Raider Syndicate Sunday | The QB Dream dying? Free Agent moves & MORE"

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draft so I'm ready I'm ready bro I'm ready I want that schedule to come out already so I can figure out which games we're gonna go yes sir yes sir uh my boy Chris how you feeling I'm good man first man I got a shout out man my boy young young uh um Panama Fargo AKA rund down bars with the bars in that inro man y'all better quit playing it's appreciated man it's appreciated on my spare time I kill Mike's man on my spare time kill them Turf how you feeling my guy hey man I'm excited man I'm happy uh you know it's another Sunday Syndicate we got a ton to discuss man there's a lot going on in the league right now it's on fire there is but man we we need to chill people are already jumping off Bridges Ledges calling it a rap like man chill that you are not lying on there man but yeah before we do that I you know we got to start off every show right with the roll called chat lives matter man so definitely matter we appreciate everybody y'all like I said y'all pulled up thick man y'all was already in there before we even started so we want to go ahead and give a shout out my boy conected how you feeling with a big Raiders how you feeling my Guy Brian what's the deal good evening how you feeling I'll keep my expectations low this year he already on every year is supposed to be different but it ends up the same no playoffs no franchise QB I'll wait until they prove me wrong on the field that's fair that's fair gota earn it the Raiders gota earn it at this point man 100% that is true that is true Robert says pts salute okay Raider Paul what's the deal in here thick Angelo what's up man and if y'all know I will be on Angelo show right after this man so it's gonna be a long fire day though trust hey speaking on Angelo man he he's he's running Captain Jack's last few remaining shows on Sunday I know Turf is GNA be on there next week talking about some of the martial arts and all boxing all that and Raider stuff so I know that's goingon to be fire rundown is on there tonight and I'm going to be on there on um on Easter Sunday for his very final show man so make sure you guys support Angelo Angelo's a fire dude a hell of a story man and he he's always here supporting us man so make sure you guys support him too factual fact hold it down man Anthony how you feeling what's up SoCal s what's up man what up brother yes sir OJ ra oh hold on hold on the severe Raider gotta get to you what's up Salute to you man here OJ my dog how you feeling what's happening with you jack what's up what's up man bro we got we got everybody in the building man it's crazy it's crazy so you know we got to go ahead and start off with some of our topics I know um you know we it's been a a little quiet couple days right but we did resign our big boys right so we reigned Butler we resigned um John Jenkins so I want to get your guys's thoughts on that so Leo let's go ahead and start with you how do you feel about the resigning of Adam Butler and you know um John Jenkins I I like it bro I like it um one we're bringing back some dudes locker room dudes Raider guys that have been with us they're already familiar with ap and what they want with the addition of Wilkins you know we already got our other boys so bringing back Butler is huge I Like Big John Jenkins when he played last year I know he's a little bit on the older side so I was a little bit curious if he was going to come back but that's a big boy and the boy was balling for us last year and I'm glad to see him coming back and it it's it's kind of sticking true to me in the sense that what Tasco was saying like yeah there's a lot of free agents out there but we got to sign back some of our own as well so it's good to see them bringing them back as well you know what I mean yeah most definitely most definitely um I'm really with you on the age thing uh with Jenkins as well cuz I thought like I thought it was pretty much a rap He 35 36 I was like oh yeah he he obviously still got something to take man so Chris how you feel about the resigning of the big boys man um I'm hyped man everybody know that I was I was high on um I was high on my boy high on um what's his name um Adam Butler definitely wanted him to come back and I like Jenkins I think Jenkins um for the value that he brings um you know with us being in a division that's not going to run the ball that much um you know he he's a two down player of course you know I think I think we can be able to extend his career cuz you know when you got people like Wilkins and and um and even Butler you know they could play the run as well and hopefully we get to the point where Tyreek can play The Run um you know it's gonna work out fine it's gonna work out fine um you know we're we're bargain shopping in you know so it's all about value yeah agree agree I mean with the signing of Wilkins too you know you would hope that Wilkins can be that allaround guy as well you know even with Tyree as redevelops but having Butler in there that gives you that enforcer in the run for sure that I know we desperately needed on that line um Turf where are you at with the resigns man your boy is real happy uh I think we really got a solid front for right now I mean real solid it's it's only a matter of time right now before offenses are literally trying to figure something out um I really think we got something dangerous and and if I'm thinking like the coaches are thinking in my mind and they're going defense heavy man I'm just letting everybody know we might score 21 points but guess what we'll be we'll be ahead by plenty we'll be ahead by more with that I love this the rout that we're going we're going back to the old school Raiders ladies and gentlemen we going straight back to trenches where it starts where we get nasty and it's just time bro it's time it's time to get back to business get back to the old school if you will and uh start running this stuff for sure fact you're not lying at all so I mean where I'm at with it I I agree with each and every one of you there's probably not gonna be much disagreement on these resigns right here because we I think most of Raider Nation wanted Adam Butler back for sure you know you can still get a lot of good football out of Adam Butler Jenkins to me was the surprise because I didn't expect him to come back I didn't I didn't think they had any interest bringing him back I thought they would try to upgrade or at least get younger at the position but then you got to think about it right like Wilkins isn't a traditional you know real D tackle he can play in he can play D T you know he can go outside inside a little bit if he needed to and he's not no nose so you know if you lose Jenkins then you lose that nose you you lose that middle of the defense we have get it with a younger guy who we don't know what he's going to do right so I think that's probably where I'm at with it right now yeah see let's go to the chat man let's see what the chat talking about chat uh oh ca already we got somebody in here I see it I'm about to pull it up right now we got somebody here saying what the [ __ ] is Tesco doing make a moood WTF hey look we gonna get into that in the next segment but look man patience is a virtue right now for real it's a virtue bro so we I mean we gonna get into that on the next segment but definitely bro we we'll talk about that but how do you guys feel about the resigns I know we a little far back so let me go ahead and get in here man we got Mumford right r d is going to C uh I hope you mean get good I hope I hope that's a good thing our def is gonna shut down I like that okay there we go there we go now we on it uh oh Angelo says Turf we love the trenches trenches that's where you build the bully that's the bully they want to build that's you bully mentality it's all a Bas right to the line of scrimmage baby factual factual I do want to put this this isn't related to the topic but I agree man the the the white that shirt is fire bro that shirt's fire yeah I need one of those I could only wear the white on special occasions man I get dirty too easily though I feel yeah cash Lord Raider first time I'm seeing you so salute salute to you man coming in here gravy how you doing man salute salute to I'm him um so yeah as we can see uh connected said the defense gonna shut down Luda is in the building man what's up in the building and we G talk about this Brian we G hey real quick though real quick so is is it confirmed that all four of us gonna go to the draft I'm 90% what I was gonna say rundown is what you need to do if you don't end up going with us you need to have a live show with cow toown yeah I know manown know no prospects man talking about all of them he does yeah i' talk oh yes and I and I've talked about this you know um for a little bit just in case I don't go with y'all I got a backup plan but you know I'm 90% there as this man gets his stuff together because I don't see his face down there but definitely man I think I think the same thing sneaky is saying right here great moves resigning the Big Fellas at DT now trade for jier Alexander or Maran Latimore and that's definitely something we could talk about for sure um ran Rodriguez says you play 34 with Jenkins Butler and Wilkins and put Max and Co as outside linebackers oh [Music] yeah not bad idea all actually and before we go on to our other segment JB salute to you man wanted to get your comment in there salute to you JB so right seems like we're pretty much all on the same Accord when we talk about you know reigning our big boys but we there is still more free agency to go right so the next topic would be are the Raiders too quiet right are we too quiet as far as you know free agency and the moves that we can make um Leo okay we gonna started with you what do you think are we too quiet uh you know what it I know we get impatient we want every big name we see get cut Fuller um Williams whoever we want them we should go get them especially when you hear the Raiders got money right but at the same time it's like I think they have a plan on what they're going to do and what players are going to fit this system so I'm I all along since they hired AP I trusted and what they're going to do so I have to stick by that like I saw when um white went somewhere else you know when the Steelers landed queen and I was like [ __ ] we could have paid that we could have paid Fuller that like I get all that but for one reason or another they're not doing it so I'm going to trust it but I think the main thing I really wanted was that big DT and we got that so moving forward I think they're just going to wait it out and try not to try not to overpay for free agents we've done it before you know where we've gone out there and we've got the big free agents and they haven't panned out so just because we signed them doesn't mean they're going to pan out but I wouldn't say they're too quiet I just think they're just sticking to what their plan is going to be without feeling the pressures of outside of what we should should be doing yep yep yep I definitely agree um Chris where are you at are we too quiet as far as free agency goes so I I don't I don't want to open up the but um you know I'm looking at some other teams doing some smart things in this offseason I'm not you gonna start start to talk because we we'll probably get in that later oh you know will teams that that are being smart in this playing chess in this off season um you know I do like that we got um you know Wilkins and I'm I'm glad that we're not overspending on certain things like we've done in other um off Seasons but I would like to see a couple more um moves being made um you know but hopefully you know there's you know again I I wanted AP so I'm I'm going to I'm going to fully trust them but I I would like to see some some other things happen especially when I see some other teams really making some strategic moves man don't worry it's on the menu it's on the menu don't worry man shy away from no topic guarante not at all guaranteed but uh let be known before we get into that Topic in no way are me and Chris Steeler fans when we get there okay yeah yeah they're gonna try to say I'm a Steeler fan yeah oh yeah yeah it's G it's gonna be hectic in there we'll see we'll definitely see it's gonna get hectic how you feeling man are we too quiet what you think no I think we just right ladies and gentlemen I think we're absolutely just right we got that defensive line shorted up we can go either way with it we can can grab another young pup to make it ridiculous on the defensive line we can go cornerback right we can go offensive line there's a lot of ways that we can go we're getting money in June so I you know I'm cool with you know what Tesco is doing right now he's letting the you know leaves fall where they may and we're gonna figure it out who's you know who's left and what's in the draft and what people need I I think it's smart right now what we're doing because we don't want to overspend like other people did for certain people to have we let go right I mean come on it was ridiculous our dine that they paid for it was out of control so I mean that's chill uh you know some people think we overpaid for Wilkins I don't I think I think just right he's a 28 year old young monster so you give him what he's deserved and uh you know we did it for Max we'll do it for ever deserves it you know granted it makes sense for that position you know it is a business ladies and gentlemen y'all got to understand you have to put on your GM hat and it's got to be your money that you're thinking about on top of the championship that you're trying to win so you know we gotta be clear with we can't we can't keep thinking about it and I'mma be the first to let y'all know Turf been looking at these players you know as a fan right and it's only very very recent that turf's been looking at this from the GM perspective which was why it was easy for me to say byebye Jacobs byebye and we gonna talk about that too um but you know pull up on J you know he says I made up my mind why we need to draft QB defense gonna carry us and Gardner missu can win us eight games defense can win us four that's 12 wins Marvin Lewis making sure AP goes the 2000s way stuck on that Raven Squad that we're going to be like that Raven Squad which can be cool which can be cool until that play needs to be made you can't make that [ __ ] play and now we sitting here pissed off but it's okay though you know what I mean it's we'll see there's still more to be done you know I mean draft is still 40 plus days away so we'll see but J salute to you my guy salute to you salute Facebook Marquez how you doing no no comment but I appreciate you getting something in anyway man apprciate for the LoveIt the like button the like he put death on the o line I see it here yeah dominate the line of scri and that's go and that's basically what's coming next you know we're gonna talk about what holes that we need to feel as far what's left right um as far as the team getting built um Anthony says Bears fans say luk getsy is good hey i t t Tate wanted