and I've had the great Fortune of spending the last 5 years around a lot of orchestras uh and watching a lot of uh of music you know many many many many hours and it really feels like a sports team you can get the best players together on a team and they're not going to win um and it really is about how they communicate and how much they want to be there uh and how much they feel uh heard and safe and guided that you know it really is all it's a very there's no difference in terms of the way I've experienced um uh an orchestra and a sports team um because they're all unique players and they're all the best at what they do and they've all been doing it since they were young so they don't suffer fools either so you better know what you're doing when you show up uh or they're going to destroy you