Big Ideas Book Club it was just a couple of months AG go with Cali means all right for California Corner today we're joined by our friend Katie Grimes absolutely brilliant Katie Grimes who is the editor-in-chief of the California Globe I'm sure you all know the California Globe but just in case you don't you must read it and follow it and uh social media alerts and all the rest of it because it's essential reading because it's the for the truth about California we have this incredibly biased media um as we all know totally in the pockets of of the Democrats and the one party ruling Elite here in California and the California Globe is bringing you the truth and real accountability and what I love and I'll bring you in now Katie um and just to sort of say at the right at the top we've got a couple of specific stories to get through today but um what I love about your your pieces is that you just learn so much they're really really well researched whether you're writing them or your team that you you commission from they're just fantastically informative pieces on California Globe that's my experience thank you Steve uh that is what we try to do we we want our voters in California to be informed voters uh unlike our politicians who would like them to remain ignorant so uh that's pretty pretty much our entire task these days fantastic well let's get straight to a couple of the stories there's a live issue now in California which is you know I would say scarcely believable because it just you know it's such an insult to every hardworking Californian in particular to you know a lot of the people I've been meeting um up and down the state Latinos workingclass Latinos who who just working incredibly hard to try and you know pursue the California Dream in particular the dream of home ownership which is really Central to to their idea of what the California Dream really means the California Dream is now totally Out Of Reach for most Californians because we have the highest housing costs in America and the lowest home ownership all through the policies pushed by Democrats includ the carela Harris agenda we can call it now that she's running uh Nationwide and saying she's going to replicate what's happened in California and that's the sort of basis of her ideology well that's that's what we've got the highest housing costs in the country and it's partly the environmental regulations that have driven that it's the taxes the impact fees which are like a tax on house building that they that they charge and of course the the hidden part that no one talks about and this is where you know Carla Harris really needs to be held accountable is the unions the ions who use abuse environmental laws to file lawsuits to block housing so they can extract higher wages and you know um Union only Union member only workplaces I mean the whole thing is a scam and a racket it's totally corrupt like pretty much everything else in terms of democratic politics in California and now she turns around and says she's going to solve the housing crisis in Nationwide even though she's created it as if as it were with the policies here in California the worst housing crisis in the country and then on top of all that and this is what I want to talk to you about that's just the scene setting the news is that to add insult to injury California Democrats right now are pushing a bill through the legislature to give taxpayer funded down payment assistance here in California to illegal immigrants what does that tell us about their priorities and and frankly their morality Katy oh you asked very very good question Steve I think it shows you number one that the politicians who are elected in California most of them certainly not all have absolutely no interest in what the issues are that the people have to live with they are being um almost chosen to run for offices by very very high powerered money interests once they get into you know they'll their mouths will talk but they'll you know oh I care for you we want lower taxes we want affordable housing blah blah blah but once they get into office these are the kinds of policies that they push um and again it's coming from someone above them they do not care about the California people and so I hate to say this didn't surprise me but that's how jaded we are in California that they continue to push these kind of policies that don't help us the people who've lived here for decades who paid the taxes whose kids have to go to the public schools who suffer under either high rent prices or you know ridiculously priced houses to purchase um they're doing nothing to help the bulk of the people and they quickly pivot on their latest public interest and that is the illegal immigrant it's amazing I mean just to be you know precise about what what actually the anatomy of this as it were so I believe it's ab1 1840 we have so many bills it's hard to keep track of them and then the numbers are just ridiculous so this is a pre-existing scheme which is about um giving down payment assistance to Californians and this bill expands a pre-existing scheme to include illegal immigrants that's what it does and you and but but but what one of the things about the previous Pro scheme was that it was massively oversubscribed and there wasn't enough money for The Californians who wanted it so guess what they expand it for illegal immigrants it's just sort of mindblowing the the the and I I on social media I said the cruelty of it the heartlessness you've got people who works so incredibly hard two jobs three jobs you know all week you know you know trying to you know Scrabble together what it takes to afford the ridiculous house prices I mean the median house price the typical house price the midpoint in the house price range in California is now nearly a million dollars yeah and you're giving it to illegal immigrants I mean it's just I I I don't know I mean and and here's the question you've got Cara Harris Nationwide saying she's going to give down payment assistance 25,000 did I mention that that the this this goes up to $150,000 per person this scheme in California I mean what are you talking about and the question I've got is with her proposal for Nationwide a nationwide version of of this will that include illegal immigrants has anyone asked her of course we can't ask her because she won't do interviews but that's the question it is the question Steve um and unfortunately we've already seen this happen in California because this is what our politicians did with medical they once again they included illegal immigrants onto California's um uh lowincome or welfare recipient Level Health Care System frankly they're trying to throw all of us in there but we keep we keep seeing this this is what they're doing they're opening doors to the people who are not here legally um and shoving out the immigrants who did come here legally who work very very hard to be able to come here work raise a family try to buy a house uh it's it it it is also unsustainable we already have somewhere between a 55 billion and 80 billion do budget deficit this year and that doesn't include all the unfunded public employee pension liability which is well over uh one and a half trillion dollars so where's this money gonna come from are we G to be taxing all these illegal immigrants so they can help pay into this yeah it's so interesting I'm glad you brought all that in because let's look at that um in the round like they they don't but it's such a great example of of something that is just characteristic of all of their policy interventions these days which is they're just totally divorced from reality correct they're they're just ideological the Practical stuff just doesn't matter we have a massive deficit as you say so there's no money anyway for this and and so but there expanding it so that means more money and it's for people who actually are again it's not an anti-immigrant thing exactly as you said I'm so glad you said it this is a pro-immigrant thing because you've got a large proportion of people here in California our Workforce and our communities immigrants who've been here for you know decades many of them working incredibly hard and and and and and being absolutely exactly the kind of Americans we want here and many of them have been you know struggling with the bureaucracy of the immigration system to you know make sure that they can get their citizenship and working hard for that and so proud when they get it and you know keep making sure that they do everything right and still because of these you know policies that have made housing so expensive they can't buy a home and then to to be to to sort of look around and see someone who's just come here and and by the way a lot of the new immigrants you're seeing coming across through the open borders that we've had from Cara Harris yeah remember for the last few years they're not even I mean they're they're from China and India and all over the world it's ridiculous