him and likes him so they like him for a reason bro did not look pretty in Chicago and it didn't but they they know what they're doing and they beat the [ __ ] out of us when we were in Chicago how how much of that was his fault too though let's be real he had no offensive line I mean who was his offensive line coach there's a lot of parameters there that we're not sure about as far as what you know gatsy actually really you know attributed so I agree plus one thing I always bring up is I mean that line was so bad that they wanted to bring in Alex Leatherwood Leatherwood that shows how bad that line they was like man we need to get better by bringing in Alex Leatherwood right like come on bro that is that's a problem that's a that's like being so bad at quarterback you bring in Brian Hoyer oh wait but look this I agree with Bri like why are we tripping bro Stefon Gilmore xaven Howard Ador Jackson all viable option I wonder what's going on with Howard yeah don't rundown test bro yeah none of them really pass Ador ador's pretty young Ador still young is he Ador is Young he's he's under 30 I don't like Ador didn't didn't uh Gilmore what was it last year Gilmore's old I know but is is he one that got the like the game-winning pick against us when he was guarding um Tay was it last year the year before huh uhuh uhuh no Gilmore was on the um the cowgirls Gilmore didn't have a good season this last year he play for before there the Colts no the Patriots right Patriots he for the Colts last year he did that's right he got a against he got oh right but win the game that is right remember that I'm like oh look at gil that game Matt Ry made that big run against oh man but I will say this though the last time I saw Gil Moore it wasn't good and that was in that Packers game he was getting his ass torched that whole defense was getting their ass tort murder straight murder but when when Diggs left I didn't think he played all that well like after yeah when Diggs went down yeah yeah but then again like we're not asking you to be one he'll be two yeah but think about it now now you're playing with a defense align that's going to CU one thing about Gilmore we can say he may have lost a step but he still got that mind he's smart he probably instinctual and we got a defensive line that's gonna put some pressure on them boys he might be able over Howard huh over Howard you take no no no no no I a saying I'm just saying you know Gilmore but I I mean I'll take either one but I'm just saying that we're not going to ask him to do what I think some other team did that's true yeah that's true right um I just I and I'm going to be real with yall I'm kind of going to switch gears a little bit but I just want to ask this question because I see everybody talking about it right me personally if I'm at the draft or I'm watching the draft and we draft a cornerback at 13 I'm not gonna be happy with that [ __ ] like I'm not I see everybody Arnold let's get uh uh quinon Mitchell at 13 bro like am I watching the wrong tape like what's going on um it's not even about the tape it's not even about the tape it's about the knee we don't need that at 13 bro so I'm a switch gears I'mma ask Leo and then we GNA go lay on the line right as far as the 13th pick where are we going if it's not quarterback I think it's oine guaga facts o line oine mhm I like that okay Chris where you where we going it it has to be o line there there's no other there's no other way to go we gotta go line I agree I agree I it's got to be o line I'm not understanding why people think we're picking the quarterback at 13 either who who are you gonna get at 13 that's worth well people think McCarthy or it's over bro it's you're not if you pick penck B Nicks or McCarthy at 13 it's a fail it's stupid fail it's absolutely a quarterback at 13's risking it at 13 you absolutely should be getting a starter for a decade period yeah he's not lying about I agree with that started for a decade at 13 you failed period so can I is this fair to say this and y'all can let me know if I'm tripping or not if we pick a [ __ ] corner at 13 oh he better be like S gner no no I'm not go that's what I'm saying to me none of these Corners remind me of Gonzo from last year or with spoon none of exactly none of them yes now now gono hey if we could have got Gonzo at 13 that would have been crazy let's go great great Chris cuz I've been saying this these Corners don't give me the same feeling like last year last year n no those last year ones were like you wanted those dud at 13 Gonzalez wither spoon no question let's do that but you said at 13 but keeping with the draft what if later in the first round we trade in or trade back whatever and we take one of those quarterbacks at the end of the first round would you be mad then corner or quarter you talking about Corner quarter quarter quarterback oh like you trade up first round yeah at the end nah you Minnesota moved up right right I don't like it the only reason I don't like it because again you should be getting a starter you should be getting a starter if you're getting somebody in the first round you should be getting a start after 15 I'm not gonna say you should expect somebody to play that's what I'm saying like later on in the 10 to 15 you should expect that person to be a starter and playing for a decade late rounds to the first you should be accept a starter but you know hey I don't know for how long but I should definitely be getting if I'm picking in the first round that person should be if not a ha starter playing half the Reps that's my point that and that's why I I always get worried about us trying to get like project type players you know just like I mean e even Tyreek Wilson like I hope he becomes I mean he has a the but it's just it's risky man like I almost want to be safe and I think Tesco usually goes safe in the first round he gets a guy who the team should get so I just don't like them question marks man I definitely agree with that um big one of 83 says they are using the Baltimore Ravens 2010 as a diagram for what they're trying to do no quarterback every other position should be good I don't know if it's gonna work though I don't think it's gonna work but hey that's just my opinion you know what I mean I'm already on that I I don't care if yeah we can build this Juggernaut of a defense that's fine bro that's fine but like I said when a play needs to be made who's going to make the play right like could made it for one point stop it man you mean run get there see but you know what though that's a good point though because even KC before they drafted Mahomes they had a good team and Alex Smith couldn't make the plays couldn't put it over the top couldn't get them pass they were like here and they couldn't go past it and then they made the move and got their quarterback and I look at it like the Warriors too remember the Warriors Warriors couldn't get over damn hump until certain things change and they got certain things right now but yeah you need Playmakers bro like you need and I think our offense is lacking that at the the the most important position but Charles says more like strategic in my book I know we are not used to it that's a fact raer fans are used to strateg let's put it like that we're used to we're used to impulse go get that [ __ ] cuz that's who we and if he's fast draft him it doesn't matter if the need is irrelevant right I I agree I I think the only thing that scares me I think that we all can agree on is that old line like them guards man yeah I'm unless we can find you know a guard like that's like later in the draft or whatever or maybe there's some guys and I know cow toown he he's he's been telling me a couple names and he's like but that just worries me man that just worries me so much we only got yeah there aren't too many in the draft guards tackles there's a bunch but guard yeah scares me because if if if that middle of the line collapses we already know how Aiden will be but then we know like no matter who no matter what quarterback it is man you can have you can have Randle Cunningham back there if that middle the line collaps is is is nasty hey we can go up and get Daniels and it won't matter right that's what I'm saying well no I I I disagree because I am a theer fan I'm on record saying I like mford so right side though it's still question mark the whole right side is a question mark like as much as I do like there it'd be naive for me to say that I know that he's gonna be a book in right tackle I I don't know still like we're hoping he's gonna get the job that's that's a question mark too so I I have to be fair and say that now I forgot we wait we still got what's his name don't we uh van Ron not officially resigned he's not officially resigned Oh I thought why I think he reside so they said they interested in bringing him back but I think it's Hondo that's been saying that they really like him to come back that's right yeah Ryner is still out there though Dalton Ryner I believe he he was yeah look I I see this comment I was gonna bring this up I respect what you saying but to say anyone could have signed Wilkins to that monster deal then why he choose us yeah he bugging that's which is another part people forget bro when it comes to trades and these players they still got to want to come here first exactly we can want them all we want dude but if they don't want to come here then what the [ __ ] you want us to do like overp them to come T offered Wilkins a huge contract I bet you they did right I bet you they did they for the ners were trying to get them the ners were trying to get him also yeah I'm I look raid nation1 we gonna say this right now this is not a Channel right now I don't think not one of us likes Joe Milton right not one of us be honest with you I don't know if you guys have seen him I know my boy ctown probably know about him too that jayen Wright what behind Jamir boy oh yeah I could [ __ ] with that he he from again Tennessee so he I remember him that ran Crazy Fast [Music] right yeah I agree anony get the cornerback in free agency bro like I feel yeah get in free agency not a 13 not a 13 defensive line we have it does not make sense to just go get a draft pick like that and not at 13 or 4 whatever our second round is it doesn't make sense y can look at me crazy but [ __ ] I I get another D tackle before I did that me too actually hey you know who's gonna be I wouldn't be mad I wouldn't be mad yeah Murphy was there if Murphy was there Murphy was the one I thought in my head think sweat will be there though oh yeah we can get later though saying in the second round that's what I yeah I I don't even think I don't think I'd get him though I don't I don't think I'd get him with with us because him and John Jenkins would be figh we need we're gonna need a replacement we're gonna need some dep that's what I'm about I think that's a luxury though I think that's a luxury at this point yeah I mean we need old line so bad and we still need a quarterback yes like I think that's just a luxury I agree with this queen V in the building back into the first little later to grab pen Jun that's what I was saying that was happening yeah what do you think you have to go back into the first or you think he'll slip to the second though I think he'll slip to the second just B run on quarterbacks though like if like honestly if if B Nicks I don't know cuz that's a thing man man like you don't want to put yourself in a position where you're like damn we missed him and then it's likey after the top three I don't give a damn at that point like just me personally like I I like how it's looking like you know there's a after the top three do you even put Rattler in that group with Nicks and him no oh you you got him after so you got so so so okay so who you got so who's your who's your your tier two quarterback okay so you know the top three tier two to me I have to put JJ just based off of the age whatever the case Okay pennis is in there and then ni but I don't think Rattler's in that I think Rattler and Travis are below thater three my mind in the tier two though and not okay so rundown so then if the when the top three go right out of the top out of the tier two you only want one of them dudes so like after the top three go you might you might as well be like damn I I got to get back into the first because you ain't G want the other two then you gonna be pissed yeah well because I'mma put it like this if it's not to me if it's not Daniels because that's the perfect situation at this point right like if it's not Daniel banging on some [ __ ] I don't think we're getting him man yeah I know I know the dream seems dead I understand it does but a Nightmare Man EMB breaks a nightmare look at the same time we're praying and wishing on these other ones right because now with panic you like oh God like you like any any big hit we gonna hold our breath forever and we're already scarred with that 2016 [ __ ] so Nick I don't think he's that fragile but yeah I get what it's been two years y' act like he Jimmy G exactly y making it seem like you think you get healthier act like he made out of glass yeah like I get he had injury history but he ain't Jimmy G like every time he gets hit We're not gonna be like oh Dam I don't know see okay but then then you read comments like this right Aiden is better than muu I love it reading defenses and arm talent and he saved ap's job I'm not gonna lie yeah yeah he didn't make to improve not going to be a franchise QB a could be yeah I'm not going to go as far as they sa his job right and all I'm gonna say is he did not make mistakes see every he didn't make mistakes man everybody wanted to discuss what he didn't do other outside of the fact that he didn't make mistakes like most rookies do and that's the part that you have to lean towards because he was making a ton of mistakes initially it's part of that growth and he did it quickly it usually takes whole season to stop making mistakes and throwing you know bad balls and doing stupid [ __ ] with the ball it's not like he play good end it's not like he played good towards the end man that's that's he did for himself under that pressure under that pressure under everything he was dealing with no offense whatsoever nobody on that team had any kind of offensive mind once Daniels and those guys left he stuck trying to figure all of this stuff out on his own I might add who was the offensive coordinator a dude that was the quarterback's coach probably picking his nose the last five nobody's bro I'm telling y'all man this kid has something it may not be with us and for us but I'mma let y'all know when it's all that and done that man's gonna be somebody I'm just telling Contin this conversation St T if we draft Rattler at I swear to God right I just bought I bought all this new equipment I will destroy all we did that bro I swear to God it's all going out the window oh my God bro everything AP got me excited for bro I'm dreading the season now because I'm like I'm the bro if I'm just go lay in the bed and curl up man had a monster my opinion was Daryl Russell look at his tape then will understand that Raiders mindset