when the right people come together at the right moment when they care almost as much about winning as they do about each other they can become the best of the [Music] [Applause] [Music] best welcome to the best soccer show the best so in the whole world here we go it's the best soccer show Jason Davis Jared Dubois I'm back we back we back you back we back I back she back mybach mybach we're back we are live on a Thursday evening Jared is this let me ask you a question let me ask I got two questions for you okay actually let me Aquarius I'm not going to and roughly 4 in ah okay that second one that's a little too much information unless you're what is that the size of honest oh wow uh this is the first question do you have any idea I honestly don't know I don't know I'm assuming somewhere in Europe and I'm assuming drinking white wine Alber whoa you think he's a lineman it's summer no he's a man cultured enough to drink with the seasons okay I will say I will say that you you might be correct in most cases however if he is in espa which he might be he's he's an Argentine he speaks the language he might be comfortable there if he is in espia you you drink a hold on hold on you never said espia before you went there why you got to blow up my spot why are you blowing up my spot I'm I'm did you get culturally appropriated while you were there [Laughter] I took some culture and I appropriated it back to the United States of America they didn't check it Customs you're going to say everything with a Calon now okay if he's in espia if he's in if he's in Spain Spain he could be drinking uh Tinto Verano or Tito Deano whatever they call it it's basically like it was kind of amazing to me like you you think I I look everywhere is a little bit more ratchet than you would expect if you dig deep enough or if you look in the right places right like if you go to Italy it's not it's not all Tuscany it's not all Vineyards it's all not all culture a lot of it's Naples okay a lot of it's Naples and in Spain you have what amounts to sort of a soda version of of sangria I mean that's the only way to describe what it is like in various place my wife likes a good sangria she likes a a red sangria and in various place sangria U um daa I think is what it is careful dude that's hangover juice um in various places they would say we don't actually have any sangria here but we do have this this Tinto Verano stuff which is basically like a bottled sangria like a like a plastic like you can buy it in the grocery store kind of but alcoholic Kool-Aid essentially that's so if if Mauricio poino is in Spain espia he could be drinking that right he could be I like this from from Nate in the chat we need the same that tracked B this is what I think is going to happen we are going to see plenty of of flight tracking I mean it today's Thursday the game is two days from now when could be in the US for the game when mopo needs to be in Kansas City if he's if he's going to attend the game I I can't guarantee you he's going to be there is it a is it a honest evaluation of his commitment to this job if he's if he is to judge him by whether or not here for this game if he's serious he's not being paid right contract yet if this is real I mean and I mean from both parties not just from not from just from pochettino's P perspective but from the US perspective this is real and we're not being bullshitted left and right by people that are bullshitting us all over the place then he needs to be in Kansas City and I need to see pictures of him at Joe's buying some burnt things I get it but to see some photos of him at Boulevard drinking some local breus I need to see Ma poino in the American habitat being an American dude that's what I need to see so wait how many jobs did you go to when you weren't getting paid zero jobs but I also wasn't an internationally renowned soccer coach okay so listen why would he show up to something he ain't getting paid to do because they've got burnt ends and and good beer in in Kansas City that's what I'm saying I don't know man I feel like you if you're the contract's not signed negotiations are still happening and I think you give up a bit of your uh your skin in the game if you start showing up to stuff I don't know there's anything left what's left at this point we've been hearing for two weeks this it's on Chelsea's end for sure right this be on Chelsea's end I think it could be on Chelsea's end and it was interesting because somebody in the besti slack but by the way join the patreon patreon.com the best soccer show we're going to deliver you a new bonus episode after tonight's show there's access to the slack the best community in American Soccer Bar None no doubt somebody shared a tweet from one of the outlets here in America America that I don't think needs to be named that it was going to be done tomorrow that they're going to announce it tomorrow and I I was going to bring in some tweets and share all these people who are like it's happening it's happening don't worry it's happening but I don't even know that's necessary I like it doesn't it's not adding anything because we've been hearing this for two weeks so I can either I can either be cynical I can either be I can be um not I I can choose not to ever believe anything that comes out about us soccer remember US soccer is not the one saying we got this done it's reporters who are saying that US soccer got it done oh I mean the US soccer is still saying the search continues they they did say this I know you freaked out about the word search I know you did I don't like it just don't say anything why do you have to say why you putting things out there that it's not done they can't imply that there's a done deal and there's not say nothing they could say nothing but but Mikey bars is not everybody knows like okay it doesn't matter I don't think that's a big deal you thought it was a bigger deal than it actually was I just don't like getting trolled you feel like you're getting trolled little bit I mean like tire is is trolling you now no US soccer is by saying that the search is still on but US soccer never said they had a deal they never said where have to say they could just be quiet about it they don't have to say like Lead You Down create fake fake drama look it's okay it is it is a ask covering 101 you say The Surge continues because you don't actually have the contract and the deal is not done otherwise you would have announced it all over the place yeah so they have to by the way this is a good shout from Connor he needs to be on the chief's Jumbotron that's tonight right when when does that game kick off is it kicking off now I wasn't paying attention Patrick M slinging it around right now um so in in in Native American culture Jared I don't know if you are aware of how that works so he's going to a Native American thing basic he's going to a very American ritual let's just say that Nathan in the chat says Chiefs are playing right now they're playing right now what what do you think do you think first of all do you think wor super Poo's ever watched an NFL game yes yes I think the world's a lot smaller than you think it is and I think people are aware and watch stuff like that yes so okay so you've watched cricket games yes I have watched cricket games I've never watched a cricket game I've watched I've watched a for an American I've watched a I would I would bet I'm in the 75 fifth percentile for for go for like five days those are the test matches that go for multiple days but you can watch 20 which is 20 overs I don't want to get into the intricacies tantri sport cricket is actually badass if you watch the shorter versions and you know what you're looking for I would say that I'll take B putino at a football game just feels out of place though at an NFL football game uh sure I guess I guess you could say that but but then again as you said like if this is real if he's committed and if US soccer is actually if we do we are to believe that this is happening then he should be in Kansas City right he should be even Incognito what if he what if he was like Car San Diego you're a fan what's what in San Diego what if he was like Carmen San Diego and he was Incognito and he was like on the low while he was in in Kansas City I don't know if I'm a handsome man like him I'm not trying to hide anything I put up that graphic you got the graphic for today's show right there I I don't have it I don't