yeah it is ridiculous um there is a saying that a city Without Walls is a City without hope and I do feel that we're we're quickly entering that place because not only are we seeing illegal immigrants come from Untold countries around the world we don't know who who they are and our politicians are totally focused on them and not us not our failing schools not our our infrastructure that desperately needs updating these are things that matter um you are we going to have to have some horrible bridge accident before some politician responsible says well I guess you know I guess we just don't have enough funding to fix our bridges it it might not be a very sexy job to repair things in California including you know as I said schools our infrastructure our water system you name it but that's why these people say they're getting elected they say they want to focus on these things and then they PIV it when they're elected to doing garbage like this well this is I mean let's just keep going on this down this track I mean because it's it's so insulting to to the intelligence the way that the way the way that we're doing things so um starting with housing but it's so typical of what happens so the overall story here is that far-left Democrat policies rais the cost of everything yes um and then when they see oh wow there's a problem because everything's too expensive what's the answer more tax increases to have so to give money to people to afford stuff that they've made more expensive through their policies you see this in energy you see it's right across the board so specifically in housing it's their policies that have made housing so expensive in particular SE the California Environmental Quality Act and the way that's being abused to block housing right now in California we have have I mean I've said this many times because we did a lot of work on it for our housing policy report my organization golden together you have over 1 million housing units that have been approved by local councils and local government gone through the all the requirements of local zoning um and and all of that um and are compliant with and and have gone through environmental reviews and at the last minute someone comes in and files a lawsuit to block it and most of these lawsuits and that's why you don't have enough housing it's it's a mismatch of supply and demand that's why the price goes up and um most of the time these lawsuits are filed by the unions the unions and then they and then what do they do they they want project labor agreements they're called and then they'll drop the lawsuit and what do the project labor agreement require either that you only use union workers so that makes the cost more expensive or that you you they call that skilled and trained which means that someone has to have been in a union run apprenticeship scheme and a union member and then they do thing called prevailing wage that's part of a project labor agreement which is way higher and just the last point on this I was in Fresno with house builders I asked them how much um you know I hear it the whole time prevailing wage puts up your costs they gave me a real example of plumbers working on one job that was a market rate job right right there in the Central Valley right and and it was $25 to $40 an hour for the Plumbers the exact same people going to a project labor agreement job that same week 95 to $120 now so like a massive difference so of course that goes onto the price of house so they've done all this themselves there's all Democrat policies prices have gone up what do we do oh let's raise taxes even more so we give people money I mean which of course will make everything worse because when you put taxes up things get even more expensive and this is also the problem with a one party dominated State you know we have a Democrat super majority in our legislature so you don't even get to have these discussions in committee hearings one another you know union-backed Bill comes up um the any any rational discussion about you know we really ought to rethink project labor agreements in California or you know we need to reform squa uh they get kiboshed no discussion um it's just a bulldozer effect in the state so we aren't even having these important discussions about how to fix this stuff instead as I said they're just pivoting to all these giveaways and and it is truly not sustainable and then you look at where the money is going I mean this is the thing that infuriates me when you talk about infrastructure for example uh and these vital things that we need to I mean we have so what what do they say well we need more money for that and so right now in California um we'll do we'll we'll go in detail on it uh nearer the time you've got all these ballot on the ballot in November you've got all these bonds which which bonds is another word for tax increases only worse because you have to pay the interest plus it doesn't even go to the thing that it's supposed to go to because half of it goes to the financial institutions that are setting the whole thing up so it's a scam it's a way of s of pretending you're not raising taxes but you actually are um and you've got bonds state county regional local all up and down the state of California in November and what are these bonds for housing infrastructure schools water you know and you think well hang on a second these are core functions of the government and then look at the budget as you said we have a deficit but then what's happened to the budget in the last 10 years or so it's basically doubled after inflation doubled so where's all the money gone that they now coming for more money for all these things that you would say basically core functions of government it's a total outrage and so I didn't think everyone should be I mean I know that it's weirdly to me I don't understand why it's controversial but you should vote no on all these bonds no no more money you know you've got enough money we have the highest tax in the country what are you doing with the money you don't need any more money from us no and I've been advocating no on every bond for a very very long time as well Steve we've this voters have passed you probably know better than I you know over3 billion dollars in water bonds over the years where's it gone we don't have any more water we don't have any more water infrastructure um and and same I mean you look at school bonds we actually have Republicans in the legisl who supported putting the school bond initiative on the ballot uh and you I think it's terribly misguided this is prop to isn't it just to be precise yeah yeah there was like one Republican who voted against it it's crazy isn't it it is CRA a tax increase for schools when we already pay the highest taxes in the country and schools is like one is is the the education is the number one funding item from the state government so where's the money going well we know the answer to the luxury pensions and healthare for the for the union members who are their donors that's actually the answer and the administrative bloat in the education system yes oh thank goodness you reminded me of that there's an amazing chart that Corey d'angeles put out and I I reposted it just the other day showing the increase in Staffing in the public school system it's just so over the last 10 years it's so shocking but I guess unsurprising where basically student numbers are pretty much flat teacher numbers are pretty much flat administrators a line going straight up it's out outrageous in my family we uh experienced that that my husband and son went to the same high school when my husband went this there there was a principal a vice principal a school nurse a couple of counselors a full-time librarian they even had their own cook in the kitchen when my son went there you know decades later there was a principal seven Vice principls and all of their administrative staff no school nurse a part-time librarian and food was being brought in from Taco Bell oh my goodness what a I mean horrifying but great story and the school ran far more effectively my husband said when he was a kid in high school than it than it does today of course yeah I mean it's just a I mean you know Stanford University more administrat I know it's a private Unity but more administrators than undergraduate students why what what's that about it's insane exactly that's been the Trad trajectory in our state is this unbelievable administrative bloat as well as nonprofit NGO bloat which our state is sending tons and tons of money to it's just everywhere this bloat and you see it like and I think I mentioned this before when I was talking about our water policy document that's the last policy document we published at Golden together we've got a new one coming out on energy very soon um they really go together those two topics actually but the document is called water abundance and it's full of you know very concrete proposals for you know building more water