I don't really remember was good yeah from USC I remember him I will stay on the alc topic and I want to bring this up this is impromptu to topic but if we were to draft pit right who would you have more faith in to beat out Gardner muu gota ask me y'all know me it's Grim H it's Grim it's Grim ain't it that's that's what I'm saying don't trade up bro if you don't trade up for a quarterback look at the [ __ ] we're talking about you see the [ __ ] like that's what I'm saying it's depressing we don't I don't know man it a it ain't depressing to me I meanion I don't think man I don't I like a I'm I'm sticking with my guy T toes down man we gonna fight this out that's just because the dream is dead now he's let me see what everybody saying if if if it was between penix or AOC Chad let us know who's beating Gardner menu who's doing it a or p just put a a in or a year like to come in and yeah yeah like if we draft him this year you think if we yeah if we draft penic this year I think AOC ends up the starter still yeah if he starts to [ __ ] if he but like on a thin thread because a lot of us fans want that future QB that if he starts to [ __ ] up we're gon to be screaming and yelling for penic especially if he has a good preseason because you know how we love when players do good in the preseason yeah we must remember the zero points you know when Chris wanted to trade that man in ALC so quick was at the game I get it like you just it wasn't even to replace him but to get a spark that game just to change it up a little bit like I get it I don't know why people were so mad at you Chris for saying that do hey I was so done I was done bro I done he didn't lose that game he didn't win it but he didn't lose it that wasn't on him right you know and I was remembering I was talking to Jason said we should I was the one that said just keep him in there but I will admit he lost heally got us in SC position and rro fumbled bro could have been a 17 rro fumbled that ball we could have scored I mean I'm telling y'all he didn't lose that gameo the problem comes he didn't win it but it goes back to what Turf says about he he doesn't make mistakes where we don't lose but he ain't making those big plays like and saying to win either those big plays will come and we saw them we saw them we saw the bombs to Adams we saw mayor bomb those plays are coming he's a rookie he was a rookie I I'm just telling y'all right it's coming yall see there should def there should definitely be uh progression on it we don't see it I'm be like bro I agree I agree if he can't beat hey I'm letting y'all know right now if he can't beat out menu it is time for him to go I don't think he will I don't think we already saying so that's when we put it on the table you don't think he's gonna beat muu for one muu to Scrappy way Scrappy not he ain't giving up on no play crappy man he's a ball so then that that goes back to this point if we were to draft pennic in the second or into the first you would expect the competition to really be between penx and muu absolutely absolutely at least a closer one a closer yeah is that where you at too Leo I I think penck over AOC honestly yeah I have to agree and turf don't Turf don't believe I don't agree I don't believe in any of those rookies outside no remember I said I said that if we get Daniels I get it if we put him in I don't want to because I think we ruin him somewhat but I get it if we get him and put him in because a he's gonna probably end up being the best quarterback of the three we have and if that's the case then it doesn't make sense to sit him just because he's a rookie and that's coming from tur who tells you that your chances of getting a Super Bowl with a rookie is nothing right so I'm telling y'all if he beats him out he should play meaning hey I'm I'm succeeding and not even coming close or sniffing those those you know real games see but you don't want to concede that this man has better talent I mean you just look P I think ALC when it all comes down to it I think ALC is going to be the one with the actual better Talent like overall just Talent like I think pen has more atticism right AR better arm guess who statistically has the better accuracy part of that out of any of those quarterbacks you're talking about is ALC based on Purdue talk Purdue yes he was a rookie last year guys for crying out loud give him a he was a rookie on the team that fired their coach halfway through and had no I'm talking about how he looked I'm saying skill-wise what you see by just watching him has more Talent Pen's armed Talent is is at least two times better than now whether he gets the game is different arm Talent meaning being able to sling The Rock sure I mean but hey I know a lot of quarterbacks that can throw the ball 100 yards there's a lot of dudes that can do that that see just 100 yard that talent I agree and that's my thing when I when you look at ALC and the way that he can time things and do things due to the lack of this athleticism with his arm like you guys are saying it's an irrelevant story it's an irrelevant talking point no it ain't there were three plays I can remember he under Tucker under thre Tucker or no no no no no I understand that and again that's all the timing that's what I'm trying to say eventually this stuff is going to work for him he was a rookie in the most dysfunctional franchise over the last 20 plus years I I don't I don't know I don't I don't know other thing to say about this because I'm just telling name any other rookie that did well with those with those credentials coming into it knowing that he wasn't supposed to start just like Tyrie nobody expected these dudes to start they were supposed to come in sit back and chill and get get acclimated to the game and they all got thrown in there they all got thrown in there and Tyrie looked like pure ass let's keep it 100 100 so okay I put it like this though right okay I understand what you're saying but the problem will still arise no matter what we don't have that Dynamic playmaker at that position he's not gonna make plays right he's G he's gonna take what the defense getes and that's the problem agree that you know in in today's time to learn how to make plays though it does you don't just do that overnight not everybody can do that stop you're a game or you're not you're a gamer or you're not a defense if a defense knows oh this man just going to take what we give him okay that's fine we going to let you do that game bro you know what I mean he won't change the game he'll just continue to let the defense dictate the game and that's what I don't like you know what I mean like it for too long and you can disagree with me or not for too long I feel like the Raiders offense has let defenses dictate how we play offense bro like I feel like that's been like for two to three years it's been like that we have no for the two three exactly that's we had off the last two to three years you know what was the perfect game was a great coach offensively and in fact somebody actually even brought that point up that Al was told do not run do not move that sounds exactly like what something that McDaniels would say or and he kept doing that after McDaniels left that's what I'm saying after he got fired he said the same thing it doesn't matter at that point he's so messed up it's irrelevant it's you tell me if this quarterback is so talented according to you if this quarterback is so talented according to you that in his mind he said oh no but McDaniel said I can't move no saying bro oh so you oh so you gonna tell me that y'all are just going to automatically disobey what your coach tells you so if your coach tells you he was G I understand that but it takes time for this stuff to move I I takes time it takes time nothing happens overnight fellas nothing happens overnight I'm gonna be honest with you if it's me and I know that coach was prohibiting me from doing [ __ ] that I wanted to do be like oh God I can do what the [ __ ] I mother G I'm about to do I'm about to make these plays and I'm about to play how I want to play he played how he wanted to play and what I'm trying to explain to you is he's a rookie at the biggest position in the game and he had all kinds of crazy okay but tell me this tur ask me this question what are we gonna do about his lack of Mobility what will you do about we're gon what we're gonna do is he's going to get better at that lack of Mobility just like the other guys that have lack of mobility and get better at it look I look at look I look at him like Jarry G has Jarry G in his career better with Mobility he almost made it to the AF NFC Championship game but can't get over the hump bro he won't how many how long has he been how long was he with the how long was he with them how long has he been with the uh Lions go three years I don't know how long exact bro y'all I'm telling you man this how long has he been with the Lions overnight you're not gonna get anything overnight bro one or two seasons is not gonna cut it it's just not you need time man I don't know what's wrong with people you need time man I don't know I guess this is the old man in me because I'm telling you I don't know anybody that came in and just was gang busted and all of a sudden now you know it's only special people that do that bro only that's what rundown is saying we need a special player just like actually you just said it Leo you actually would that just said it on the show earlier you were like dude there's no way we're getting a quarterback that's beating moms oh I do I know I said that but I'm saying that's not a reason but that's not a reason to want to keep AOC is like oh because he's just not gonna make the mistakes the perfect game was the Minnesota one he did exactly what Minnesota allowed him to do was that nothing more what game Minnesota one the 0 zero right what game I'm saying what what at what point season was that game was the season that was later take over game eight game n game seven what game did Halloween November 1st there you go soame was in December I understand that and what I'm trying to explain to you is it takes way more than a half of the season in order to get acclimated he has his limitations thing ISF you I agree he has his limitations every acting like you keep acting like there was a big progression by him thank you yeah no I you just say look I would rather you just say it was his rookie year he struggled hopefully he gets better next year but like progression see this is this is what I'm going to do I'm and I owe it to the fans I am going to do this I'm going to show you the progression and y'all might say these little tiny little spurts don't mean Jack but I can assure you that it's going to show up it's absolutely going to show up on film this year I'm just tell hope so saying last year we didn't really see it that that's my thing and I'm not Jord Love i' sit here and be like Oh by all means right like if hearers for three years bro now that's a quarterback who progressed throughout the season listen Turf he started shitty look how Jordan love played against us and look how he I agree I agree that's did was not progression bro thatc looked worse than trash his first few games he looked worse than trash didn't do anything I'm telling you he started making strides here and there you'll see it on the film that's you'll see it on the film you'll see it on the F before we continue before continue because I didn't want to get this we G continue all night but all night yeah with this one we can not doing all night Chris gotta get to the bar y b I can't be here with look I'm gon be honest right I saw BMF and then I saw that bootleg ass Tupac on I'm out oh man with the possibility of QBs going in the top four picks Vikes might like JJ uh M at four that gives the Chargers Marvin Jr if it happens does that warm yall up to the idea of picking no it's no don't do nothing to I mean that quarterback can get in the league and still get his ass cooked Marvin Harrison Jr so at the end of the day bro I don't know it don't it don't give me that thing what about y'all Marvin Harrison Jr is the number one pick in in just period he's the Surefire pick I don't know anybody else that's betting money that any of these people are going to do better than him in the NFL yeah if I agree with anybody wants to bet me on that I'm your I am your ticket come if this league wasn't so quarterback driven I would see Marvin Harrison going number one on pure talent alone yeah like but if if this league wasn't so quarterback driven I would think Harrison would be number one without question I agree what if we tackle in round one guard in round two how would y'all feel I guard I don't know I don't know enough about the guard round pick though the guard that's worthy of that though yeah I think you start looking at three on down for that for guards I think cuz with two you don't know who's gonna be there you like at two anybody can sliit and then you can you might as well grab something like if my boy if my boy Newton is there in the second round boy oh dear God that with oh that's the big boy you like call Newton yeah bro Newton Newton is real I like him better than Murphy that's just my I would take Newton and a heartbeat if he's there at 13 I think that you have to do you you're not big on Newton right Chris uh I like Murphy better like Murphy too I think for our dline Murphy might fit uh because we don't need him to be dynamic I put it like that because we have Dynamic people see that part I agree with I agree little better that's why I was think right thinking sweat because of a big just immovable guy that allows everybody else around him to just cause Havoc oh yeah like have you seen y'all looked at Aaron Donald you know how he retired in [ __ ] have y'all seen like the highlights where three [ __ ] people were blocking that dude at one time like I want to teackle like that though I agre I agree I you take up three [ __ ] alone like come on man that was [ __ ] crazy I think sweat does that he's a massive dude he's a massive dude and no's massive I like him with and uh oh boy on the other side man and even possibly with the fourman front I don't see what's I don't see how anybody defends that yeah can you imagine that sweat Crosby very Tyrie that that's that's nasty now I'll tell you right now Bruce Turf is not the biggest Drake May fan I don't know why he don't like Drake may he calls him the Mitch trabis of the DRFT this man bro I why what did M Tris do that's identical to Drake may he had one year in a in a division that really didn't matter much and he panned out before we say that ACC don't matter I remember people saying when Florida State got left out that the ACC was good I never said that I said that I never said that what I said is that Florida State deserve in based on they did and the only reason they weren't was because they had no qu I'll cut back to you on this Turf I this ain't the first year I've heard of Dre I put it like that I I was hearing about him I heard about him from last year yeah everyone was saying that him and Caleb was gonna be one and two no was talking about trabis nobody was talking about