have it ready I should graic thumbnail for the show tonight that's a handsome picture you put you picked up that's the that's his official Tottenham picture that I repurpose but since you're you're a big fan of him working off the clock without him even having the job so do you believe that he actually had a hand in this roster that was picked man um no no I don't think so I I don't I don't I don't think so I mean this roster was always going to be weird and uncomfortable and and kind of dumb in the first place yeah and you know Weston McKenna I get why he's not here but it's annoying Tyler is hurt Anthony Robinson's got a recover isn't Tyler Adams when we first heard about wasn't his projected for like mid October is that what it was I believe Jared if you told me that Tyler Adams was supposed to come back next March I'd be like yeah that sounds about right I have I have no idea at this point why would I name right I appreciate it why would I I always get your name right why would I register anything about Tyler Adams return date because it every time I think I I should be expecting him back it gets knocked back it's like Game of Thrones next book you know just like not sure if it's ever truly going to get it come out you you don't well yeah you don't know if we're going to get it satisfactory ending we you don't know if we're actually going to see that player back on the field doing what he's supposed to be doing I mean Tyler Adams is Lucy with the football for American soccer fans that's that's a little bit like that a little bit like that so so no Tyler no Weston no Jedi Robinson we've got injuries in a couple of places right cam Carter I'm sorry hold on my bad Cameron K is not available properly he's not properly available so do we have to say Austin trusty's name differently now too if they're both Canna be on on Celtic no we just say Kam Vick is because he was raised in England and and but Austin trusty is that dude's from Pennsylvania isn't that a downgrade going from is it Birmingham is that where he was at it was Birmingham right I off he was on loan at he was no he was at um Austin trusty you're killing me right now Sheffield United yes but isn't it a downgrade going to Celtic yes and also no because that's what Celtic is it's not like he was poor on his lone spell either Celtic is like H how would I describe this um I I I don't know quite how to describe because yes playing at Celtic week to week is a downgrade but Celtics in the Champions leag and Sheffield United is not man I don't know man that's like we we could have we could have and there's eight games they're guaranteed the eight games in the in the Champions League now right okay we could have two Americans starting in central defense for a Champions League team in in eight different games this season and still lose to Costa Rica I mean yeah that Celtic is also probably not going to advance very far in the Champions League all right you know I listen I'm happy he's getting minutes but I really thought Austin trusty's level was higher than this but maybe you go where you know you're going to get the minutes you're going to get the exposure he's still young what 23 maybe for Austin trustee no he's 25 I think at this point 25 you think he's at Old that point did you see yeah did you see that um I'm I'm connected to him on LinkedIn and that he is he's 26 I'm connected 26 he's 26 I'm connected to Austin trusty on LinkedIn and I was very happy to see him announce his new position at Celtic Football Club on his LinkedIn page so you had the whole the whole the whole uh you know confetti and everything he was he did that himself or there's someone like like in his Man team that I think he's exactly the kind of dude that would do that himself like I think Austin truste at the age of 26 is yes a professional footballer but also that's the kind of guy that's thinking what am I going to be after I'm done what what business am I starting what connections do I need to make right now so that I can build my multi-billion dooll soccer company or whatever think it's a milli is it a million dollar idea for me to make a we site for tattoo artists to connect to each other called inin uh can I make money on that J Rus you just gave it away for free I'll point that out I just gave it away all right I want I want to come back to okay so again Mauricio poino missing not not yet signed up to be the head coach of the US Men's National as our our recording as of this recording as of this live show on a Thursday night September 5th CU it could change tomorrow we've been saying this I how many weeks in a row have I had Mauricio poino on our thumbnail this the third well we missed two weeks you were you were busy for two weeks yeah and then the last two the two shows before that I think had Mauricio poino in the thumbnail because we thought it was there was news it was happening we're we're definitely getting uh we're getting friend zoned here a bit it you yeah look it it's one of those things too because of who he is there's literally nothing stopping England from signing him tomorrow still that's true that is maybe this is maybe this all is using us as a stalking horse using I believe in fabito Romano but you you believe in fabito Romano sure okay sure sometimes I mean he stole your catchphrase but other than that no I I don't know if I believe in a for Brio Romano as much as I believe that the people who feed him information have good reasons for that and it's hard to say that he would go with here we go did he he give us a here we go on on on poo to the US I think I think a while back yeah you know what does he do it before there's pin the paper or is it just when it's like like he's he considers it ready to go he does it when he's gotten word from the parties involved that they're about I think we got to here we go I think we got to here we go on it I'm going to need a confirmation on it here we go from the chat from FAO it's not as good he does he say it the way I say it does does he have does he have the the the pipes no it's more of a here we go okay well he's he is Italian so he gets away with like you know more cultured than I do right so that's a thing now now how much okay look again we're on mopo watch in Kansas City whether he's at the football game tonight or not I hope he shows up gets a barbecue is at the stadium on Saturday for the game I really do I hope we have you think he's actually present when they when sucker announces it you think he's present that's that could be Poss I mean it it really would be like if we're going to imagine a dream scenario you know it is US soccer announces the hiring of Mauricio pochettino at the game and he's there to wave to the crowd you know like the queen like hey hey subjects I'm here now I'm I'm I'm taking the crown and and you're in good hands and and we're going to you know conquer the world that would be amazing that that would be the best possible scenario because it would be done it would have a proper announcement of some kind and we wouldn't have to worry anymore and and and the team for whatever it is potina would have an opportunity very quickly to at least be involved right watch them play and then hopefully be around for training going into Tuesday's matches I think I think conference calls in and there's uh he addresses the media uh remotely I don't think he's in Kansas City this weekend um I I think he gets his stuff in order and he's ready for the next one which is what November October do we have one in October no no we got a second one in this I know I I I don't know if he's coming in this window oh there there is um there is an October window right why we do a September and an octo the October window is Panama and Mexico the 12th and the 15th all I really know is that poino doesn't seem to be properly waiting how important it is for us to shut Jesse Marsh up we will get to Jesse Marsh I I will get to Jessie Marsh I I do want one more thing on this and okay register on the scale of 1 to 10 your excitement level for Saturday nights Saturday evenings matchup I guess that's an afternoon for I mean I just miss seen the US national team play so there's just a natural excitement of the fact that like I just want to see the US play again um I'm interested to see something that's not a bur halter coach team but it's it's very tempered by the fact that a lot of the names you want to see there won't be there so it does get have the