storage and desalination and all these specific things that will increase the supply of water in California um as opposed to the current plans of the Democrats in charge which is which will actually result in reducing the supply unbelievably reducing the supply of water in California in the course of putting this together I came across I some clip of Gavin some talking about his water plan so I thought well I'd better read his water plan you know I want to be fair my Ed and you know if they're doing the right things I want to acknowledge that and if they're proposing things that we agree with and they're in train then you know we should say so you know so I I wanted to be accurate so I read I read the document it's like 270 Pages or something and I was just going through it re and just reading and you know there's an introduction and you expect the introduction to be slightly kind of high futin and fancy flowery phrases and it's just you know setting the scene but once we get to the chapter well that's when you'll see the real proposals so I go to chapter one and and then you get to the end of that nothing and then you go and you keep going you keep going like basically the entire docu like I don't know page 180 or something I finally found a little table like a third of the page which had a little summary of some footling tiny projects that would barely make any difference in terms of the actual amount of water that was it and you think this entire 200 plus page document so what is in it absolute nonsense you know just the everything you're talking about so it's stakeholder this and sustainability that Equity task forces working with partners and stakeholders in dialogue to do this and they that and this oh my goodness just non-stop BS right but that's the bloat right there because it's all these people you know doing all this stuff that doesn't do anything productive it's just talk and then you think well that's the water document and you just think about every other policy area that you I haven't seen yet and just replicate it across government and that's what's happened this this the bloat the bloat is the word and you go to Sacramento and you see it just this enormous expansion of the government without any um benefit directly to people yeah without any Improvement in quality of life in fact the opposite has happened the quality of Our Lives has taken a deep dive in California next topic and again I want to relate it to the to the National political conversation because this is about crime and carela Harrison so she keeps going about how she's you know the the the great crime fighting deer now when it's convenient by the way you know four years ago with George Floyd she was doing the exact opposite and she was for defunding the police and all than you know helping bail out riers who then committed murder and so on but now she's back to being tough of course that shows that she can't be trusted and she's a completely weak unprincipled machine politician who will say anything and do anything where that's that's kind of you know politically expedient so that's the sort of separate topic I've spoken about that before but specifically on crime just remind everyone um I mean we've had some really good conversations recently with Jennifer horn and Jen van la about specific detail so I don't want to repeat all that people can find those conversations on our previous shows about the specific things like covering up child sexual abuse and having 1500 cases overturned when she was San Francisco da because of her managerial incompetence and um an illegal immigrant murderer his crime his murder being downgraded to a misdemeanor so this guy gets 45 days in so we've been through all of that I want you to focus on what we haven't done actually is the big picture crime stuff her record um and what it says about what we can expect Nationwide from carel Harris specifically in her role as state AG yeah as as California's attorney general she was a nightmare uh she not only wrote The Ballot title and summary for proposition 47 which you have covered quite extensively and that was the one that essentially just made so many felony crimes knocked them down to misdemeanors and the list is long and that's partly what opened up this unbelievable retail theft issue we have in California she also did it for proposition 57 and prop 57 came along two years after Prop 47 again titled it the public safety and Rehabilitation Act which was unbelievable uh it was sponsored by Governor Jerry Brown and billionaire George Soros but what it did was allowed yeah non quote nonviolent felons to qualify for early release so California's parole boards have been very very busy first they reclassified these felons as nonviolent and let me tell you what some of these nonviolent crimes are human trafficking of a child rape of an unconscious person or by intoxication driveby shooting isn't that nice assault with a firearm or deadly weapon assault on a police officer serial arson exploding a bomb to injure people is now considered a nonviolent crime in California solicitation to commit murder assault from a caregiver to a child under eight years old that could result in coma or death um and felony domestic violence under Camala Harris's World these are nonviolent crimes and that is what she will bring for uh what she's proposing for the rest of the country obviously wow Katie thank you you really nailed that I mean that is what the country needs to know I didn't know I knew the broad outline of that I didn't know this that specific very comprehensive list it's hor I mean you're saying that I mean domestic violence I mean the name of the crime has violence in it what are you talking about that that's not a violent crime and by the way you're you're standing there as the great champion of women exactly and you know rape of a rape uh sexual abuse of a child I mean I do not understand how anybody can look at Camala Harris knowing that those are the things she wrote essentially into proposition 57 and says yeah we need more of that in this country so did prop 57 specifically list these crimes or was it left up to some commission after it was passed how did it work well the way same with 47 um what they did did is they specifically if you will um either reclassified them legally in in our um penal code um or bumped them down to misdemeanors which meant they aren't prosecutable and specifically on 57 that was about reducing the jail population yes exactly which has been going on since Gavin Newsome's been governor and this was about um was was 57 both retrospective and forward-looking in the sense of you know people currently in jail for some of these crimes that were then downgraded could qualify for early release plus yes people who commit these crimes in the future and you know the the prospective sentence is reduced is and is that the idea yes and that is what's been going on I've talked to District Attorneys all over the state who've had to um try to if you will retry these cases if this criminal and and the crime he committed was heinous enough and they don't have the fund they you know again this is the the people who wrote Prop 47 and 57 knew what the results would be and they've really tied the hands of our district attorneys and unfortunately uh a lot of these once heinous felons are now out to reoffend no doubt many of them because because I mean the rehab she says Public Safety and Rehabilitation right terrible at Rehabilitation I mean we've also been working on a crime document which we which will be releasing in the near future golden together and actually if you I mean to be fair we're not the worst on Rehabilitation but we're a long way from being the best and we're way below um what you see in other countries and many other states in America and given that we're such a large state with such a large population actually a small percentage change in Rehabilitation and and reduction in recidivism repeat offending has a huge effect on crime and so but but actually it's got worse the rehabilitation's got worse it's not got better and and now they're releasing these people do do you think that um I mean it's interesting Prop 47 is now being addressed with prop 36 this year yes reforms it and deals with with some of the most egregious affronts to kind of civilized Norms like the idea that you can just you know um steal up to $950 worth of stuff per store per day that's being addressed is anything happening on 57 I mean I'm just thinking that you know like presumably this is I hadn't quite made the connection but this is what Shannon Grove's work to to through the legislature which she's been on this show many times to talk about to to upgrade sex child sex trafficking to a serious and violent crime so that was correcting that specific part of of prop 57 is that right yes and before her um then Senator Melissa Melendez made numerous attempts to try to um you know overturn certain parts of prop 57 they always