trabis when he came out not the year before not the year like this dude no and a years in make it like this he was sore right he came out as a sophomore right who Drake May he's coming out J yeah one year he played one year at North Carolina right second oh so he played two played the knock on Drake was that this past season was as uh wasn't a big a season as there you go was as good as last the knock on him the the the same year that Caleb went off Drake May went off also so that's why this year they were one and two this past year Drake M kind of took a little step back a little bit like what happened people said it was the coordinator there wasn't enough whatever but yeah I like him I do I do I like Drake man we better get Xavier worthy Davis is that you Al Davis was here that would be our number 13 right there we would nobody would be arguing beers and overs I bet OG Raider 05 805 I bet money I will bet money I'm ready to bet that we don't get one they can take Rattler the Broncos QB room straight trash I hope they do that well they have to take a quter first round that is stupid JJ before R yeah that's a fact oh no they they'll take J I think they're the on looking at BO Knick right yeah they are looking at BO knck the one looking at Bock I love that because that's a huge mistake I love that worse I think he's worse than me yeah I don't I think that I'm G be honest we gonna bring it up and we gonna talk about it right here Hondo said AP don't care if he sells the farm and he wants his guy we think his fans I won't let it die damn it I won't not until the draft not until the draft comes bro I still think chance I won't let it die chance you you never know yeah I think it's a little more dead now because of what Chicago did but how expensive that's going to be now I'm ready to gamble you got keep that same energy when I when we go to Vegas uh in a in a casino look look you don't go you don't go to the casino expecting not to make or lose no money you expect some money you don't go to break even I you go to the casino you can't be mad if you lose when you go to the casino you can't be mad you feel me I go to the casino I got nut in hand whatever [ __ ] happens happens at that [ __ ] point you feel saying you're like you see this stack this shit's either growing or disappearing one or the other that's the mentality you go in there with yeah that that price is GNA be something so ridiculous it is it have too many holes man like it is like o line man like if if we draft him we're not going to have no o line that's true what do you mean how I know how we gonna get him we gonna wash dishes like what we doing so I'm just saying I'm just saying it's impossible to find a starting guard in the fourth round maybe but but then again you like they mord more than me I will say I did okay I can't be naive and be like move yall up next to each other yeah I don't think he's gonna work right but I'm not wait wait wait you say what you don't think who's gonna work think that they is gonna work I don't automatically but I do have I do have though I do have F right this because I saw him play left and right tackle bro and he played it well he he he he did do he he exceeded expectations when he came at left tackle I okay if I can see at the at the rate he was playing it at right I know and when he got in that right tackle you can you can correct me if I'm wrong I felt like our our Run game got better when he was at right tackle when he because he has a certain I like bro I think he got that nasty toe I agree with that go get one of them man go get one of them tackles at 13 and let's rock man I'm sorry sorry I get that I like Jaden the idea J is amazing the idea he knows AP is such a great story it touches my heart but no I don't want to have to reach in my wallet and give you everything for the next 20 years bro all rundown said there's that one guard is still available what's his name um got violator in the building Ryner D Ryner why okay so say we saw we signed dton Weisler we signed him Chris right before the draft so now going into the draft we have him Mumford would you still be mad if we did the trade and lost those first two picks wait say it again so we already got so dton ragner and what else you got rner no you put Ryner at the Right Guard right at the right tackle right right tackle Wagner has your depth at tackle you feel what I'm saying if he's good if he's good you might have to [ __ ] around so we signed the guard in the free agency I'm not trading up man I'm sorry manam fuaga because we drafted a quarterback up in the draft okay [ __ ] it we can hopefully build later on but that's the only one the only for Jaden if we move up and get [ __ ] JJ McCarthy oh my [ __ ] god Happ I'm letting y'all know if that happens I'm leaving Detroit that night I'm I'll be right behind you I swear to God I swear to I I booked the room until Saturday if we trade up and and go get J I'm going that night I agree I'm with you on that say this right because I do wanna I know you going along the lines Chris is saying I don't want to give up all that Capital right but see me right this is probably where it goes the difference of opinion I I'm automatically on that train like we get that imagine if this [ __ ] works oh my God bro I mean if it works we just that's like you just put $10 in you look back one day you got a [ __ ] million in there you like oh my God bro what did I if that works dude it goes back to the casino thing you put in your first 20 and you hit that jackpot on that first 20 and get I I love the casino [ __ ] because AP playing with house money right now he basically so like Turf always says I'll go to Turf I'll give Turf his credit if I'm going though hold on Gamble I'm G gamble on the [ __ ] that I know bro like now and I put it to you like this too Chris just for for example say I got a ESPN deal them [ __ ] look at me like you get three co-host who the [ __ ] you think I'm gonna pick bro I know else you think I'm g go somewhere else that I don't know bro I know what y let's do it I like that one I like that one look at each other like hey man he he just use that to try to play with our heart man Us in there like he G he gonna bring us n man I'm I don't care man come on man you know what time it is man that's what he doing uh oh penck beating the stash and double chit wait which one's double CH that's ALC ALC does not look like far yeah he does not far from Super Troopers you think he does or you think he doesn't he does not does not he doesn't look a part but hey hey sometimes it's like that like I I was watching the game earlier with um uh the Mavericks man my man uh Luca Luca don't look like he should play in any he look like he he be out there balling Joker is the same way when I saw I like who's this dude and then now you see him like d out there work fellas out there put in work I don't care what he looks like as long as he can ball right that's all I don't give I don't give a [ __ ] if he's a square right I don't care if he balls he balls that's all I care about if he balls the thing is like don't think I dislike a cuz I don't dislike him like hly if if we have to go to war with him I'mma support him just like I supported Russell prior Andrew Walter like all them cat like Carrie Collins like I I supported Jimmy G I supported all them man shame really that we had to support that really I'm support him but it's just in my mind I just don't see man no it's it's a real shame bro it's a real shame that's true I I don't I don't hate ADC I I hate him in Madden that's about it I never play with him in mad I down gave me a a torture whooping with that yeah I want to deal with that again that won't happen no more having battles man either I smash him or he smash me I don't know what the is going on when I play Chris I gotta get Leo in one time bro when I play Chris yeah I gotta add you it's bad bro every time I play we going back and forth I can't be Chris with anybody except the Raiders if I'm the I I don't win for real crazy that is we got a decent squad though Madden real talk not a quarterback ski is on your train ski is I know shout out to ski bro I'm just telling y'all I'm going to do it I will and I I hope y'all all hold me accountable and I hope he does I'm going I'm going to know what I mean is I'm gonna show his progression and y'all not gonna like it I'm telling you why tur you gotta stop that because you all are going to think that it's not big and I'm gonna show you this year why it's going to be big after the fact see I can't I can't show you until after the after he's you know what I'm saying Entertain You can't say mad we want progress what I mean is what I mean is by when I tell y'all these are going these are the small gains that he got y'all are gonna be like Miss that and what I'm trying to say though is are going to be way larger than you think once he hits the field this year you know what I'm saying because not only has he worked on his Mobility his ability to move be elusive he's also been in with gets before everybody else that's I'm telling y'all I think it does there is something to Happ to jump on somebody mentally I mean you know what I'm saying bottom line you come in equal if I got the Playbook two weeks before you you're toast so I'm just it's just what I see again yeah go ahead let me ask you this okay and and I respect that so you you think that ALC is gonna have the upper hand because he got the Playbook first but think about someone like Gardner who is a veteran in the league de you know what I'm saying like I I think he'll still be able to easily like by by wait can quarterbacks go all quarterbacks go to mini camp right yes okay so by mini camp I I think Gardner will be catch UPC and this is what I'm saying I don't see it and that's why I tell you if Gardner muu passes ALC it's time for ALC to Le I'm being I mean he's worse than third string because he's not gonna be able to beat out y I'm not a big Gardener fan but one thing about him he got that like that Baker Mayfield scrappiness to him he ain't you want to know what's funny guess who was a gardner menu fan and I'm gonna find that too that's what I've been telling you I was one that gner like yo that dude is all right and everybody was like you tripping tur and I'm telling y'all he was all right he's played for four different team now and look what he did without a running back and with one ride receiver at at at that's it they had Jonathan Taylor but oh he was hurt he was hurt yeah that's what I'm saying he was hurt so like I say I I I don't want him starting like I don't think he's like a starting material guy for the whole season but I think he's a good backup and and I just like he'll push He he'll push the quarterback room because he's not going to be cool with just you know holding the clipboard he will if he has to and he'll do it well and he'll help bring up the youngans but he's going to come in to try to take your head off in practice like he's gonna try to win them reps man like if you don't want to work hard I'mma work hard let's go he he coming to win he coming to be not coming to play around I like and I like that because that should push ALC to get even better and not be cont like this is my team I'm start somebody said exactly that they said ALC needs competition and I think that is why he is the perfect part of competition you said it he's Scrappy he's coming in he's a veteran he's G to make that man play will CU that's our previous quarterback locked and then when we got Mariota it was like oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] I need to [ __ ] step I need to get on this [ __ ] and it worked right that's what I hope it does for a too yeah yeah I think it will 100 per. um I really do yeah Chris Chris got show offended he had to leave got offend it that he like there he is there he is my bad y dog I heard you got i p the wrong button I try to look at another had the timer on oh yeah that's an hour [ __ ] that started or something put this up man because I wanna I want to talk about this before we do end up you know having to get out of here I do want to put this up right we talk about right fans and we talk about when players leave okay so this is cu I saw Chris talking with spicy on Wednesday about you know JJ and everything and how certain fans felt away about that so my thing my question would be for y'all in the chat and then we gonna go to them um how should we act when players lead right like when players do lead to go to other teams should we understand it or should we you know or is it right to have some emotion behind it what do you think Chris um so I'm all for um the whole once a Raider always a Raider thing um but again I I I think if you want to say that it got to be you know we got to mean it you know cuz there so much hate and even you know with the whole car thing you know like everyone knows I was ready for Carr to to move on but I never hated Carr even when he left it's more or less I I didn't like those car fans that liked him more than the team so that's kind of like when I would get into it with them but honestly I have no issue with Carr just like hey I still want Darren Waller to do well when Charles Woodson left the Packers I wanted him to do well I want JJ to do well like I want all them all them guys to do a good job man um you know but like people like a or AB Antonio Brown I I don't count him as a Raider because he never really played like cats like him or even like Randy Moss who kind of like trash talked us afterwards yeah forget them but I think everyone like Hunter rro like I think we got to give them love man that's kind of where I'm at 100% I agree um I will say this before Turf goes and then we gonna have a discussion about it right yeah we got to give H 100 rro love and all these guys love but then it's like sometimes the players act like right like they're getting done so dirty so egregious and at the end of the day sometimes you know I some moves I understand like I like I said with Turf on Thursday Hunter didn't have a good end of his Raider career went on there was like Hey I appreciate the fans man I appreciate all y like I said we all grown ass men but at the end of the day bro five years is five years and and we know you know how this fan base get but at the end of the day we gonna talk about that after but you know tur where you at um as far as how should we feel when players leave should we understand it like it's a business or is understandable to have emotion behind it look I'm really going give y'all some insight on this uh you know y'all know I'm of age right rundown reminds you of that so yeah I for a long time right have been more more so along the player side uh since the beginning right I started out liking a player started out liking players Right started out liking teams groups you know that loyalty like like we all talk about right but I have to be honest and upfront I was never looking at it from a GM's perspective I was never looking at it from a how can I have a Tom a Mike Tomlin career as opposed to the last 20 weave had and when you're looking at it from that different mindset and that different perspective these