feeling of a uh like a conquer CAF Gold Cup or something like that you know where it's like the the be it's it's a B+ team maybe a B plus you have to it's almost like a spring game for all you college football fans it's like a spring game like you know it's not real you know it doesn't matter you know you're not going to see Cup game sure early rounds yeah you might see the kids out there right and there the thing we we expect to see pulisic in some form Bagon is probably going to start up top Tim way is out injured Western mckenny is absent Anthony Robinson is absent center backs um Cameron Carter Vickers C is absent um who who's I mean no as you mentioned no no sergino dust so it is kind of this weird M mix and match thing I I'm excited to see I would say excited is that the right word I would like to see some Aiden Morris on the for in dude if you've been watching those reals of him over there in Middlesboro man I know he was he was good at the crew but he looks better at Middlesboro to me maybe he is but I will tell you right now I have been on the Aden moris bandwagon from the beginning when he Ste so good on the half turn when he stepped in for Darlington in that that 2000 was it the 2020 MLS Cup Final during the covid season when they won under it was Caleb Porter was in charge and he stepped in because was that right he got hurt he got hurt at some point right after that right and missed a season but since then he's been on fire I'll tell you man at Boro he looks like vanilla nagby like he looks like darling to nagby like the way he plays right now it is very nagby like watching him play I don't think he's ever gonna have the tight space control but but what he does which I think is important to note is he's not over there cleaning up messes and playing sideways or backward no he he is playing forward and and that's a massive thing for a guy who can recover the ball like he can to be able to go forward that quickly does he have a starting role in this line in this lineup for Saturday yeah yeah sure why not no Wester mckeny musa's in right musa's in mus in you got Musa you've got no no Geo which I think we'll talk about a little bit too but you've got Musa and who else in Midfield LCA Del but lca's LC's form is zero because he's not playing Johnny is another Johnny could be at the six and then you could play you could play Aiden Morris who you know I guess he kind of profiles as a six yeah I mean he's six and a half eight somewhere in that range um and then but that does allow Musa to play like that you kind of like where he's a little bit further forward yeah so okay ky's got no Aiden he's got Musa Johnny and tman I do think Tillman's probably a good shout because again there's no Gio and out of that that group of five there's nobody you think of as a forward thinking midfielder outside of Malik Tillman right so yeah yeah I mean there's been times where BR Arison has played in that role I don't think this is what we do though I don't think you put him into that spot let's not forget that Christian pisk has started his season at AC Milan playing at the 10 now back out right at the wing again but there's been experimentation there do you go with a sergeant uh balagan and uh and uh [ __ ] right front three and put in the Midfield no that's not going to work you serious why not no I I don't how you WR and and how you WR and Sergeant been playing wide for their teams I just think that that's extremely where's the width in this team where's the width come from oh there is no width there there's no width there and you and what you're going to ask your okay you can ask your full back no matter what there's not going to be with on one side of the field because who's going to play the other Wing position up front if P six out left who's on that right side BR probably it's probably Aronson unfortunately okay well okay well maybe because this has happened before it's sometimes it's it's funny like a guy doesn't make a roster and then they get called in last minute and suddenly they're starting what if Cade Cal gets a start in this game I listen I had forgot about the Cade Cal call up for the go loss so I I don't know that you can K C the problem is just like pic he wants to play on that left side so one of them's gonna have to go to their least preferred side does that make less effective I don't know um but I will say this when you think of Canada they have a lot of speed on the uh they have a lot of speed on that team you know and having K Kell on the field may help with that at least defensively okay I mean I I'm not even I'm not even bothered by it like I'm not bothered by it like I I don't even know if I haveed by what I I'm not sure I have a Preferred lineup like if you told me that that Mikey was throwing out what you just said that front three mhm okay sure and playing polistic underneath them why not it's time for experimentation though right go for it like what the hell man who gives a [ __ ] we're on a rebound we're on a rebound this is where you try kinky [ __ ] that doesn't matter I mean that's the thing like this is the this is not this is not yeah this is not the real relationship this is this isn't this isn't who you're going to marry yeah you experiment right now find out who you are as a person 10 years from now you're going to talk about this time period of like when you tried [ __ ] I absolutely you this is throw a dude in there um I don't know about all that but uh yeah okay damn dog that's in appr propes Mark McKenzie Chris Richards Austin trusty Tim ream I I would love to see a Richards trusty starting center back pairing I don't think you're get away from ream though I think by the way did he has he come over to the states yet I know it's been announced he's a Charlotte FC player but has he like arrived and is he like with the team okay yes all right yes he is so we'll see how quickly us ER fandom turns on him now that he doesn't have that European smell you know what uh the only thing I really care about like this is really truly I'm being completely honest like I mentioned I would like to see a Morris get a run in one of these games you know beyond that the only thing I really care about is that Patrick schy starts at least one of these games in goal that that's that's the only thing I I like that I I think that he is on the heels of uh Matt Turner um I think Selena Selena which did not get a Gaga Selena did not get a call up here I think that's kind of weird you kind of expect it maybe because he's actually getting some minutes they didn't want to mess with him let him keep going that path but I do like me some schy I think that he is the the I wouldn't be surprised by 2026 if he's a starting keeper I wouldn't be shocked by that no but a lot of that is it's Matt Turner's job to lose despite his Club situation he still has not been poor at the National Team level consist but not po there's this thing about well if he hadn't been bad for the national team he can't really pull him I don't know if I buy well you're at a spot right now where you have to start changing Center back pairings too so how much do you change in that defense at once but if you're going to do it you got a over a year and a half to make it work maybe you start making that change now okay well let's let's talk about the guy who's not there I mean we mentioned the Kade Cal got a call up maybe he'll play no giovan Raa he once again is is missing um I saw a tweet TW that they're still called tweets right I don't know what they're called well he's not missing he was there they're called musks right they're called man I really had a good today I I Elon my ass off today for like okay uh it was Joe Lowry Joe Lowry who smart guy back heal.com he's got the he's on part of the Total Soccer show talked that guy a billion times very smart soccer guy right he said in his musk that Gio is approaching what if territory because of yet another injury situation oh okay first of all a strain hamstring is not a big deal you know it's not like you're saying there's a tear or anything like that like guys pull hamstrings all the time you're two weeks three weeks and you're back to it it's a Gro right I think it's a growing I thought it was H was it growing I saw it listed as growing maybe it's not maybe it's gr chat saying growing as well but either way a pulled muscle happens to players problem is he has a issue with soft soft tissue um injuries had taken him a