got killed in the in the legislature if they were ever heard it's really unbelievable it is I'm so I'm so happy that we we we have you here today to help explain it because this is what people need to understand that all this rhetoric all this stuff it's just absolute rubbish when you look at the record on crime it is just a total disaster yeah it is it is a total disaster Steve um the props 36 we we kind of jokingly say uh needs to be passed so that we can make crime Al again in California and it it sounds flippant but it's not because essentially what did happen with those two ballot initiatives is they just set out the path for the destruction of particularly our big cities what's even more interesting is after Prop 47 was passed very very quickly the California legislature passed a bill by a former assemblyman from Sacramento that I knew um to then uh redefine the word recidivism because what was happening is when you kind of decriminalize crimes like Ser you know like theft and it's happening constantly um and and even people were getting picked up for them uh you know if if it was over $950 and they would have it happen again and again and again well we can't have recidivist serial thieves in our state Steve so we redefined the word recidivism to to what what was the change like the um oh it was it was almost a a Camala Harris type of word salad but it it it essentially just it it took what the word recidivism means these repeat criminals and completely made nonsense out of it and when was that what was that bill that um I will have to get back to you on that I wrote about it it was like in 2015 or 16 at the time yes there's been a lot of nonsense and Madness and extremism that you've been covering can imagine it's all you know um I'd love that I think that's really interesting and it shows you how far back it goes and then the other point that that you know let's end on this one is that even if you could say or someone a Critic might say yeah whatever you know actually Kam Harris might believe in all might have done all these things but but if she were president she wouldn't be setting criminal justice policy in sentencing and all this kind of stuff nawi because that's not how the system works okay maybe but what it tells you is you know who she really is what her instincts are that it informs us about what she would be like in the office that she now seeks Katie thank you so much for for joining us today for being so clear about all this stuff um but also for you know more importantly because you do this every day um through California Globe just keeping them um keeping them accountable um tell everyone where they can follow you and California Globe thanks Steve uh we are californ globe.com we have no pay wall so anybody can look at us every single day or five times a day and I send out one newsletter a week on a Friday with all of kind of the top headlines during the week so if you miss us during the week you'll get it on Friday morning and your social media my social media I am Katy citizen on X Twitter Katie Grimes on Facebook Katie Grimes where am I I'm at truth social also wonderful thank you Katie great to see you we'll see you soon thank you Steve all right joining us for candidate Corner today um the man in the spotlight for what I think is going to be on the uh night of the election this year obviously the presidential election is going to take all the headlines but honestly one of the most important and most significant races in the entire country right here in California in Los Angeles the race for district attorney because this will be the moment when I think many of us not just here in California but around the country are looking for a massive repudiation of the far-left extremist proc crime policies embodied by George gascon and the man running to defeat him is with us today Nathan hogman how are you doing great thanks thanks for having me on Steve of course anytime it's it's a great pleasure um we've been with you from the start um there's been a couple of really big pieces of news in your campaign um just recently and I want to start with those the first uh gave a lot of excitement to to many of your supporters uh which was is it true it was a a poll that showed you far ahead but was it leaked or the LA Times wasn't going to publish it or there was some something interesting about the poll itself and sorry before we get to that the second the second big story um which you know some of your rep supporters on the Republican side less excited about and I want to give you a chance to talk about it which was um your endorsement in the presidential race but let's start with that poll what's the story there so the poll actually was a Los Angeles Times poll in connection with UC California Berkeley uh the interesting thing about the LA Times is that the LA times has not written a critical editorial about gason in three and a half years so when I heard a poll was coming out I figured that poll would somehow be shaded to show that Gaston was doing better than anything that's ever been reported but sure enough even the LA Times had to report the truth and the truth is that right now I have a 25.1 lead according to the LA times and I by the way I tell the team treat that as we're 25 points down not up because we got to keep the pedal to the floorboard all the way to November 5th what was interesting in the polls it showed a couple other things it showed that gas gon's unfavorability ratings are skyrocketing almost two to one and that there's only really 5% of people in Los Angeles County that thinks he's doing a good job and if you had to ask me who that 5% is well there's the criminals of course who I think uh if they don't vote for gascone they're not voting their interest and not a whole lot of other people maybe other than the deputy public defenders that he's brought in toh supervise prosecutors in the DA's office I'm sure they're voting for him but I don't even know who the rest of those 5% would be that's a really so 20 that's a big big lead I mean I totally agree with you you mustn't be complacent um but that is very very encouraging um and I have to say just in terms of how the campaign's going it seems to me I mean I follow it very closely and and um and and share all the uh the news from the campaign that you put out and and your messages which are so strong and clear you seem to be getting a really interesting um and significant range of endorsements and and that's true I mean the we have gotten bipartisan endorsements which just crucial because quite candidly if you want to win in LA county you got to get Republicans but you also need to get Independents you need Democrats you need black white Latino Asian pretty much every religious group in the entire County which is 4,000 square miles and if it was its own state in the United States it would be probably the 11th biggest so you got to get that full range of support we've gotten over 70 elected city leaders in the 88 cities half Democrats half Republicans I've got all my opponents that have endorsed and almost all of them are Democrats and three of them actually work for gascon I got the former Democratic da Jackie Lacy first African-American woman to hold the position she's endorsed me Max and Rory Kennedy two of Robert F Kennedy's 11 children they've endorsed me I've got the endorsements of someone like Rick Caruso you know amongst the the Civic leaders in Los Angeles who originally actually endorsed George gascon in 2020 has now said look that social experiment has failed and he's strongly endorsed me in this race and then coupled with all that I'll just give you one last endorsement First Responders I've got the firefighters I've got the police unions I've got um the lifeguards I've got the uh prison guards interestingly in my one of my favorite uh uh recent endorsements is the San Francisco Police Officers Association wow they actually contacted me because they wanted to endorse me and send a message to the people of Los Angeles the gascan destroyed San Francisco while he was up there and please God don't vote for him again to destroy Los Angeles that's a really big one I hadn't actually spotted that one so I of course because they know him because he was in the B he was in San Francisco first that's where when Gavin yum appointed him right that was the sequence wasn't it so the sequence for George gascon he actually starts out as an LAPD cop eventually becomes the police chief in Mesa Arizona then Gavin Nome when Gavin Newsome was the mayor of San Francisco uh plucks him out when when kamla Harris becomes well first he's he's plucked out as the the police chief of San Francisco when KL Harris becomes the Attorney General he Mak gasan the district attorney which is her former position in San Francisco and then when it looks like he's going to lose his re-election bid in San Francisco lo and behold he comes down to Los Angeles just as the George Floyd situation the defund the police