if you try to means test this benefit you create various groups who are going to lose out who really need it one is that group who don't claim their benefits and about one in three of all the older people who are entitled to the qualifying benefit haven't got it then as I say there's another group who are just above the line so maybe they're 1520s over the limit every week there's nothing for them and there's a million of those people there's a third group who are older people who are actually very unwell and they need the heating on very high at home or they have to run the washing machine