long time to come back couple but given that history I'm glad US soccer made the right call send him away get him better do do you maybe think okay he he did accept the call up he was with the team it's not H yeah he wants to play somewhere wait a second wait for it maybe maybe he like I said he showed he took the call he answered the call he showed up he was there for training before being sent back because of the groin injury but could it be like oh ow I I hurt I think I hurt my groin you mean Mauricio poino is not coming I I hurt my ouch I hurt my gr so I go back to I can go back to that's the level of conspiracy theory that you're at right now you think it's conspiracy theory players do the crap all of course they do why would this dude not want to play a minute he's getting no minutes professionally because his minutes that matter are going to be at Dortmund and he's got a new coach at Dortmund I know it's a guy who knows there after saying he has a pole groin and they're going to magically play him it's an international break I'm saying he is there in front of his coach training the whole time or or at least there to work it out yeah I'm not saying he's 100% un like like I'm not saying there's no injury I'm saying that it may not be the kind of injury that would keep you out of a game except in this situation hey why why would stick around with a tiny little injury to play for the interim head coach when I go back to on stuff right there that's some close to q and on stuff and again players do this stuff this is the one thing in his life that's good this is the one thing in his life that's good though it's it's Kansas City against Canada if it if it was if it was a World Cup qualifier I don't think he'd be going back to Dort it's boots on a field he hasn't been on a field in how long he just played it wasn't much but he just played it's I'm just saying the guy needs to Showcase something what matters more for go Rea in the long term like proving he can play for the national show me when he has ever thought longterm show me where Gio Rena has ever thought longterm he just got engaged come on come on come on that's that's good when he says I do then he's abely you haven't committed yet all right all right all right I know a lot all the all the best wishes to gioa and his future wife but a lot of relationships don't make it to that point just because you just you got just because you got a wild hair up your ass and propose doesn't mean you're that feels wrong to even like suggest that there's a possibility damn dog that's an approach that they may not make it down the aisle Jared like why would you put that from Clayton Jason tonight because I is that a compliment or is that a dig at me I don't know what that is I love that that's great thank you wait what you're saying right now is what I usually sound like some C all I know is that Clayton said he thought thiso he thought it was cursed he said it was he called it cursed Clayton did I think that's brilliant I think that's good stuff right there he's ever seen Carmen San Diego in his life I mean Carmen San Diego was like my first older woman crush isn't that the best geography tool that you ever had growing up though you who didn't have that World Factbook to look did you the book cuz I had the game I had there was a there was a computer game before the show I played Carmen San Diego the game yeah okay there was 64 like you had to have the book to look up the the facts so you had to find the the the chief crop of Peru to find kmen San Diego because that was a question the game and you had to have the book I don't think I researched it I I I think I chose to think of it as a test if I knew it or not oh no I think there was a book that you were supposed to have to go with the game so look anybody that's of Our Generation that can confuse I mean that can confirm this let me know obviously that drop with me singing car uh Mauricio poo at the end instead of Carmen San Diego is from the PBS show which was a game show for kids yes based around the kmen San Diego idea with a Acappella group with an Acappella group doing the singing of I have the whole song it is great still great the bass dude it's all about the bass dude it's and the bass yeah the bass dude Garbin San Diego it's pretty good uh so Gio Raina just to put a bow on Gio's situation here like I'm not panicked I I I think it's going to be okay at least in terms of his health I don't think from a US perspective but he's not good from a dortmund's perspective I'm not so so okay there's no reason yet to believe that nor shahen is going to play him any more than he was played last season under tiuch not yet okay but I'm not ready to give up on that possibility either right and and I know that there are some reports out that he was offered out on loan I think to buckham Bam's near the bottom of the Bundesliga to start the season they're going to be a relegation candidate but buckham apparently looked to to looked out uh asked about him with Dortmund and dortman said no so I don't know if that's because Dortmund thinks they're going to use him or they just want to control him for now I don't like none of this makes any sense from hey what are you trying to get out of G money or playing time and and contributions like what's going on here classically Dortmund get tries to get money like they they are a talent Factory that buys low selles high that's just what they do um maybe those offers aren't there for Gio so they're still sitting on their investment hopefully they're going to be able to make that turn at some point but if he's never showcasing he's never GNA be worth anything so they they've got to like kind of [ __ ] or get off the pot when it comes to giena well that's why I'm hoping that when the break is over we get back to League Play he they [ __ ] is that is that what you're saying is that what that means yeah yeah you want you want Dortmund to [ __ ] want the stool to loosen you want well okay um you mentioned Jesse Marsh Jesse Marsh speaking of stools head coach of the Canadian Men's National Team a man right now immersed in a drone Scandal which we're not going to really I don't think he has anything to do with well his Federation is involved in it he has sort of answered questions in a way that makes you go what he's like well I just learn I'm just learning about it like you guys are I don't have all the information you know I was working with b priestman and I you know she's a good coach and it's like Jesse I know he's trying not to throw people under the bus hell yeah he's not but this is still dumb it's all D he's still cashing down checks but it was what Jesse had to say about the US Men's National Team when he was on that what's the name of the podcast that he was on that was before call it what you want I think is what it's called right I don't know what I want to call so let's let's let's this well Jason found a way to just hang up on himself in the middle of trying to make a a uh play a drop or Play a clip chat let me know am I live with you oh here he comes this is g to be great I can't wait for this what you're about to see you're what you tell me what happened you pushed a button I tried disappear I tried to play the video of Jesse Mars talking about this situation with the US Men's National Team and everything crashed so blame our platform for that I'm going to try to get the video back but Jason what huh what what what call it what you want play it okay here we go okay so Jesse I asked you a really long question I'll make it shorter do you think our player pool for the US needs to get tougher my long question but here's the funny thing is the a lot of the players that were clamoring to get Greg back were also the ones that are now saying that that it's time to move on like I don't know I you can't for me like this Sport and this world that you play in has to be about constantly being challenged to be your best period right I don't care like who the coach is and and there shouldn't be a comfortability there should always be a drive to be better and yeah it's fun to be on teams right you want the process of growth and Improvement to be an enjoyable one but it has to be about demands right and and this this life life should never be about complacency right if you want to be a a good professional coach a good professional player a good professional team you this has to be about the drive and the obsession to