the protests and riots in the streets are happening people weren't paying attention to what he did in San Francisco voted for him in Los Angeles and we've been living that safety nightmare ever since so just a couple of things first of all it's amaz I can't believe that Rick Caruso endorsed gascon that's an amazing I I didn't realize that um law enfor before we get to law enforcement um there were some interesting endorsements from outside the county you mentioned San Francisco wasn't there a DA somewhere and you've got a range of you know across the state now people backing you yeah we've got actually 14 current uh or former Das from across the state uh a lot of the local ones we have the Riverside da Mike hestrin we have the San Diego Da Summer stefin we got um burn County uh we've got San Louis abiso then we picked up Santa Clara County that's a guy named Jeff Rosen Jeff Rosen is sort of a left of center Democrat you know he's someone who emphasizes uh Criminal Justice Reform as much as he has emphasized safety he was actually one of the co-authors of proposition 47 yet he has looked at George gascon and he said even know you know George gascon was his fellow co-author George Gaston's policies have not emphasized safety at all so unlike Santa Clara County that's been able to sort of strike that balance between Community Justice Reform and safety he looks at Los Angeles and said gascan has missed the balance his his policies have alienated his own prosecutors alienated law enforcement he's no longer the champion of victims he's basically completely failed so Jeff Rosen came down to Los Angeles and right in front of George gon's Office right there in Downtown LA he proudly endorsed myself yeah that that was the one I was thinking of that was really interesting to me and then and then finally on the endorsements front so law enforcement in Los Angeles that are they behind you how I mean I've been seeing different different groups and associations just tell us about that so we have we have uh accumulated every Police Officers Association we've got the the Statewide porak we have the police Protective League uh we have aads from the sheriff's department uh you know basically and then all the police officers associations in the 88 cities we we've gotten everyone that's endorsed so George gasull again who is a former police officer has so alienated law enforcement that he has received none of their endorsements they understand the threat he is to Public Safety and when they see myself in my 34 years of Criminal Justice experience having done hundreds of cases as a prosecutor and a defense attorney they said look Nathan Hawkman can get that job done he wants to be a partner again with law enforcement we're going to support him I mean it's it's it's absolutely stunning but but I'm so you know pleased to see it and and it's in a way it's really encouraging because it shows you that with all our you know the nonsense in politics and the media and all the rest of it the truth does matter and results do matter and serious people in these serious roles that we will rely on in law enforcement whatever look at the facts and and the results and they make a judgment based on that and and as you say on people's experience and they and the principles that they're running on so I think it's it's really it's very you know some people can I know in politics there's a kind of view that maybe endorsements don't matter as as much as they do and and perhaps that's true in more partisan political races but in something like this where it's really about professional judgment and and it's a more independent role I think that it's really significant that you're getting all these endorsements and he's getting none well and I thank you I think that's absolutely right you know what what the endorsers have said we're talking endorsers from literally the far left to the far right and everything in between they've all said this is not about politics the DA's job is not about politics that voters should decide who they want as their da based on experience and I've got 34 years he's got zero personal experience based on a track record his track record record is a record of Public Safety failure where violent crimes property crimes hate crimes fentol po poisoning shoplifting or either up double digits or triple digits over the last four years and basically a game plan to go forward and I've got a blueprint for jusis that shows how I will restore safety while also in instituting real and effective criminal justice reforms in the same breath you know it's interesting you know the gason isn't running on his experience he's not running on his record so what he has tried to do is politicize the race he has said and repeats every single day and this race is about only one thing that it's a Democrat versus a former Republican and I've answered that question repeatedly uh as you know I have Steve by saying the following I say first look look at our political Journeys I was a Democrat for 20 years I was a republican for 20 years I'm now an independent running for a nonpartisan position where where party affiliation not even on the ballot and you actually want your da to be independent of politics deciding questions on the facts and the law gascon was a republican for over 30 years before he became a Democrat for 13 years so when he says that you know he is the uh when he says it's a Democrat versus a former Republican I guess he's referring to me as the Democrat because I've been a democrat in my life almost twice as long as him and maybe he's the former Republican because uh he's been a a republican in his life more than twice as long as I am which is just it shows the idiocy of the argument it just makes me laugh because the the way they throw some of this language on has he called you a Maga Republican yet Ultra Ultra Mega I've heard Ultra right uh I've heard trumpin I've heard um uh Trump loving Republican uh again my record is is very public at this point I've never voted for Donald Trump in 2016 2020 I won't be voting in for him in 24 I've said before I'm going to vote and report in the past it was President Biden now it's vice president Harris and and I've said in the same breath look I've been pro-choice my whole life but I've been strong when it comes to the Border I'm strong when it comes to law enforcement and backing law enforcement I'm strong when it comes to putting victim's rights ahead of criminals rights and there's a lot of Democrats that I talk to that look at those policy positions Steve and they say look we I don't agree with any of those policy positions but when I explain to them George gascon when I explain what he has done to La's safety and what I will do to restore it they say okay we might not agree on certain things but we're going to agree on Chon has to go and I say the same thing to Republicans that we might not agree and won't agree on the presidential choice but when it comes to what gascon has done to destroy our Public Safety and what I can do to restore it I'm in locked step with those Republicans and so I have to get as you know uh the majority of the voters in Los Angeles County a Republicans represent roughly 18% of the vote Democrats are close to 50% the rest are independent and my appeal is an appeal to safety and who will keep each one each person and their family safe over the next four years just a little bit more on the politics first of all an observation uh the way they throw around this this Maga label is just so hysterical there was a event I think it was yesterday in Sacramento or it was the is the campaign against prop 36 so prop 36 is I'm sure many of our audience uh knows is most of our audience knows is um the initiative that's on the ballot in November to reform Prop 47 which has been at the heart of some of the you know the explosion in retail theft and so on so we don't need to go on about that but the people doing this event in Sacramento I think it was a Democrat State Legislature was calling those who are for prop 36 Maga Republicans and they want they they want to make America white again What's the phrase I think Shock by the way to London breed London breed exactly the black female not white yeah exactly the black female Democrat mayor of San Francisco who's now a sort of racist white supremacist magga Republic it's so hilarious it really is you know and I'm a big supporter of Proposition 36 that's a perfect example when you can't argue the merits because Proposition 36 makes sense on the merits you try to basically distract people and say somehow that this is about politics and not about safety a same thing that gascan is doing in my race he's trying to distract voters he's saying okay V let's let's politicize this race and get and make this a mini vote on who's President as opposed to a focus on who's going to keep people safe because he knows that he has failed in that regard uh and I won't so on the so I did see there and you know know you're