players as we've all said and I'm going I I wish them well I love them but at the same time bro next man up you know what I'm saying like if you don't want to be here based on what we got going on and I know what we need to do as a team financially mentally I I wish you luck but there's no more hard feelings and emotional sides to this for for Turk I've been too emotional over the last 48 years it just took it took a lot of a lot of people of age right that that could give me some insight on how I was viewing these things um and and it's it's very different it's very very different when you got that hat on so I just suggest people really really look at it as if it was your bank account I know this Cat 255 million but look at your $2,555 in the bank and then go get those players and see how you feel right right right because I mean for Mark you know you got to look at it different bro I mean it's people at the end of day because you in a people business but at the end of the day I am investing my money so 100% I gotta get bang for my bu at the end of the day but Leo I know you know you be going you be going at it with certain fans man I mean where you feel we feel when players leave you know what do I think each fan is entitled to feel how they want to because you get invested emotionally your view however you want to see it things of that nature but my whole thing is like with JJ like oh why is he talking [ __ ] back well because people are on social media talking [ __ ] to him about not being loyal I can't remember what coach it was or what uh GM said it but why these players should stay off social media for that [ __ ] reason you know so that they don't get all into it with fans about why they left and why they didn't like I wanted JJ to stay was I sad to see him leave yeah but I get it's a business I've been a fan long enough to see see some of my favorite players leave sometimes they came back that's part of the business um I think Turf made a good point about seeing it from a GM's point of view but most fans don't see that you I think most fans just get so emotionally attached into you should be about the team you should be about the shield because that's what Raider fans are that they don't get this is the business ultimately to these players and if they decide to go somewhere else because the money is better then that's on them but to go in there and say oh you never wanted to be here anyway like bro this dude was here on his last contract season and had a hell of a [ __ ] year you know all of a sudden everybody was Josh Jacobs fans again like bro you were talking [ __ ] about him two years ago about he was always hurt now he's your favorite player like no it's like it's one of those what have you done for me type [ __ ] and you're all entitled to feel the way you want to but also be real like with Renfro people swear that losing rro was like losing Randy Moss it was just rro like he had one good year and I like him third and rro but it's not like we lost [ __ ] aend wide receiver like I'll miss you peace out I thought last year you should have been gone you know and I like him but team wise I think you was just hurting us more than anything yeah um so I I completely agree this is great Turf getting heated how we get down fellas they don't know how we get down if y'all saw our group chat there ain't nothing compared to group chats oh no no I think fans be tripping especially Raider fans bro like you know get so damn emotional um but you know I've started to look at things a little more objectively as well like all right I I understand certain things as far as when players leave or when the team decides not to sign certain people now there were times like let's say the khil M trade I didn't understand that right I was like why the [ __ ] we doing this but you know as far as let's put it to example JJ as far with JJ I know it's back and forth but I understand why they don't bring him back I do understand you know what I mean especially you know I get he took a different type of contract with the Packers but at the end of the day I I had a feeling they wasn't gonna go above 12 it's like but we can't go above 12 because we had too many holes and now we talking about I mean just all the [ __ ] we just talked about on this chat alone right like right oine still right you know cornerback still and and then you would say I would probably upgrade positions before I would decide to bring him back linebacker we still need a linebacker gentlemen we still need a linebacker real tough yeah to a degree like I would say I would upgrade [ __ ] before I was like okay I'm gonna bring it back you know so I think it if it's a decision to make the overall team better I think like we got to understand that but sometimes as fans bro like you know we get caught up in the emotion of it and we make it feel like you know this is that's our dude this is our guy type [ __ ] but sometimes right we have I think we got to understand this and I think I said this mat they don't look at it like that sometimes like the players don't look at us as fans and like a bro like like for example Max is a [ __ ] that looks at us and he's like I [ __ ] love love the nation you can feel that I never got that with JJ I don't care what I don't care what most people tell me bro I hey I'mma tell you I'm Hur this might hurt a lot of people's feelings man but I'm G let y'all know man there is a very high percentage of people that play in the NFL specifically for the money and they could care less about winning or losing and that is even on Championship no for sure always one there's always one um real quick I'm I'm I'mma push back at that let's ask the Niners if that's true ask um yeah comparing Jordan love ALC who has been in the league for a few years but guess what Jordan love barely played and he started off shitty look how he looked against us once again bro he looked terrible against us that was not a second for him to acclimate that was not the same quarterback bro like the one I saw in the playoffs was not the one that played against yeah bro so it's like and you can argue you know he started kind of how ALC kind of started lowkey he was throwing pcks and [ __ ] and he Meek to end our game you know like he looks terrible but Talent prevails bro at the end of the day Talent prevails bro um I think yeah let me go down to some of these newer comments where everybody talking about man um wolf I want yeah my might take was Chile what's the deal man what's the deal you know we gotta shout out War man you know War absolutely war in the build Wai comment man I'm waiting for the one comment that he G that he gonna put up yeah hey you muted Chris you muted oh no he always got that one comment that get us going us just R up War knows how to do that easy Sienna agrees I absolutely agree each fan has the right to react how they need [Music] to% correct real quick man you're gonna get clapback though see my my thing with the whole like I I understand um fans how we can get upset about you know Josh Jacobs and stuff but I always try to put myself in their position as well because like I think that Josh loves the Raiders I I truly think he does like I think ultimately he did not want to leave ultimately I don't think he did I think when he got that tag yeah and I I think he wanted to really um you know continuous career with um with Max but I I think I Point man it's like you start feeling some disrespect at some point and again like you can't tell someone to not go test the market to see what their value is and they tell you what their value is and you still don't want to like honor that like it's different like you know like you like everyone says he's getting overpaid but you're only worth what your value is you're only worth what someone will pay you so like H like how can I go get how can another team want to pay me this and then I say more than likely I bet it happened like hey this is what they're offering me can you guys match it or at least get close to it unfortunately we can't well sorry about that you can't get mad for Josh for wanting his value but I no I don't push back and say this though Chris I'll push back and say this um if I'm not mistaken I heard somewhere along the line Josh Jacobs say oh yeah I would take a pay cut if a deal did he say that or was that or was that an Insider no no no no that was that was Interview clip with so that's my thing right cool we can say all that but when I if you say you shouldn't have said that [ __ ] that you just [ __ ] off your negotiation from there so when I come to you right and I'm like hey I think I can only I can only stretch 10 brother oh but I want 12 I play that [ __ ] on Al's projector hey guess what you said you would take a pay cut if a fing coach what happened said on L projector no run down is right bro because that's the harsh reality because now to be honest when I look at what transpired upon this it kind of make I can't wait to rip this down be honest I'm leaving up there for a reason milon to me tur he took 12 million he took 12 million guaranteed with no future we would have gave him that see the difference between what rundown said when it came to that 10 to 12 we would have been way cool with giving him that 12 guaranteed as long as how do you know that though how because that is a team can we deal that's how do you know the Raiders offered him that 12 we don't what I'm saying is there's no way that he take that in the same deal right that's my point you're saying how I'm saying how because he probably wouldn't take the same deal with us but then went and did it with them because how you know that last year with the free with the tag why would they didn't tag him this year if he's gonna give them the ability to say you know what next year really may not be we said we you 48 million it may only turn out to be 12 you out on the street B don't get H don't don't not play more than 90% of your games because guess what that 48 million we we promised you so correct me if I'm wrong does he have injury claws in his contract does he have incentives in his I think he has incentives in his [ __ ] if he has any injury incentive he's [ __ ] I'mma tell you that right now he's not he's already inj anyways that's that's the whole problem he's well he ran he ran the ball 340 times that previous season but he's always injured how do he injured man got injured saying is he's now about to have those problems because he was overused that year that's what he should be pissed off at the fact that they forced him to run the ball 340 times to be the goddamn guy that led the leag that didn't make no sense we had running backs to help out but they did it for whatever reason I know Chris and Leo sometimes don't agree but it is true bro like he's only played a full season Once it's true he's only played a full season Once averages 15 games per season man like what are we but if it's 15 in the first 15 and we need him in the playf Years bro not the last two what if those games he missed running back we know the running backs fall off at the end of at the end of their life bro we know he didn't miss that beginning of the Season we know he started missing games when it come down when we get B off last year no no no no but okay like I said the year when he led the league was his only healthy year the year before that when it come to that eighth ninth 10th game he's out for two games his rookie year same [ __ ] it it's it's happened every year except the year he led the league in rushia right so now now being hurt one two games makes you injury prone does it make you what I'm G say is that I don't see him being less injury-prone in the future that's what I'm okay which which running back which top running back is not injury prone to you guys none of them of them are not maccaffrey missed games so my fantasy running back miss last two years I need to see how many games are you telling me wait okay hold on so you're telling me you're telling me Christian mcaffry is not injury-prone but Josh Jacobs is looking up Henry Derk Henry Miss cons if you consist okay look I put it like this I put it like this I call out I call out hell players on this team as well being injury prone bro hella players D if I can't get on Diablo or Nate Hobs and I can't say that [ __ ] Josh Jacobs is an injury prone either when Chris say you got it that mean Chris you know who was a Raider running back that we liked and was injury prone Darren mcf was injury from r that was different he was that's not to say that JJ was like that was n bro no no so real talk I'mma keep it 100 run down I don't agree that he was injury prone but what I do agree with is the fact that he is going to be injury prone I mean you can't run the ball for 340 times almost a 100 more than everybody else and think just have longevity it don't work right but if you look at this what the hell does that make you look at this comment 19 a game here game there like football man football besides yeah besides like Max Crosby or like Joe Thomas like them dudes just don't miss games besides that everyone misses games every year bro even when Crosby played he was played on limited amount of play own [ __ ] reason physical game man see this is but this is my thing though I always say I always bring this up to say this if you're Tom Tesco I don't know this [ __ ] from timb to at the end of the day bro like I see but does but obviously it didn't influence it enough to keep him did it because if Tom Tesco seen this [ __ ] and he was like well hey bro this what I see so should we be mad should we be mad at AP for not fighting more for him for the record so for the record um Zeus is GNA play every game this year no no no okay I I want to make sure is that game this how about that is that you guys expectations that he's gonna play every game plays every game I think he will can't me [ __ ] about back the minute he misses the game then whate he misses the game I take it l but you have to put it the same way too if this man stays healthy the whole season we gonna look how the hell can he do it okay he better he better and this man better healthy clip it I'll CP it I'll clip it as a short to keep starred in the channel for the whole season to remember oh for sure but no you talked about disrespect Chris as far as how JJ felt to me it's running backs in general in the NFL feel that right now it doesn't just start with JJ they all feel disrespected once on pay valued you know I think it would have been worth it the 12 million honestly other people say shouldn't pay uh a running back more than 10 right 10 11 was what they were saying whatever so but then you see the contract that Barkley got and if I'm JJ Barkley got this why can't y'all give me this and he [ __ ] went to G running backs have done it to themselves we got to understand that part too let's keep it 100% running backs I blame that dude from the r his name Gurley oh gley G disqualified I'm not Listen to You Chris you wanted to keep Waller yeah he need to retire hey you know what iy let me let y'all know something real talk I don't think Josh is is gonna be good I don't think he's gonna be healthy I I'm just telling you bro