be your best and the only way to do that is to constantly be challenged and be to be put over your head to be asked more to be have higher standards higher demands right so I don't care if it's the US team or it's any team that's that's that's what professional football is all right um thoughts Mr dub um I I I totally see how you could he could make the case for what he's saying but I also think that he gets the benefit of having no skin in the game the players that he's talking about you're telling me that Jason you've worked for sirusxm for how many years uh nine years something has there ever been a time where decision they've made you've had to tow the line even though you didn't feel that you agreed with the the direction of your job are you trying to get me in trouble right now but this okay that's the point right that's the point what you just said right there Christian pic Tyler Adams Weston mcken when a reporter asked them that question about Greg burh halter a year ago a year and a half ago what are they supposed to say okay are they gonna say that they are they gonna take the bait and the trap that I just laid for you no they're not I agree with you okay for the most part how however the story here is what I just put up from SEO spider that that Jesse Marsh was offered the job that he was on the verge do you remember the one Ron Waxman tweet I'm sorry musk that he put out x x post whatever that's called Ron Waxman kind of nuked US soccer on on Twitter basically saying they screw Jesse Marsh over that comes from Jesse Marsh effectively being offered the job now how much of it was here's the contract we want you to be the head coach of the US Men's National Team or how much of it was a handshake you think he got offered that's the story okay multiple people that I've only ever heard one that story okay well I don't know for sure and I'm usually enough of a you're more connected than I am hell you Austin trusty is your friend so you would know better than I know he hasn't told me anything Austin trust is not giving enough information I don't want to get him in trouble he's not LinkedIn dming me info about you linked you he doesn't know he doesn't know to what Tim ree said this week by the way they don't know anything anyway right now the story is I'm I'm okay whether I believe it or not let's just leave that to the side the story is that Jesse was off for the job or effectively off for the job and it was the players after I guess Matt Crocker called them all up who said no we want Greg to come back who effectively ended the possibility of Jessie that's a lot of hearsay for us to stand on it's a lot of here saying it's a lot of connecting dots that don't really make a ton of sense right What scenario works either way the scenario I gave you a second ago about Towing the line when you have to tow the line that works in the other half of Jesse Marsh's scenario too because he's saying now players are talking about accountability and stepping up and so even if they weren't Towing the line then they still are in a position where they have to tow the line now they always they always have to put the outward perception it's also it's also it's also he he's calling them for he's calling them out for being hypocrites right but he's not giving them the grace to have changed their minds after what happened with Copa America right okay so you what I'm saying Jessie Marsh can call them out for hypocrite but he has to wait six months before people behind the scenes give his story of what happened to us soccer he's not saying what happened with us soccer no he's not being so isn't he a hypocrite too then he has said he has said he wouldn't he he without being direct all right and there's some sort of which the players aren't being direct either well I I get it but I think he's being more direct in the player like to his to to be fair to Jesse Marsh he's been more Brig about the the national team setup and the program and and US soccer because he said like as long as these people are in charge I don't want to work with us soccer now again that's that's also a jilted guy he was if he was thought he was going to get the job and he didn't he thinks that everything's a joke over there now again let's go back to the timeline here so the story is Jesse Marsh is effectively offer the job whether that's by uh Joe Cocker or not I don't I mean by him or somebody else it would have to be him right because Matt Crocker is supposed to be the guy making decisions and I went now since then oh Matt Crocker says I know more and I'm in a better place to make a good decision and by the way we still don't have that decision get the mo morio poo thing done Matt please thank you very much but we go back so Matt Crocker is supposedly supposed to have said hey uh Jesse we want you to be the coach or I want you to be the coach you're going to get the job and then he goes to the players and then the players say no we want Greg to stick around and then changes is true if that story is true yeah that makes me lose a lot of respect for Joe Cocker A lot of respect I don't know why Matt Crocker would put himself in that position to be dis seems he's enough of a professional so so look so so again it's prob this might be go above Matt Crocker's pay grade right and people people who are most cynical about us soccer will tell you this probably doesn't land on Matt Crocker's desk it lands on the desk of the president and the CEO right so you're saying Cindy parlo con was a huge fan of triple G I'm what I'm saying is that you've got people at the top who don't always make decisions based on what is just best for the soccer side of the story they may go well you know we we've got Greg coming back we don't have to pay him a crazy amount of money J Marsh isn't getting invited to leadership conferences maybe I mean what it could be a million different things got Nike TI on theet could be again it could and this is not the problem is that whether or not you believe this is defensible do you believe it's defensible when the people in in an organization who know somebody right who have a relationship with somebody go hey we want that guy to stick around we like him he's a nice guy to us like we we think he's a nice guy right in in any other situation right in any other corporate situation that person's job performance is not visible to the world right that person is not out there with like showing them their their sales numbers like hey this is how much I sold last quarter y I didn't sell a lot but I'm a nice guy keep me around in this case and and Greg Balter came out of the World Cup this is All About That World Cup post-ww World Cup timeline right it's the the June rehiring of burh halter during the the Nations League he came out of that world cup not not not a guy who had completely dropped the bag not a guy who had completely botched it or screwed it up a guy who was in some quarters getting some praise in some quarters getting some criticism it was not as though everybody in the world thought Greg balder did a [ __ ] job at the World Cup was it no it I think they hit most expectations fell short others but sure I mean you can look at the game against Holland and say well they he he got out coached a billion by a billion times over look at game the England and say that they overperformed whatever you want look and again that's Eye of the Beholder kind of stuff right so he comes out of that world cup with the the whole investigation and the Geo thing hanging over his head and I and my reasons for not bringing him back were largely that he he talked he told Tales out of school about Gio which I thought was a transgression you shouldn't forgive right but US soccer from a performance perspective could say well he didn't do terribly at the World Cup and we know him and the players know him and to them that was a positive not a negative right it's only now post Copa America that were all like well they were too comfortable and they I mean I know some people were saying that ahead of the Copa America tournament but my my point is that Jesse is is Rel litigating something that at the time was not crazy it was not what he wanted to happen but it was not crazy his issue seems to be that he was told something that didn't come true and now he wants to call out the players who at the time look again I'm just trying to get to human nature here like if they know Greg and they like Greg why would