wherever and you been you know very direct on this I should say and very accountable and you've gone into the lion's den let's put it that way of people who really have been um annoyed with you about the endorsement of carala Harris um friends of mine as well and and guests on this show and so on um and I just want you to talk about that a little bit because the the because the question was well why couldn't you just stay out of it given that your focus is on being independent and so on just stay out of the presidential race and then the second thing was the reason that you gave for supporting carel Harris was particularly this point about you know you the language that used in relation to Donald Trump being a convicted felon which a lot of Republicans feel is really a bogus argument on the grounds that the cases themselves brought by da Bragg should never have been brought Etc so if you could just respond to those two points certainly so you're right I where I I I've said publicly on ABC TV and Fox 11 uh here in Los Angeles uh my positions my position originally uh was respond responding to a series of questions of gason saying this is a race between a Democrat and basically a trump Republican uh and I responded to that you know had I my response was basically this race has nothing to do with politics and I want to take politics out of the DA's office but I wasn't not going to answer the question and let him answer the question for me so I answered it and that was the answer dealing with uh the fact I had not voted for was not going to vote for president Trump and I was going to vote and support President Biden and I said it four months ago so the question came up again in the Fox 11 interview and again the you know in some ways the the most convenient thing to do the the most evasive thing to do would have been for me to say oh I'm not going to answer this question and just let people assume whatever they wanted to assume I'm not going to do that you know and I'm not saying that my answer didn't dispase a whole lot of people it did and would it have been more convenient for me not to answer sure but I basically had to the question was asked I needed to answer the question rather than be invasive and I continued I said' look I basically had vot said I was going to vote for and support the Biden Harris ticket Biden's no longer on the ticket I'm supporting Harris and as far as the reason I gave for it look I expressed the reason that I am running uh as a prosecutor uh she is a former prosecutor now I know at some points in her career she actually tries to distance herself from from being a prosecutor but and I'm sure you've researched this the reason that the death penalty is still on the books in California is that when kamla Harris was the attorney general and it got successfully challenged down below she actually appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court got that decision reversed which is why we still have the death penalty on the books in California it almost contradicts the other position she has taken about not enforcing the death penalty but again there there's certain you know she's got another program out there dealing with chronic truancy where she actually helped pass a law that says that Das can work with school districts and the parents to make sure that chronically truing kids actually show up to school yeah and and viewing the fact that you know High School dropouts constitute over 90% of either victims or perpetrators of crime that you got to get kids in school at that level I I support the parts where she was actually acting as an effective prosecutor here and to the extent that she hasn't well you know that's the uh the other side of the coin what about the convicted felon Point could you just address that certainly as I might have discussed with you before Steve there's a should aspect and a could aspect of that case you know if you make the decision that you should bring the case the question is was there enough evidence to actually convict him you know a judge looked at it a jury looked at it eventually appell courts will look at it as well but I I saw as the media reported the evidence then there was evidence to sustain the charges that's a different question that whether or not you should have brought the case in the first place I mean they're dealing with a situation uh where that case was actually not brought by the US attorney's office in the southern district of New York I don't believe the case was brought by the Federal Election Commission but the district attorney of New York City decides to bring that case you know that becomes a very relevant should question in the first place different from the could question look I I I think for me you've done a great job of going out there and making these arguments and I as as you said I know that um there are some Republicans who just you know aren't happy with it but they're even less happy with George gascon let's put it that way and in the end that is the choice in this election um one thing that's very important that you've you've you've cleared up because I did see some speculation around the time that this was all being discussed um there was also some speculation that actually you w in favor of prop 36 and you've made it clear that you are so oh yeah we have uh on social media we probably put out at this point almost dozens of posts backing proposition 40 36 yeah and laying out all the reasons by the way in detail why Proposition 36 while not a full fix of proposition 47 uh will certainly help uh Das and I'm hoping to be one of them go after repeat offenders and fent andol dealers very aggressively exactly so let's let's let's finish with um what I touched on earlier the way you you put it I thought was really interesting and i' love you just to to give some um specifics on you know the changes that you would make because another thing that I've said about your race compared to most is that you'll see really quick changes because you're going into an office and we've had this conversation before and you've explained about you know what what gason did and the way he went in there and you know just just you know on day one this whole kind of new set of policies that were going to be implemented and he was instructing his office to do and in terms of the charges that going to be brought and and and the enhancements and all those kinds of things and they would you know he made those negative changes overnight you could make positive changes pretty much overnight um with a new set of policies plus you'll have the support of the department whereas he he's done this in the teeth of the opposition of his Department which is why whatever that you know 90 odd percent of people in the department voted to recall him um so tell me about how you see it and the and the specific changes you're going to bring in that framework that you laid out this combination of of Public Safety but also the kinds of reforms that we want for a fair system certainly and let me show you that on day one the type of changes I will make so we have right now blanket policies that say that if you're under 18 a juvenile and you still just under 950 which is a misdemeanor the DA's office will not prosecute you I will eliminate the blanket policy and go back to the policy of discretion we will look at each case individually look at the defendant the defendant's background the crime committed and the impact on the victim to determine if that person deserves to be in jail or if they're let's say a firsttime non-violent offender they should serve their their debt to society which is crucial I'm not going to pretend they didn't commit a crime if they did but the punishment may very well be community service restitution pay the money back if you stole something or if you have a serious mental illness or a drug addiction go through a rigorous 18-month rehab program and if you can get through it we'll call that diversion and we'll wipe your record clean so that is the type of balanced approach that I would bring back eliminating and getting rid of his extreme pro-criminal policies not substituting them with mass incarceration policies but policies I call the hard middle they're right in the middle and they require you to do the hard work of looking at each case individually and along the line we will also focus on violent crimes Gaston has said that he won't apply the gun enhancement if you use a gun during a violent crime we'll get rid of that blanket policy and bring back the discretion for that same thing with the gang enhancement right now if you're a member of a gang it's your golden age because gascon has not applied the gang enhancement no matter how violent the crime is committed by a gang member will allow that enhancement to be applied again same thing with the three strikes law if someone is a third strike offender which means you are the worst of the worst offenders in our system we will once again allow