I have to talk about your son Harrison uh he came on the scene just lighting it up on short tracks I mean winning the biggest races there was and so that paved the way for him to make it to the big time he he runs for the Wood Brothers right now uh in the cup series tell me about your son Harrison uh you know I mean I guess you don't got to go in depth but I know you you and Kim love him so much um where's he at right now and what do you think well there you know they have not had they've not had the success that they they want to have and that they obviously need to have and and at the cup level you know getting here he did you know it's it's kind of funny you know he he uh he won everything he sat in and and I mean you know at eight years old he's running around the country winning like he's won a lot of races a lot of races and and uh you know KNN Ara you know late models quarter midgets like he won a lot of stuff and and did it it was fast yeah like Fast smart like this is the you know he's got the whole package and and he then he went to uh he went and and ran his first full year at kbm at Kyle's place and they did he and and Todd Gillan and they were they were both lighting up you know AR K&N they were you know contending for the WIS having incredible races racing against each other big rival didn't really like each other enough now they're best friends um didn't really like each other that much they go to kbm together and neither one of them is having success and and and um and you know most people went to kbm just lit it up right and neither one of those guys were doing it for whatever reason and that became public you know Kyle said some things publicly and and and that that put a lot of pressure on those two young men which ultimately was was fine right it it it it taught them it taught him at a young age Herm younger than we had to learn things that you went through oh yeah oh yeah and it made them tougher it made him stronger and then um you know so they got he and Todd both you know got through that and and it made them stronger it made them tougher uh it was a great experience for them they were driving really good equipment but they weren't having the success that they needed to have for whatever reason and and when you're at a big team that's used to winning races and you're not it's going to fall on your shoulders yeah that's how it is you know that's just simply how it is and so um so then the next year he went to to uh to Gibbs and just had a great year rookie year you know won four races broke Carl Edwards uh record for for the best start in the in for rookie driver in the Xfinity series just you know lit that up and then and then went to Cup and and it's it has not gone as well as anybody body wants it to the Wood Brothers Harrison uh the pincu organization it it just you know obviously hasn't had they haven't been as good as they need to be um really with with with he and and sric both you know both of those guys that struggled getting up to speed uh bringing consistent speed the way that that their teammates have been able to so it's it is what it is they they've got to find a way uh as a race team to be better better and Harrison's got to find a way for him to be better and they collectively got to find a way to do it together and and um the talent's there it's you don't go you don't you don't lead the most laps of the snowball Derby you don't sit on the pole for the Derby you don't all yeah you don't do all the things that he did has done uh to and not have talent you know and and and however it's it is a different world yeah and we talk a lot about and lately the conversation you know has been about how much practice late model guys asphalt late model guys get well you know Harrison and a generation of drivers grew up Co and it completely changed good point how think about it like Harrison ran three exfinity races at Gibbs fulltime won the second or third race at C California not you know made me wrong the fifth race I think the fifth race Atlanta is the one that got cancelled the co race got cancelled from that point on no practice right hard on a young man and and and so he greatly benefited from practice like he he greatly benefited from La time and and um so they still matter of Christopher Bell Christopher Bell um uh Cole kuster that whole those guys they came to me several you know and they're like we we got to get practice this that's going ruin our careers like we got to find a way and and but we haven't we still really don't have practice so um but it's that to me has has hurt some young drivers and some it hasn't but it has hurt some young drivers but uh you know it's it's it has had an impact but now going into the third his third year in cup um there needs to be an uptick in performance there's no question and and the team's made some changes he's really happy about the changes they made um but he gets along with everybody you know what I mean he hadn't he hadn't become an ass just yet you know what I mean it'll happen but we we don't we really don't want him to go through what we went through you know Els because we qualified 20th or yeah but you got you have to and there's no there's there's no way around it you know you have to you know I watched what he's gone through I watched what he's gone through and I've paid attention to how he's handled it and I'm really proud of how he has handled it because um it's hard like you and I know you and I know incredible what he's going through yes CU we've both done it and um it's actually pretty interesting somebody put up somebody put on uh on social media Twitter X whatever the hell it's called yeah um my first year my first two years stats compared to his first two years stats yeah and it's pretty eily similar and it it's an example of and you know Dell Jarrett reminds me of this all the time if if if Dell Jared hadn't been given enough time he would not be a Hall of Famer remember he C he came in cup and was and then got sent back out of cup and then came back into cup Mark Martin too Mark Martin and so Dell Jarrett reminds me he Dell watches Dell watches Harrison a lot and uh and and he's he's he tells me all the time look man that kid can do it he just needs time he's do doing a lot of things well they just got to connect all the dots and and uh fortunately the Wood Brothers have you know they they see his work ethic they see his dedication they see his desire uh they all see that and so you know they're like hey we this guy deserves another you know deserves a shot to make this happen so uh you know he's going to get a shot and they got they got to go make some stuff happen yeah I think it's fantastic I think of all the drivers in this nextg car who have popped up and you know have had dry times and started winning I I expect you know him him to be great I really do just because I love racing and I watched how fast he was in every division he ran I just wanted to hear what you had to say I know how much you and Kim love your boy and your daughter