they not vouch for Greg why would why would they say at that moment in time you know what we need a new coach we need a new CH I don't doubt that there's players that advocated for GG ber halter because they felt like they were building something that they were going someplace um and I think that helped inform the decision that they were willing to be vocal about it but I also think that most players realize that the last year has not been good enough the results have not been good enough the play on the field has not been good enough the demonstration of maturity by serginho Des and Tim waya not good enough this is my point this is a this is a some of these it's a sliding scale they're allowed to both supported Balter and not be happy now thank you thank you and I don't think that Jesse is allowing for that but again I think he's speaking from emotion more than he's speaking from logic which I I guess I get right and I don't know that by the way I don't don't know that this is about siding with one over the other both of them can be wrong US soccer can be wrong with how they handled the whole thing and Jesse Marsh can be wrong with how he is responding now right and again none of us were in the room when he interviewed with us soccer none of us were there when he was apparently off of the job if that's a thing none of us know exactly what the player said we we know for through reports that they apparently vouched for bur halter and we do have look we have pic went pretty public with some support for bur halter I think Tyler Adams went pretty public with some support but I mean it's not like there were 23 guys who who like Char also Nam the two Captain offer what you also named the two captains I did that's true that's a fair point but they don't speak they still don't speak for everybody they speak for themselves when they're not Oni speak for Ricardo Pepe I mean but that's the thing Brooks like we don't know do you know how they actually feel you mean yes no and and I don't think we're ever going to and I don't think we should it's their business their business honestly I'll be honest I'll take a step further I don't give a [ __ ] there it doesn't change what the coach's job is yes how the players feel about the coach should never fall into play it should never matter if the team is getting the results it needs to get now if the team's not getting the results they want yeah locker room attitude what players think start to matter because then owners are looking for outs presidents and and CEOs are looking for outs but when every if it's winning no one gives a [ __ ] I mean there's plenty of the best teams in sports over the years have not always gotten along with their coach this is what I mean right so much of this is us being prisoners of the moment and being tied into results-based analysis right so much of this is oh we we we need a coach who isn't Friends at all with the players and and and holds them to this incredible St standard and they have to prove themselves every day in training and all that stuff and all that stuff sounds good and that can be an effective way to to coach a team I'm not saying it's not an effective way to coach a team but there have been plenty of coaches who have been you know closer to their players arm around the guy you know whatever it is that that they did to to ingratiate themselves to their group and then those teams win and everybody goes oh what a great man manager that coach is listen there there's a point to be made that when the average age of your team is 22 going into a World Cup yeah you might need a coach that's a little bit more of a Kid Glove coach because you're literally playing with kids you know but when your average age is going to be 25 going into a world cup and everyone's got to W up under their belt already that may not be the right guy for the job anymore I swear that we made that argument like a long time ago that like it's okay look you may not love Greg berhalter and his resume was not Sterling when he got the job and I understand that there's a lot of people who would accuse US soccer of hiring some dude's brother right that that's definitely out there right it's not as though Greg Balter had achieved so much that being being his brother's brother didn't have a a negative impact on how people viewed him but you could say that in terms of the person he was that he fit that group at least in terms of the hiring process okay whether the results measure up is a different thing and clearly we do not have a federation that is willing to pull the plug at the first side of trouble it's you're going to have to go pretty bad for them to be like okay yeah I guess now maybe and some of that's monetary concerns with contracts some of that is who are you going to go get and who can you attract and all those things they're all parts of the the calculation here so but they made the decision that they had to make after Copa America and again we're still waiting to see if it's going to be Mauricio poach oh the search is still on oh this I'm sorry did that's right we got that update the bat signal is in the air yeah man um by the way no no no um no Mauricio poao spotted at the Chiefs game but Christian is there Christian psic is there he's hanging out uh I mean I think uh I think uh people with lots of money that are good-looking like to hang out with other people that are good-looking and have lots of money it's not like Christian pic doesn't want to be seen but is he still dating that tennis girl I believe she's a golfer oh golfer excuse me golfer jie married the the the tennis player sorry she married the tennis he married a tennis player yes yeah gol how gistic is it more in our pop culture like like uh uh like who's he dating Zeitgeist like why is that not a thing he's just not that kind of forward- facing guy like I I think he's on I mean he's on social just like everybody's age but I don't think he's I don't think actively courts it I guess I don't know man I don't know I mean Wesson out there dating models and have a dynamic personality does Christian like I'm sure he's a nice guy but we talked about this you you called him a little milk toast little vanilla like he's he's that guy you know um I feel like what what do you think chrisan pic's favorite movie is Christian's Christian poic's favorite I'm I'm gonna say something along the lines of shy Le's holes why why exactly I think he peeed around 14 years old and that was his favorite movie and like that's the best ever going to get I've been thinking a lot about this movie recently I want his favorite movie to be pop star never stop never stopping that's what I want his favorite so I've only watched that one once and my f one of my favorite movies of all time is Hot Rod I know I love the lonely and I've only ever watched that movie Once I think I need to go back and give it another you should watch it again the music part of that is is awesome it's pretty good but and speaking of that I I can't believe we have another podcast wreck on our podcast but there is a Lonely Island buyers you have listened to it I listened probably all I've listened all the way through the hot rod episodes and even a little bit past that all right well I'm I'm caught up into real time so I'm I've been on board with that for a while so uh yeah that's a really good one if you like Lonely Island stuff it's very fun it's a very good one all right let's let's spend a couple minutes here talking about the retirement of Alex Morgan she announced that she's going to be hanging up hanging up the boots after uh Sunday's game for the San Diego wave hang the boots because she'd been knocking the boots she has knocked some boots because she's pregnant thank you for yes that's Jared giving us his his uh his what's husband name again he played for the Galaxy for God's sake why I his name is carasco what's his first name oh yeah um somebody help me out all right something carasco you're right dang it he literally played for the Santino no Sano no that's Santino uh kto not yeah what's caranto doing now is he working for DC seems no he's a coach in like in back in Maryland somewhere like really is it Carrasco do I have that right somebody's going to help me out Carrasco is right I just can't think of his first name and he played for the Galaxy I don't know why I can't he did for a hot second play for the uh oh wait Morgan says his name is Alex Morgan's husband fair I