prosecutors to use their discretion to charge those strikes were appropriate and when it comes to victims we're going to go back to allowing prosecutors to go with victims to parole hearings right now gascon has prohibited prosecutors to go with victim Ames who have a relative that's been murdered when they're confronting the murderer at a parole hearing that's an obscene tragic policy that I would absolutely reverse on day one so we can do a lot of productive moves on day one to restore safety balance and and and Institute reform all on that same day yeah it's great I mean this is and that really is day one I mean just to be clear and underline this you you're running you know when you're elected as we hope you will be you're running the department you're the CEO of the department that's correct isn't it that you don't need the permission of the Board of Supervisors for the county or anyone in the state legislature or or executive government in California you can just make this happen you're absolutely right the The Da is effectively a governing body of one you take no orders from the the governor the Attorney General the mayor the city council the Board of Supervisors the sheriff or the police chief Gaston showed us it on his day one I will then restore safety as you say with the with the support of law enforcement with the support of my own prosecutors with the support of victims groups and we'll do it all on day one it's really excit honestly I'm I'm very ex every time I talk to you I just get very excited because it's not often in politics that you get that kind of ability to to make change happen quickly in such an important um and high-profile way as you will have in the biggest County in the nation that is just a symbol of the destructiveness of this farle policy on crime one thing that we haven't mentioned is bail and cash bail and all of that could you talk about that certainly so what happened in the old system is we had a cash bail system that was pretty rigid it was almost like a git if you committed a certain crime and translated into a certain amount of bail if you could make that bail you got to if you didn't you would stay in jail but what ultimately happened is that there were situations where that bail was actually too low if you turned out to be like a Serial crook um and you just happen to have committed this one low-level offense and you got the bail set for the low-level offense you should probably have a much higher bail on the flip side if you were a firsttime person with a good job and you know and a home and a residence and a supportive family maybe that bail amount was too high to make sure that you show up for your future Court appearances and don't commit criminal acts so what happened is they got rid of the whole cash Bill and they substituted it with gon's zero Bill policy now you got the flip side the problems we used to have now you get really violent offenders who are getting arrested in the morning and they're out by the afternoon uh and creating havoc in the system you know such that you know whether it's a victim store owner who actually is thrilled at the person who robbed their store finally got arrested only to see them back in their store in the afternoon it sends a really bad message to the entire criminal justice system when when someone who can perpetrate crimes and often more than once uh doesn't seem to be receiving Justice in the system so what we would substitute it with is bring a judge in very early 247 in the process how that judge assess risks the risk of basically committing more crimes the risk of showing up assess the Institute the bail amount that's proportional to the risk and hopefully with the input of both the District Attorney's office and the defense counsil calibrate a baill that actually works again it's very sensible um and you know really appeals to me because you know there's a big theme of my work in policy over the years is that I mean I wrote a book called more human and one of the one of the themes was that we got to get away from these kind of bureaucratized systems where um it's all rules and so on and actually judge things on an individual basis and and bring back discretion and that's really what you're talking about here in all all aspects of the system just on on this baale point um was that the issue with that you know that incredibly high-profile and appalling murder Jacqueline Avon you know a lot of people really you know that was the moment when I thought what is going on that killer what was that what issue was that was that was something to do with one of gon's policies wasn't it that was that that killer was out on parole had violated the parole had not had the parole revoked or put on bail or a high enough bail commensurate with the fact that that killer had actually committed additional offenses and thereby was out that night at about two :3 in the morning uh robbing uh Jackie Avon's house and when she came down shot her dead with an AR-15 same thing by the way with the killer of the of the young woman uh at a furniture store in LaBrea you know that's another situation a guy with a 10 year he's actually up for trial right now a guy with a 10-year record of violence and various type of offenses across the United States should have been in jail but he wasn't because of Gaston's policies and sadly was in the furniture store that day to stab that poor young woman 26 times so again gon's policies have resulted in real real life Horrors and tragedies by the way most recently and I'm sure you read about it was the poor New Zealand couple down in Newport Beach you know another situation where the guy who run over the woman Patricia McKay should never have been the car that day because a year before he was on the Santa Monica Third Street parade put a gun to a guy's head to get his Rolex left his DNA on the victim they had the guy dead to right yet because of Gaston's lenient policies they pled that case down to a probation case the guy was basically a third Striker but they put it down to a probation case the guy got off and sure enough he's driving the car that runs over that poor woman on Fashion Island at Newport Beach unbelievable awful but you know a reminder that you know these these are very consequential choices um when they come and vote in this da election and and the changes could be very rapid and very significant one last question then an observation then we'll wrap it up um George Soros um very much associated with gason and that whole movement um is he or the whoever's taken over the younger guy is Alex is is is is gascon still Soros backed in that famous phrase so yes he is now whether or not Soros whether it's Alex or George actually puts the money in along with all of soros's friends who put about $7 million into the 2020 race remains to be seen one of the things we have done is we've tried to build up our lead so big whether that lead is with polling and we're right now according to the LA Times Up by 25 points whether it's by fundraising we we have about a million eight at this point we think gascon has about $200,000 whether it's by endorsements We have basically all the key endorsements throughout LA County so we're hoping to run that lead up as as high and far as we can to convince Soros not to com in the race but we have modeled the race as if he's coming in big with millions of dollars and we're going to be ready to to meet those millions of dollars dollar for dollar if not exceed it it's it's amazing that they're not more embarrassed about what they've done um but there you are uh final Point um I'll make an observation then you can respond and and then we'll we'll leave it there Nathan it's not just the changes in terms of what goes on in the courtroom Courthouse um it's the impact on the police and their behavior because one of the things you know we use of course the phrase defund the police has become so well known um and regardless of whether that actually happened and there's arguments about that what certainly happened through all this far-left nonsense is the demoralization of the police where they just think well why bother you know why should I bother putting my safety at risk my life on the line to pursue criminals if when you know finally make an arrest and nothing's going to happen or something or the the guy's going to be out in the afternoon Etc so if they know so it won't it'll be a a sort of exponential impact I guess is what I'm saying because it'll be Amplified throughout the police department because suddenly they'll have someone who's actually you know working with them and supporting them rather than um undermining them you know you're absolutely right right now the LAPD is down a thousand officers officers over a thousand officers the sheriff's department is down over a th deputies and part of the reason that they're down so many uh Law Enforcement Officers is who would want to work in Los Angeles County I mean it's already an incredibly