he did everything under the sun for that that season he led the league and I think it took a lot out of him and you're just never going to see him the same I think we got rid of him timing I'm just bro you're talking to a running back bro I I yeah running back everybody thinks I hate running backs and I'm a running back like you know what I mean no we talk because I talk about them and as far as money is concerned as far as you know the way they look the running back by committee thing right I'm a running back man and again that's why I can admit they did it to themselves I never took my who took the themselves out of the out of a game on this on this uh panel right here who said oh I'm coming out cuz I'm tired cuz you knew if you came out that dude behind you was about to get busy you stayed in the game at all cost and you actually cost your team instead of getting out like you should have because you were too tired but guess what that is what they that's what they value that's loyalty that's right playing that game when your knee gets drained right and you got I don't know how many cc's of fluid out of your knee but you play that next time that is what they value a availability is everything so you telling me JJ never played injured he's they all play injured that's that's a given it's guaranteed there's no healthy football player ever ever I think but I think saying is true though we did get his man and and and we always talk about stats after a running back what is it like 300 carries in a season after a running back has is brutal that is Brut bro shout out to John for the Super Chat man appreciate it address that when we get a second but go ahead rundown no but for sure like once you it is shown once you give a running back over 300 carries in the season some [ __ ] like that they start going down after that you know what I mean and I think maybe the difference between Zeus and what Josh is and maybe that's kind of where the Raiders [ __ ] up on that it's gonna be running back by committee bro he gonna have help you know what say so we're not going to be running that wasel running him the [ __ ] exactly trying to save his ass that's what exactly what only that's only two years though but that's only two years who he still had years before that where it was still all right like keep it keep this in mind after the first rookie year right we liked Josh but if I'm not mistaken after that second year we're as a Raider as a fan base we were like huh it was iffy bro it wasn't like we loved Josh after that second year I don't remember all types of love for Josh after his after his year two he he wasn't getting a lot he may not been getting a lot of yards but he was getting a lot of touchdowns that year um I forget which year I I'd have to look up his numbers but that thir year was the third year was uh what happened that third year that first year rookie year was cool the the playoff year that third year was kind of shaky yeah the thir then that's when Josh Daniels came in he had a good fourth year but what I'm saying but the first from what I remember Josh played well his rookie year I think he was out he was out some games as rookie if I remember I think his second year I think he almost played the whole thing third that second year though it was shaky that second year I don't know he he I think he started making a name for again I don't have the numbers in front of me but I just remember just thinking about it right I don't think made that comment about Zeus ain't gonna get paid like JJ you want to know why because they're not going to be stupid enough to run him into the ground like JJ either and there will be some leeway on both sides for everybody to understand it is absolutely running back by committee because you ain't every down back Zeus I'm sorry just not but that but that helps my point though like I think if JJ knows like hey I'm gonna be the Bell cow here why is it bad for him to want to get bcal money but he was need to do we don't need we are doing committee bro like Tesco said it's a new world bro so if Tesco said that okay let's just put it like this I ask you this question say Tesco goes to JJ he's like hey bro we about to do this running B by committee right for that I don't think that I should be paying you $12 million because we're not going to be running you into the [ __ ] ground get 200 carries touches Max looks he says no I think I'm worth 12 are you paying a running back you're not he that's not your Bell cow like that I'm not okay no okay I agree I agree with you you got it um so for that so with that same reason so with that same logic then you got you guys feel we're going to be more of a a running team this year right just more Absolut bully right okay okay so okay so you guys truly don't think we need to pay um Adams anything then right since we're not going to be using them that much cuz we're going to be a run heavy team first that you all just said no not at all I disagree because if you don't have somebody out there to scare people yeah you need you need top people at at every position top position even running back paying him quarterback money so I need you guys to tell me that that we don't need um Adams making that money and and we're not gonna pay him I argue to you Adams is more important to the offense than JJ is I would agree I absolutely would agree you think though I do I actually I believe that but what I'm saying for what for what AP says he wants to do though I understand that but you have to have a deep threat you have to have a click you have to have somebody that's I love I'm just trying to get what y'all think yeah you have to have a that puts fear in the back of your in your back field as a defense but I also think that JJ plays a position you can replace with three people you can replace JJ with literally three guys right you know what I mean like his production with McDaniels you can get that with three [ __ ] you can that's what they do and that's what they did and that's what they were trying to do until he realized his job was on the line and then he gave singulars are running back by committee name name the last time the Patriots a had three deadly running yeah but the Patriots had a [ __ ] one of the best offensive lines when they did that I agree but I'm just saying three we talked a whole hour about how we need to upgrade the o line that's irrelevant to the fact irrelevant it's irrelevant to the fact that they have a running back by committee mentality and they run the ball when they but they have the old line to do it that's fine when you have the old line to do it it's not gonna M well you can't run the ball he's definitely not passing so I don't know I mean I don't know what point you're trying to bring up because if you can't run the ball you're not passing it's just not gonna happen Okay I mean let's keep it real are a team that passes that don't run and they actually miss you're right no no no no you're right no but my point is let's let's keep it real them boys up front wasn't really blocking for JJ either you're a running back we're all running backs here we let's keep it real agree with is that man set his ass out and everybody saw that and was like yo whatever he ain't part of this okay and I'm GNA give you my take on that I'm just say that the now he sat out he's not part of the team he sat out all the camp bro he sat out all so you one that was named the captain by back you don't Jael with your offensive lineman during you don't Jael with your you don't learn how to run with your offensive line your fullback bro I'm that is the most invaluable time I've ever had in my career being with my offensive linemen and my fullback and having that offseason time that's where you that's where you mesh that's where you get together and you actually create that bond to where somebody will go out there and break a leg for you JJ just said I'm cool with that I want the bread see see and this is where I will agree with Turf and I kept saying it during the season y'all I I know I kept saying this to y'all he don't look right at the beginning of this season I don't give a damn down you're stupid I don't Fu bro he didn't look right at the beginning of this season bro he did he started guess what he got hurt he got his rhythm and then he got hurt and missed the end of the season so he never got a chance to needed the most he was hurt when we needed the most he was hurt and yes I I will admit the offensive line wasn't the greatest but you gonna be damned if you gonna try to convince me that we had a bottom five line bro we did not have a bottom five line we had a top 10 line we had a top 10 we had a top 10 whole I'm not saying like that might that's a fact we had a top 10 offensive line that's a by the I'm not by the stats and another fact is what you're looking that 3.5 if we had a top 10 o line why was AOC didn't have time to throw don't I saw somebody over talking about oh ALC had had no o line they were no I we were mid I'm cool with us being mid We're Not Top 10 but I'm just say like We're Not Gonna Act Like I thinkc wasc out of his own problem time to throw I agree I think that was ALC problems but he worked them out towards the end of the year initially it was terrible it was atrocious it was not top 10 it was well I'm just tell the league the league you can argue with the league on that one I I honestly don't mind that I I don't really want to argue our off because you being a running back you could actually sit and tell me if you were to run behind that line that was a top 10 line you you know well no don't look at the numbers you was a running back bro depends on who it depends on who what running back you're talking about I think Zeus averaged more than uh um JJ did right I think Zeus averaged four yards I was just gonna say that before absolutely I like I love my line if I'm getting four yards behind my line are you kidding me I'm buying them Rox and before we continue I do want to say that yes we did see Jos struggle with that old line but with that very same old line Zeus ended the game against the chiefs with that very same old line we saw Zeus play better in them four games then the stretch of the Season that Josh kind of had now Josh like I said he got his rhythm but always big games against the Chiefs man no I agree you about that come man I'm talking about the old line like the old line was trash bro was not I didn't say trash I said mid so means 15 out of 16 15 to 16 out of 32 teams that how do you how are you mad at that you had you said top 10 that's why I didn't say top 10 that's what the league said that's the facts of the league homie I didn't say that I'm telling you agree with it though everyone's here telling you even the chat crazy top it's not that I agree with it it's I don't mind it because it's exactly what you said we are mid tell us 10 tell us 15 or 16 I'm okay with any of those because it doesn't matter so matter I'm still I should still be capable of getting four yards to carry with a mid offensive line as a decent running back and if tell me I'm wrong man so so I I didn't look at the numbers for last year but I know the numbers that when Josh had his best season um because everybody keeps throwing this PFF up there so let's talk PFF if y'all want to talk PFF so I'm not throwing that up there I'm just saying I'm just yeah I'm saying if we want to talk about numbers and you know Josh Jacobs had the highest PFF uh Force Miss tackles rate so if if if we're talking about that he's he's forcing people to miss tackles so what I'm saying is his line is not I mean that those are like you know what I'm saying he he's breaking these tackles from these linemen that are supposed to be blocked by our offensive linemen multiple games we see he get in the back field we see that but that was that was part of the play calling too they were getting cute with these misdirections pulling go that was a whole another he was side stepping before anything and I hat that I hated that with a passion and gety I I agree with this is too as well you gonna be running downhill runs a Zone off that's what Zeus do you know what I mean exactly what Zeus do and I want to point it like this as well it's something to be said for the amount of [ __ ] we talked about zamir white at the pre season and how we talking about him now bro you know what I mean it's a whole different why were we talking about him though like that but I I continuously said this too Zeus ain't the type of running back that you can have with Josh bro they're similar they're similar Styles Zeus needs more carries bro he can't have like 10 carries and you're not gonna see what Zeus can do bro because he's not that type of run Josh needs same thing now now for example you get a guy like Squan Squan gets paid that money or 80 whenever Josh don't do that that's different this is where I think comes into play for us I think Abdullah actually will get some shine and y'all GNA see a different Abdullah because he's actually going to get the the the props as well as the Reps he deserves in the right offense we I I don't think y'all understand we haven't had an offense know me no you don't because y'all say that ALC is garbage and you know like he's just dismiss this man went through this kid went through more no he saying he's garbage but we're also not saying he's this Superstar who progressed team be a superstar as right I'm not I'm cool with the ComEd thing I'm cool the whole league you have to be that's the way hey the running backs did it to themselves by tapping their themselves out bro that that that's just the bottom line it's always GNA be running back by committee moving forward it's just what it is see and I agree with this completely I think that's how it has to be because Zeus is the type of running back as we saw against the Chiefs he gets better as the game progresses that's the type of running back he is he don't have he's not a home run hitter he's not one of those that's why we need another running back because we missing that we don't have a home run hitter I agree with that I know I agree with that Josh got lucky on his home runs know that's real lucky got lucky so now we like Jacobs ran a 444 340 do you realize that 20 carries for 18 games is 360 carries but they played 17 he had 360 carries no no okay 17 games it would be 340 17 games4 cares Josh Jacobs did not run a carries right Josh Jacobs did not run a 43 4440 Josh Jacobs would get walked on a regular basis in the NFL he got Lu with home run hits of blitzes and and and single safeties and things that allowed him to run somebody over and literally walk into the end zone all I'm trying to tell you is he's not by anywhere close the fastest running back in the league and in fact he's mid he's going to be M yeah me Josh Jacobs how do you say it Chris you got this you got this Turf yeah yeah yeah be like be like Turf you got this is where I 640 dude y he's a full I agree with I agree with this real running backs and this need 25 plus carries bro you know what I mean I think that's where Zeus is that type he needs 20 plus I think he needs 20 plus bro I beat Josh Jacobs in my 40 time I'm just keeping it 100 