mean me we do that with women all the time right we do that women all the time oh he's yeah he's the ultimate wife guy that guy uh Alex by way Sur there yes and I know she's not going to claim it because it's borderline and probably she probably would but I'm claiming her as iie I'm claiming her as Inland Empire I know I know I think that's okay I mean I think it's okay you're going to make that claim whether she would accept it I I don't know she probably wouldn't no where she's where she's from where uh yber Linda sanus area no yber Linda I believe believe it's y Linda okay I don't know enough about the geography of it's technically Orange County but it's on a side of a mountain that I would consider Inland Empire but no one wants to claim it there was no there was no Inland Empire geography in um kmen San Diego they didn't include that in the show did they know Landon Donovan was Bor there where is RA Rancho kukamonga in relation to Ontario and Redlands like I have no idea so proud of you that you know those names because I know soccer players who are from those places that's about actually it's a little bit of a a Bittersweet um week for for the for iie if you're going to claim Alex Morgan she's retiring and your boy Carlos banega got fired you know what I would love to do on a bonus show one time I wish if there was a map that Ed where every US soccer man and woman pool player with at least let's say minimum of of 25 caps where they grew up their Hometown okay if you plotted all that on a map and I would love to play a game of who can feeli the best 11 within 20 miles of a geographic area oh man like pick 20 miles and like and what's the best 11 you can make what's the best 20 M radius there are two places in the country that would be the the obvious candidates to win this battle it is your area I think I agree it is also Carney Newark Harrison that New Jersey there's a sheer amount of options you would have you know I think you could probably get out into that LA area as well la is really spread out though um I'm trying to think St Louis would have a decent shout I know that we're we're we're this is narrow casting we're doing local Heat here but you tell me she went to Diamond Bar High School yeah D Bar your Belinda right next to there's basically they touch so okay all right basically same thing basically same thing but but there's actually an argument with Unice Musa and Tim WEA and some others that like NYC has probably got yeah if especially if you consider people who actually just born just had to be born there well if you put this if you put this pin if you put this pin no was never mind he was in Manchester my bad if you put this pin in the water like south of Manhattan and you get a M radius right there which would be Jersey New York City some of Long Island yeah you're proba that's you position that that ven just right over the right cities but it'd be an interesting thing yeah I want a tool where I can do that but St Louis I think could have some play I think Chicago area could have some play there's a few areas that you Chicago's big though 20 miles is not going to cover I mean much all of Chicago you and obviously La the reason that we're talking about ie is because La is Big so you like oh they're from da San Diego's got a decent shot you can get a good PBE five out of 11 out of San Diego but I think it's be tough to compete at 11 on 11 anyway not to steal Al Morgan's no no but but let's put let's let's finish this thought what we need is somebody out there with entirely too much time on their hands somebody out there who loves a good database to plot the the birthplace of every American soccer player of any number 25 Caps or more 25 Caps or more okay 25 Caps or more for the national team man that takes Sasha victory in out of my men and women please like we want to we got to get this both down so PL plot all of those put those into a data base so they can be plotted on a map is 25 too many and then give us the opport like like is a lot then overlay those those coordinates onto the map so then we can use our our 20 M radius to figure this out so Jared can feel earlier I think it was Aaron told us he's a geographer by profession come on baby oh my God that's a you can be you can be a geographer what is that is that even the right term I don't know geographist what do they call map people I don't even know Mist there's a word for that it's a much fancier word I I don't know man but I think we need to take 25 down 25 is a lot of caps now that I think about it that's a lot I think you least a cap a cap oh my God that opens up so many a cap I don't know I think some regions of the US need that to be at one cap to have enough people to even consider this is the word for the map people cogra that's map that's that different that's you make a I know but I I said Mists that's clearly not wrong that's definitely wrong don't don't change that M to an R oh man no definitely don't do that uh I'll take the rapist for 400 okay uh Alex Morgan so yes coming back to her whether she's IE or not she's one of the best American players of all time you know she she has un she has the mo Misfortune and I'm doing scare quotes she has The Misfortune of having played for the US Women's National Team which has names like Abby wach and Carly Lloyd and and Michelle akres and Mam and the list goes on so where she where does she I mean is she sort of properly ranked based on her goal number relative to every Are We R her positionally or just like in terms of her stature as a player for the national team overall man that's so she's not on she's not she's not in the in like she she wouldn't be S tier Striker no I think box got her I think mam has her you know that's a one two right there I think she's third in terms of theic Strikers so so we're not playing we're only playing with one these days but if you were playing a 442 would she be on your second team I don't think she on my second team yes second team in a 442 Abby wach Reigns Supreme in a 442 the the ability to play back to goal and like to play that old school number nine position there's no one else in the women's game that's ever done that that's why I asked if he makes your second team because I on your first team is mam on your first team and then that means Carly Lloyd is on your second you know if I'm playing a two Striker then yeah it's for me it's Mam and and Abby wach they're just that that's an amazing onew combo if you think about it what one has and the other one has they're very different and I think they would combine well it's a I think Alex Morin is probably the best 433 forward it's not big little but it is that kind of vibe Abby wacks the back to gold player and then M playing off of her so that's what I'm asking you so and and you could make an argument that depending on what part of her career you're talking about Alex Morgan could play either one of those positions agreed I still don't think that she is as good as either of the two players at their best I think she was probably the best athlete out of them I think she's probably faster than either one of them she was yeah it was but I don't think I think the other two were so good at what they did and granted they got the chance to play against women's teams that were not at the level where women the women's game is now but despite that you can only judge them by what they were around there's something interesting there for the future of the players who come in behind Alex Morgan because she may be the last one to sort of benefit from a US Women's National Team D Pad the stats a little that helps you pad your stats listen and no women's players going forward are ever going to have the Caps that mam and Abby that Abby wach they were playing so many more Women's National Team games because the they were C they were uh um they're making up for the fact that the club system wasn't as consistent and in be Ham's case not present so the the amount of caps that those players had that that you it's always goingon to be tough to compare stats with them yeah absolutely this is we we're going to we're going to end up having a lot of eras discussions when it comes to the US womans national team because how do you compare Michelle akres a player who played multiple spots on the field but is still ranked what sixth all time in goal scoring for the US women playing in an era where there were maybe what three fully funded national