dangerous job it's difficult it's expensive to live here and where the da doesn't have your back in other words you're going to bring the da good cases and the da is going to decline it not because of the facts of the law but because of his own political agenda that's what gascon has done and then the is more interested in Prosecuting you than partnering with you you know where's the sense in that what I have said to law enforcement again I'm the co-founder of the LA Sheriff Foundation is I said that for the the overwhelming number of officers that are running into the building when the bullets are flying to keep me and my family safe you have my respect my admiration and if I'm the da my partnership and that doesn't mean of course that if an officer crosses the line and commits criminal activity then we're not going to go after it I'll be the first da in history who's actually personally prosecuted a deputy sheriff I did it in the 1990s when we went after 16 of them who are stealing drugs gun and money and money from drug dealers but what I've heard from law enforcement is very instructive they say that no one hates a bad cop more than a good cop and I absolutely believe in that I believe that we will we will resume and I say resume because the DA's office used to be the partner of law enforcement so we'll resume that partnership ship we'll let the criminals know that we're back in business and with any luck the goal is not to fill the prisons to the breaking point in same ways that's the failure of a criminal justice system the goal is to deter them from committing the crimes in the first place by saying here are the laws we're going to consistently fairly and impartially enforce them but there are real consequences if you break them so don't break that and if we have to go back to a year that I'm shooting for it's not the 1960s or 70s it's 2014 10 years ago considered our safest year in the last 50 years because the da was doing her job law enforcement was doing it uh victims knew if you dialed 911 someone would pick up the phone and you could get Justice for the harm you suffered and criminals really understood in that year in record numbers not to commit crimes there you go um very very powerful arguments Nathan um as I said I'm I'm not going to pretend to be at all impartial uh very much uh behind you um hoping that you you you know you continue this very successful campaign right through to the end it's great to see that you're doing so well um hope that continues good to hear that you're not at all complacent you're going to be fighting hard for the next few months uh last point then where can people who want to find out more or get involved and support you where should they go probably the websites that the best portal it's um Nathan Hawkman and Hawkman is ho ch.com uh you can get you can learn the blueprint for justice if you want a lawn sign you can sign up for a lawn sign uh if you have comments uh please leave comments there you know and you can get information to then share on your own social media texts emails because you know it's interesting the one voter I fear Steve in this election is the uninformed voter because I'm absolutely convinced that if I can get information about gon's failures and what I can do to fix the the situation to a voter I'll win that voter 10 out of 10 times but if that voter doesn't know anything about this race and gets to the uh the ballot and to coin flip well that's a 50-50 proposition so if people will take the time to learn more about this race and then as importantly vote and spread the message that's how we're going to win on November 5th very important Point um I encourage everyone to do that tell your friends um thank you Nathan very much for being with us today um I hope we see you again before before uh the election is out thank you great to see you thanks again okay so here's a story that just made there's a very cliched phrase by the way in in English maybe this is one of those phrases that doesn't really translate across the Atlantic I'm going to say anyway uh made my blood boil I don't know if that's something that uh it said frequently here in America it definitely made my blood boil as um as the English say when I saw this story which is someone I know personally um Kirsty olop she's great she's a TV personality in England she's famous for Home Improvement she's like the Joanna gains of England in a way maybe that's a sort of simple way of thinking about her um she's great and she has a 15-year-old son and her 15-year-old son has a 16-year-old friend and so there's this thing in Europe called inter Rail and it's a rail pass and it allows you to travel on the entire European Railway system for a fixed price for a month it's an amazing thing and I did this myself with a friend and in very similar circumstances I was young for my year and so my friends were all actually a couple of years older than me even three years older in some cases so there was a good friend of mine and we decided to do interrail together and that's what we did and this would have been in the 1980s and I remember I was 14 years old and you may think that's terrible how can you go off a month age 14 well we did um because it was you know that's you know it we didn't have all this kind of crazy bureaucratic anxiety about kids s of walking five minutes down the road on their own you know there was a lot more um you know Humanity about things back then and kids were allowed to be more independent which is good for their development so I did this myself right we went for a month across Europe me and my friend and we had you know all sorts of Adventures and it's like a great experience and by the way this is before cell phones were anything like that so you might say what's the matter with your you know my my mom and stepdad you know letting me go for a month and you couldn't keep in touch and well we just did and that's that's how it was anyway the reason this story resonated with me was that this with the Kirsty alop her 15-year-old son went went inter railing as they say with his 16-year- old friend the next thing she knows she's got someone from her local Council a bureaucrat from her local Council saying that they've opened a child protection case against Her Like She's Some child abuser for her own son and she's just absolutely stunned and horrified like what are you talking about like how dare you and then worse than that when they have the conversation and she tries to explain and they say well maybe it's okay and so on you know we we we're following a tip or something by the way what kind of person you know sends in a kind of message like that and gets the council to Snoop on someone the whole thing is so disgusting anyway then this bureaucrat says oh we're going to keep the file open in case there's future abuse like what are you talking about it is so outrageous it is absolutely sickening that this is what we've got to I mean first of all that just that level of bureaucratic interference in people's lives without any kind of reason is just absolutely Beyond The Pale but also more broadly what it tells us about how how we think about childhood these days there's a fantastic person I've had her on my fox show she's a great great person called Lenor scenesi based in New York and she became a big story here in America when she let her kid who was I think eight I can't remember the exact details make a trip in New York on the subway she gave him some money and so on all this kind of horrific media attention poured down on her she's got America's worst mom and all this kind of stuff just ridiculous we need the job of a parent I've got two sons is to is to help them grow up to be strong and independent not to kind of mollycoddle them and keep them protected forever what the use is that that's where you end up with these people that can't you know support themselves and can't live a proper life and so this is really wrong it's really really wrong this attitude that you can't let kids be independent and do their own thing that's the whole job of parenting to raise strong independent responsible kids that can become flourishing adults that's what Kirsty olop was doing and for her you know doing a good job of being a good parent she gets this bureaucratic Council coming in and opening a child protection case it is absolutely disgusting the reason it's an important story for us here in America is you know perfectly well this is going on in our country here in America too and we've got to fight back against it all right thank you everyone that is our show for today hope you enjoyed it make sure you follow us on Apple uh YouTube Spotify wherever you get your podcast Big Ideas Book Club Great episode this week with Tom Del bakaro about American civilization it's it's rise and very uh sadly it's Decline and what we can learn from that so check out Big Ideas Book Club and we'll see you again here for the next episode of The Steve Hilton show [Music]