fellas fellas 40 times [Music] fellas so boy I am mown because I cracked the 4 six every every doesn't matter I'm just saying you can still hit 80 yards without running a 43 you just gotta have some luck bro you gotta have some luck so everybody so I I that's my only one question before we leave this tonight y'all go tell me at a 4640 it wasn't luck for him to hit 80 yards you say luck no it's not luck because for one a 40 yard dash isn't always your true speed man like Mahomes runs way faster than what his 40 yard speed Trey Tucker is way faster than what his 40 yard time is like man I agree with that but so is everybody else and that's my point so is everybody else those dudes running four threes are rning there's game speed and track speed I agree 100% and all I'm trying to say is when Josh hit those home runs he had one dude to beat he had nobody on angles yeah it was a blitz it was go find find me a play where he was Marshall Faulk and ran up the middle of the field on the trap for 70 something yards with a 4240 guy with the angle show me that and see where he scores just show it to me nobody nobody is saying he's uh Chris Johnson nobody saying like I his long runs his long RS they came from L Blitz plays where they had the right play called for the right defense to where he didn't have to out run a dude that ran a 4240 that's what I'm saying he just had to make a couple guys miss and then he took off no he just had to truck run remember the Seattle game I got a question I was right there front and center that Seattle game wait wait wait before you go turn before you go turn before you go because I got I got gotta dip out I gotta dip out I got Angel show I gota go to Angelo show but um before I go man make sure y'all hit the like hit the Subscribe button on all these gentlemen right here man it's much love all right pull back up on Sundays man if you want conversation like this Blood boiling not agree with day before you leave though run now before you leave I I I just got one point man I got one point tell Angelo my fault blame it on me oh please please okay so rund down I mean um Turf so you always say that we ran Josh Jacobs into the ground two years ago right and he had 340 carries that year right so but what you guys are saying he needs Zeus needs 20 plus carries per game that's what you guys said correct okay so 20 so let's just say 20 20 time 17 is 340 guys thank you so what so what you're telling me is you want them to run Zeus into the ground every season no 340 is fine and Jacob's 340 isn't fine you guys got me say some [ __ ] and I know he gonna say something but I I'mma say this right the difference between it is this Zeus like somebody said before I'm paying peanuts and I know for a fact I I'm already like hey I'm about to get rid of old boy at a at a certain point bro I he's gonna get rid of because that's the way this team is moving this team is goingon to continuously make the wheel right running back after running back after running back after running back so this is a different situation bro and we drafted Josh in the first [ __ ] round this dude got drafted in I don't know what round bro so we run him into the ground bro we just toss him to the side and then we get another it's a different day at different age man trust me I wish I about my running back a little different it's not the I know it sound [ __ ] sound cold but that's the way right now bro it's [ __ ] to the side you get another one are going the same direction bro safeties are going the same direction y haven't noticed all the safties getting W though but okay but then you guys get mad when these players aren't loyal to the team I'm not I don't not anymore okay okay that's cool then then that's cool let them best for their business so if someone wants to negotiate because they got leverage because they just led the league in in in RS then don't get mad at them for trying to do a business for them if we're not talking about loyalty you know how I get there right you know how I get down I sit like this right yes I want you back but at the same time I'm still on my bottom line I'm still on my bottom dollar you can say why was I mad at him for that why was I mad at Jos Jacob for why was I mad at Josh Jacobs for for for that he said he would take aay to stay with ap no no nope oh because you thought he was gonna be the best running Raiders running back ever and he he decided to shoot for the money because the thing is if he would have proved it that second year right after that first year and and back to back now you got everybody's support on yep pay that man and it doesn't matter that you're about to pay for a limit because you he did exactly what he was supposed and he got lucky doing that give it to tur like abely got lucky 80 yard running the I will agree go show me go show me where he hit a 60 yard and he wasn't lucky and I will agree on this I will say right every every every quarterback runs a 43 4440 every last one but with Josh bro he shouldn't have held out that's my only thing right I understand look and I get he has to make a point for his for his his you know his value or whatever the case but you feel me like him holding out [ __ ] him at the his career bro he's done I'm telling it's not it's not he didn't and I would continue to stand on his hill bro everybody can call me crazy I don't care bro he did not look right at the beginning of this season he did everybody could be like oh it's the old line it's the old line my ass bro this [ __ ] was not breaking tackles like he's used to like I'm used to seeing him do right and his Cuts weren't as sharp it wasn't now toward we start Tack and all that one didn't most of the team not look right until McDaniels got fired no I wouldn't agree with that no not all of it not all defense wasn't complete dog [ __ ] right but did did not the offense get better once McDaniels left the the team started playing better the oine got better the back got get that much better I don't know where like the offense was pretty much the same [ __ ] watching so then why have we sat here and said that the team got better when AP took over overall was the off better or was the overall they didn't have anybody they didn't have anybody got the def overall the defense and the overall overall got way better the defense got better overnight I mean no I know the defense carried the hell out of this because to me like I don't think the off like I understand like it feels different because of AP but I don't think the offense got any better like obviously I don't think we got worse it got worse bro they didn't have anybody to run it yeah yeah that game were good never ever been offensive he's never been he probably ain't even been an offensive coordinator of seven on seven for his kids he goes back to this back to this full circle I just want to put it like this for I do leave for all you oldheads I don't give a damn what y'all say I want straight up me [ __ ] Ito I'm betting it all on black that's where I'm at right now [ __ ] it hey appreciate y'all man I'm about to go to Angelo show hop over to I'm gonna go ahead and stream for my [ __ ] much love to y'all man my take it easy right n this is bro this this this is my favorite show man real talk this is this right here was my favorite show we authentically got the arue in front of folks and have a good time man y'all heard we're not calling each other [ __ ] we're not calling each name I'm not telling you [ __ ] y'all you're not real Raider fan everybody miss night took their ball and went home at some point we all was like I'm done like where's the Madden sticks at [ __ ] this I know right now it's like yeah I want to beat you with something I know I'm a woman hey I know I'm about to go on Madden and make sure I resign Josh Jacobs and give him a seven-year deal my offense through Jos I ain't GNA lie m i be I be getting rid of JJ and M and Matt I ain't gonna lie I I need one of your boys Turf I need a 4-2 guy in Matt I'm just saying that's that man if there's any knock bro if there is any knock on Josh Jacobs it's that and that's why I'm just being honest with y'all man because he was never a burner but I saw got be a burner do not agree with you 100% I I am right with y'all I don't think that's why I'm all on sin s McCormick everybody knows s McCormick runs a 4640 oh my God he runs a 4640 and everybody hates it Turf I'm not doing this with you today we're not here talking about sincere and Austin Walter we're not doing it today I'm not doing it I am not spending this Sunday talking about sincere McCormick Austin Walter is coming back homie y'all don't think he coming back you don't think Austin Walter gonna get signed running be buying the Austin Walter Jersey from you got you what number is he nobody knows nobody knows nobody knows he's number 32 32 that guy buy his jersey Turf you think I won't you won't where where to the draft I'm buying where's the draft I'm buying it hey oh man oh wow mccormic you know what I I can't even disagree with that statement because I don't know honestly I'm not going to lie he he played at UT San Antonio I the kid murdered that area I you know who cares about blocking I mean reading blitzes to be honest I'm just giving you game on who cares McCormick nobody cares about that yes McCormick is on nine Reserve so was Walter shout out to Randy man shout out my boyyy here Randy been here no what up Randy good to see you my dude Real Talk man I yeah I hope everything's all right man I haven't seen you in a while yeah he had that surgery man he ah okay that's what's up shout out to my boy severe Raider he said Matt gonna log your ass off if you do that like you're not fit to be playing this game yo this show was amazing he said McCormick is the great seasoning on your meals upstairs I like that oh man thank you dirty Eric and none of them backs but you know we you know we ain't gonna we got any more topics today man anything the chat want to talk about yeah y'all let us know cause uh you know y'all Chris is way over his time way over way over who is this um Turf you probably remember it says anyone remember that running back a few pre-seasons ago yeah we always talk about that dude um um was it Trey Vegas or Reas oh remember he was like the big thing Trey Reas and then like the year before that it was uh George umon Atkins I remember that one yeah yeah but I think it was Trey Reas if I remember right uh that name sounds familiar yeah that's my boy TJ s familiar but yeah Trey Reas I think he led the all the preseason in in rushing and we and we held on to it shoot he looked better than you know I'm not doing this with Turf I'm not not Chris Warren Chris Warren why does that name Warr for the Seahawks didn't he Chris Warren the third or something or Chris warren j Chris Warren yeah but there was also a treas went to Louis yeah Trey Reas Reas ragas yeah no I know you're talking about that name does ring a Bel for I almost think it was back to back years we had some beasts I think Chris Warren was one year and Trey Reagan was another year like they they did they was beasting in preseason yes sir y over here talking about since the one from the Seahawks I think was Chris Warner Turf he was e no that was that was a back in the day he was a baller yeah he was a baller the son though that's probably who it is it is yeah would shock me at all you got yeah he said yeah I think they're talking about Chris Warren yeah he killed it yeah that's what we talking about well look I gotta let y'all know man I'mma be real and up front and transparent I left I left all of football for a while remember I you know after I realized huh this only a couple years ago oh no I'm wrong I didn't leave that that that yeah [Music] Chris I remember him but I waren the third like I said this had to be like this was probably like I want to say during Gruden's time I remember guden talking about how his dad was a beast and then I remember Trey Reas was like two years ago or something and now I think someone said he's in the CFL now or something CFL yeah right that makes stop getting hyped about preseason running backs because I wanted ainson to do good so much I wanted a to bring him up ainon was going to be good yeah he stayed on the practice squad on the preseason team the whole time oh man he said Warren was Warren was that long 2018 okay D yeah that's five years that was a while ago yeah that's all I say it was uh it was him and then like I said I dream ra or V whatever his name I remember he was oh you're right he was he was up hey I do want you know now that you talk about now now that we know the Bears [ __ ] traded away Fields so now we're assuming they're picking number one right yes I was rundown was here for this cuz for the quarterback they're gonna take they're gonna take [ __ ] what's his name right um Caleb right yes they're taking Caleb Williams maybe that well they know what that's what I'm saying it's either way we're not getting any of those two because are absolutely picking one of the two they're gonna pick that's why I think the dream is dead too either them or Washington and those two aren't moving no more we gota we send some crazy ass package like [ __ ] that'll really piss us off it would piss us off that that's well okay hold on Turf now let me ask you this because so overall are are you a fan of trading up overall yeah they tried to get Daniels are you a fan of it because R rundowns like whatever you know do whatever is necessary I'm not going to lie man I where we are right now I don't want a mortgage to f i I'm a y'all can call me a flip-flopper we're not We're not gonna get on it right now we do it later because again I'm back on my a I I think menu is gonna push him over the edge and we don't need something significant at that position see that's where I am with it I'm okay with that old school Raider deal like having a gym plunket that was not an all star manager did not have a on EGS he's a game manager I think a better game manager and that's all we need with the defense we've built you give that defense that you give it a cornerback you give it another another depth person on that line and a linebacker is game over game over we we are holding people to less than 20 points a game period period we're gonna have to I think to win well and that's what good teams do they do tend to hold people under 20 points that's what all the top three to five defenses did in the League this year I would assume we close enough to it to where you know it makes relative count so so I know so Leo so I know you was kind of getting to the point of just the whole bears and all that yeah so you know one thing I'm hearing from a lot of our you know fan base is we screwed up with not going to go get fields for the the price so what's what's your thought on that now and again from my understanding I hear that he wanted to go to the steel so it sounds like the Bears did right by him by giving them a spot but um I I told you guys and it's documented the Steelers are playing chess man the Steelers are playing chess they literally they literally had the wor probably one of the worst quarterback rooms and now they're solid man I mean you could