teams in the world I mean fully funded is even a stretch the US women were they they weren't getting what they should have gotten they just existed right so at if Michelle lers was playing today would she be as good we could get lost in the sauce on that very very quick for what's going to suck is that when a generation like my me yourself when the generation that got to watch a Michelle Acres play isn't around to defend a Michelle Acres I'm worried what revisionist history is goingon to happen to a player like that because for people that watch her play I will tell you right now she would be one of the best players in the world right now she would be one of the best players in the world right now that may be true and I also think it's always difficult to unpack what would that player be with their natural talents if they had trained and and learned and grown in a different system one that was more more ready to make them into a top I'm not going to be mean and say names on that 99 team there's names on that 99 team that I don't think would be close to the national team right now okay that's probably Fair yeah but there's also ones I think would walk on okay you know I mean so so and I don't know that this is even fair to anybody involved especially Alex because yeah she gets she deserves to stand on her own as a great us woman national team player and as a great goal scorer for this team and a goal score they needed let's be honest about that too I mean pick up the mantle when Abby left as aby's career winded down it was like okay well where do we go remember how many times we talked about where do they go for a nine where do they go for a nine and what happened Alex Morgan was like okay I guess that's me now and instead of being baby horse out running play uh people getting in slipping in behind constantly she changed her game I mean she she national team changed their game they she sacrificed goal scor You could argue she sacrificed goal scoring for the last three or four years of her career to help the US woman his national team be better and they won let's be honest about the the the transition that happened while Alex Morgan was was proficient or prolific in during her era Abby wach if you go back and watch those games the US bypassed Midfield constantly constantly B byass you she won everything in the air why would you so you you have a diff completely different style Abby wach leaves the game and us and and honestly us goes the direction the world was going anyway that 4-33 more possession base play through the Midfield they've adopted that over the last eight years 10 years you know but that part of that transition is that you had an Alex Morgan that could play off the back line you know that could get behind and actually uh combine onew pass you're through and she's out on a break Abby Wok's not running a break you know it's very different eras between the two but I still think Alex Morgan for all that she is I will say she is a higher level caliber player prolifically in the US pop culture than Abby wbach lower than mam though I would say she's up you mean like just her resonance as a figure yeah I mean there's lots of reasons for that I mean you can't you can't you can't kind of pull out her her conventional attractiveness as part of who she was as a figure but obviously there was never any question she was good enough for the national I mean the last couple years we had talk we talked about whether it was time to move on but at her prime it wasn't like oh she's only there because of X Y and Z no it was because she was good because she scored goals and let's if we're talking I just wish she had had a a good European season or two I really wish she had made those work when they were over there that's the one thing that's really missing from her resume uh let me ask you this very quickly in terms of iconic moments men's women's doesn't matter iconic moments American soccer I think it is Brandy and the shirt and 99 yeah like photos right moments um man Rino at the at France rapino in France but but but Alex in France with the teacup that's what I'm asking where does that fit I thinko we gotta remember what was going on around rapino I'm not I'm asking you to Place Alex's thing in the rankings not I know it's probably not Megan Rino third third all time third ahead of third ahead of let's see uh what's you can't even think of another one that's why it's third the dog pile against Algeria I think would Oh Oh I thought oh I'm I was thinking just a women's game no everything everything us Brandy's number one no matter we saying just us just us American soccer I think I think Atlanta Donovan's moment now if you're talking about a still frame the still frame is not famous for the Atlanta donov thing but if you think moment the Algeria moment was a bigger thing than Alice Borg's uh picture but her picture is Iconic more than anything I can think in the men's game it's kind of hard to pick bigger than guca star down at borghetti bigger than dece face yeah those are the those are the candidates I think um bigger than Alexi La a picture of Alexi lws in 94 yeah any picture of Alexi l94 those pictures in 94 any picture of in 94 uh yeah it it's a moment it's a sort of a an orchestrated moment rather than an an impromptu moment or something that happens on the field like could we argue tab getting his his head cracked is like a bigger moment maybe but it's not nobody remembers that exact it's not out there it's not out there like that the women's team had the benefit of having tremendous Su success at the correct time pop wise pop culture-wise you know yeah it's big the I I don't know if the average US I think the average men's team fan is not properly calibrated to how much bigger the women's team is you think that well that might be true now but but I think that's also partly because yeah okay I see what you're saying there's a generational thing there yeah right because we had we had 2002 on the men's side but other than that it was like it was mostly like the women are the best team in the world they're they're more important Americans love that to American soccer than the men's team was I I there there's way more pictures of Alex Morgan on kids walls than there ever was of Landa Donovan that's probably true I think that's probably true definitely true that's probably true I can't prove it but definitely true definitely 100% true if I'm Alex Morgan honestly if I'm Al Alex Morgan that's one of my I I would be so happy with that if that was my legacy oh absolutely absolutely that's man let's say it congratulations to Alex Morgan on an incredible career when she is eligible she will be a US soccer Hall of Famer a national soccer Hall of Famer there's get those young ones in in the game early let's go all right so uh go over to the patreon at patreon.com thee bester show and sign up because it's cool and there's people there that share interesting things and have good conversations and I'm goingon to come up with my IE best 11 on the bonus show right now oh is that what we're doing I have no idea what we're doing but we could man I I can't even claim an area to be like this is the this is the best 11 for my area like I don't even feel I don't feel claim the whole us dude I don't that's not I thought you were Sacramento till you die only only in only as a republ only for the Republic not not only when you're Republican I don't if you don't who's from Sacramento by the way are fans of the Republic Republicans that is that what you're called if you're a fan of the Republic Republic EAS that's what they're called I don't know what they're called interesting all right um yeah patreon.com thee best soccer show ratings and reviews and all that and definitely subscribe and like the YouTube channel help us out there um you know I I don't what we're going to do a bonus show so be on the lookout for that if you're a patreon member that's going to be dropping probably tonight maybe tomorrow we'll see when I get to it but Jared do you have any other things for the people any other information to share pass along I got nothing for the people baby just come join us on that patreon you'll have a good time I promise we don't bite right we'll talk to you guys uh next week hopefully bye unless you want us to is a choer can I get a manager can I please get a manager we are at deathcon one defon one is that 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