you can feel how you want to feel about Russ but having two quarterbacks with starting experience under $5 million I don't know man it's big bro no that's big no you talking facts that's big to to to them it's it's a very low risk High reward for them a lot of us will talk [ __ ] about Russ about Fields you can feel however you want they're going to suck whatever but even if that fails for them they didn't invest that much into you did so little investing into them you can get rid of both of them and it cost you nothing really you know if field sucks it cost you a six round pick yeah you fools online talking about give them a a third and a six for the [ __ ] wrong with you like what like no but I'm I'm not gonna lie though I I didn't think it was gonna go down to a six that's surprising that's a bro that's what I was at like four or five but a six I was like oh the conditional makes sense though right right I want to address this comment so he said do you guys really think Daniels is going to be great dude was not the Great l in college till he transferred and had NFL caliber players around him so fluky or actually good what's your thoughts let me go because I'mma let you know why go ahead look C Cay you are 100% accurate with this D I honestly I honestly would have never brought into this knowing what I know how I feel see what I see the reason my gut tells me to go with this is because of what rundown set and it may have just flew over people's head miss it is his guy bro it's his guy he's willing to go down with the ship meaning look I am going to mortgage this team's future and know I will never ever in life get another coaching job because of this and when you do that that person that you're getting absolutely is going to literally kill them for period period is he going to succeed somewhere else I don't think so and that's the problem that these these people have above us they already know they he wasn't meant for them and that's the problem to the commanders you think he'll be a bust I don't think the commanders would pick him I think the commanders are smart enough to say you know what that kid doesn't want to be here and that's going to be a problem see I don't everyone thinks that you know these these kids don't come in with a with an ulterior motive with things in mind right I can assure you that kid is not gonna play the same for any other coach I can assure you I can 100% assure you that kid is not gonna play the way he will play for AP and that's why I think we need to just go get him it may not be the Raiders and he belongs with his guy we all know what that is man we all have a guy we all have a guy oh gal whatever the case may be but the thing is I mean that that's fine and again it's a feel-good story but I mean for real but the thing is yeah but I mean you know it'll be a great Lifetime movie One Day the Raiders quarterback love story or whatever but no you know gatsy was his high school coach huh you know gatsy was his high school coach was whose High School coach Daniels he coached here in Fontana yes he was his high school football coach go look it up I didn't know that get he coached here in Fontana was his high school football coach when wow he he was coaching for the he Wasing for the I'm telling you what I was told that he was his you didn't look it up though let me look it up I didn't look it up you got look you got it look went from high school coach I'm looking it up Chris in 2007 kayy and gatsy were both graduat assistants at aaring I could see the scenario on for that's a different story yeah know oh this gonna be good he joined the he couldn't have been I'm just tell what they've been saying no he couldn't have been no the timeline don't add up I'm probably wrong but I'm just telling you that's what they've been saying Sy go by we gota we gotta be sharp with our stuff man gsy started in 2014 in in Green Bay in 201617 as their wide receiver 2018 Mississippi State offensive coordinator came back to Green Bay in 2019 there's no way no way yeah no way yeah no hey look I can succeed and and say when I'm wrong I and and he's from Pennsylvania so I don't know what the doing coaching High schol footall go ahead and tell us you're wrong go ahead I'm I'm wrong I'm wrong I don't know where I heard that but I'm wrong you probably heard not I'm pretty sure I'm just misquoting what I'm trying to say oh um J no but no no but to go what who you were saying Chris about the Steelers bro like that that made so much sense and I get why people get mad but when I I read today like behind the whole Bears um trade with the Steelers the report from the ESPN person said that there were five teams who made an offer to the Bears they didn't say what five teams that were better than what the Steelers offered but they wanted to do right by fields and then that's why they chose the Steelers so we don't know if it was us or if we didn't we may have put may put we may put something yeah we may have put something but but then again that goes back to like you can't just say well go get him like that dude still has to want to come here yeah I agree yeah yeah you can't just go get everybody you want no but now I'm with you on the Steelers thing how they manage their hey you get some love in there he said don't feel bad I miss hey what's all good maning you all show back look ladies and gentlemen Raider Nation this is not the first time Turf has been wrong be wrong it's not gonna be the last time Turf has been wrong I I was saying Chris Wilkins I was calling him Christian Wilkerson and then I was like wait it's Wilkins we all mess up man it's all good let me see I think I know what I yeah now the whole the whole offense scene is probably what has me the most worried about our team how I'm not even worried our defense yeah I'm not even worried because of our defense see and that's the beauty of it I see okay I get that but you got defense can hold you to 20 and we got D that can run the ball yeah so let me ask we're hoping they can run the ball go ahead Chris so you know we we keep talking about how good this this defense is and we know they're they're good but like we got to think about who our enemy is which is Andy Reid right I really think that if anyone's going to be able to figure us out and it's going to work like a dag on Mad scientists to crack that code on how to really take it to us is going to be him so like I I don't want to just I I don't want to just wish and hope that our defense is just going to stop Mahomes every I mean because it sounds good but you know what I'm saying like there's ways that that Andy Andy Reed is not gonna just let four down lineman just come and beat up on momes you know what I'm saying have counter be able to play chess and like on flip side we got to be able to score points like luckily we beat him last time with no offensive help but our defense ain't gonna score 14 points you know figure something out I agree no I agree it's that's why we're not gonna win a lot you know a whole lot of games right we're not going 14 and three you know what I mean it's G to be a close nail biting situation because our offense has to catch up that's just the reality and we play in the toughest division bro AFC we play the AFC North who's probably the best division now in the NFL and that's the division we play against and then you add our [ __ ] division already into that like that's that's tough I don't think I don't think our division is gonna be tough next year or this year I no but it's still rivalry you know like should side like as shitty as the Broncos look true this is gonna be the year they break and the charges are gonna look the worst they've ever looked yeah they're G look the worst they've ever looked in the last decade easy both of those teams and then people are gonna be you know clowning and cracking on us saying y'all division is trash because them dudes is goingon to be five and 17 you know they they're gonna suck I they'll be bad even with har I think it's gonna take him a little bit it's gonna take he just gutted the team but they still have [ __ ] Herbert Herbert doesn't have a single receiver yet last year they're all different they're all different yeah that kid see that's a kid who could run four or three four four but he can't catch for [ __ ] and and trust me Herbert knows he's pissed oh man hell he's looking for a trade OB I mean he don't even got a safety blanket in Eckler no Eckler went with uh Titans maybe didn't go anywhere yet no he did he signed contract I thought where did that go was it the Titans or the commanders Washington oh Washington was the Commanders uh-huh yeah commanders yeah like yeah I know Herbert is sick right now sick is he don't even like football no more I don't even know why I chose this yeah yeah man yeah we should trade we should trade for Herbert I know right hey there is a blockbuster deal they've been talking about I mean if you going cut your team and go get your boy JJ you might hey hey harball Harbaugh we'll go ahead we'll take JJ we'll give you something else yes all day I'll take Herbert you kidding me I would not be mad at that I don't care people he play for the charges I don't give a [ __ ] he could have played for freaking I don't care I'm taking yeah it's a I don't know man it's as a fan base I mean we're just in a funny situation cuz we we love we love our team man but MH I I I can't lie I I am still kind of concerned I mean I'm trusting what we got but that that old line scares me still and and the thing is if we trade up to go get a quarterback I'm not gonna be happy with that I'm not gonna be if if we're not getting jayen Daniels dude I'm not gonna be happy with getting the quarterback before the fourth round I'm just letting y'all know right now you said before the fourth I don't care who it is so you so even in the second no hell no I want a starter in the second round we got the 44th pick gentlemen I want a starter and there's a starter at 44 you're not g to tell me there's not 45 that starting I'm sorry no I agree but so then okay but but I guess the reason you think that is because you're okay going to war with Al 100% I'm okay with going to war with men you I was okay with that before he even got to our team I think he's you said it he's a scrap dude that that kid has been fighting since the second he's put in the lead yeah no I agree I just he's G continue he's gonna continue down without no fight but that's what I'm telling y'all if they pick if they pick ALC over menu it's not garbage it's not oh they just giving it no think he out m going to be naturally yeah if they do that it was natural white scheduled a visit okay okay there we go corner I like that I like that too no I like that a lot Le at 13 no man hell no hell no so if you thinking fourth round quarterback that would be like Jordan Travis right yes I I've already told yall that's who I want I wouldn't be mad at that mad get him in the fth yeah CU dang yeah I wouldn't be mad at that the way the Lions took uh hen hooker the Lions have hen hooker waiting in the thing just for for go the [ __ ] up exactly right because he's going to we all know it we all know he's going you know what though but what if what what if they want to rock with G and what if what if H hooker is a is trade bait would would you would you feel comfortable going to give give up something for him no not H hooker not H hooker I don't know had a huge upside in college bro he was really good he was cool but if hooker would not have gotten hurt he would have been one of the top quarterbacks taking last who's your guy I forget his name I need man I haven't seen him I want to get on his show L Cinder hooker he loves him oh hard Raider hardcore Raider yeah I hav se is he a Tennessee fan nah he just love ten hooker honestly he might yeah he love he Lov some H hook he tra the whole F he tra the f if he he like hen hooker more than or he like hen hooker as much as rundown likes Jaden Daniels there you go damn that's a lot of like maybe more maybe he might like him more than I like Josh Jacobs I'm with I like Josh Jacobs just as much bro I did I oh man but I don't know that that would be to give up the farm for him there's a couple times in the in the show I'm going to say something [Laughter] crazy that's a lot bro let's see hardore Raider just likes his hookers last name you imagine that on the Raider Jersey though hooker that would be that would be insane that's like back when we had Stoner I had a bunch of people ask oh I got that Jersey do you see got said I'd give a conditional six I could turn into a four for ending see that would be something cuz you don't know what you're gonna get I think they would want more than I think they would want more than that for hon though but I just I don't know I used to say that about that kid out of Old Miss a few years back Matt Coral the Panthers drafted him they never really gave him a chance he's a UFC dude right when that from UFC and he didn't even get to play he was on the Panthers yeah yeah mhm yeah penic [Laughter] Jersey I don't know man that's going to be different way different past different I want to know what this dude got going on because I want some of what you with man because if you think we tas's drafting draft but you know I keep hearing that but mainly because the league is so quarterback driven that all these teams they got like Minnesota all them taking quarterbacks in the first round but Tesco is used to having a top tier quarterback like that's I mean he's been a part of getting some top quarterbacks every place he's been well have fun not getting one this year not lining up I I ain't gonna lie I'm going be upset if it happens but Turf I'm I'm I'mma try to I'mma try to make you not Rush the stage but if they say bow Nicks or something oh Jesus Christ we got the whole tur we gonna have to hold them back bro y'all gotta get my bail money ready if they do that just get my bail money just hit up the cash app don't give it to me because I'm G be in jail hit hit Cheeto hit everybody else cause I'm going to jail if we draft bro Nicks in the at 13 and I'm in Detroit and see and people think him being at 13 is him like Landing to it bro yeah oh next I don't hate like y'all do I don't hate him you know I'm a fan I like quarterback that would be the biggest travesty of all I there is no worse position to pick there's nothing worse to pick if we got JJ McCarthy if we got JJ McCarthy I'm going home I'm tell right now I'm going home man that's how I mix bro that's how about ni if we get if we get Nicks I'm walking back to Texas if we draft B Knicks at 13 I'm walking back to Texas bro I've been watching more tape on McCarthy like the throws and all that like I see what they see but to pick him in the first round I still don't see it though man insane that high insane bro yeah it's it's insane insane there's no way you just had to be there man you just had to be there watching dud third and N third and nine and Harbaugh's like we're not even going to risk you throwing the ball let's just give run the ball we know our good defense gonna bail us out yeah it's like man it was just like what like what you don't want your quarterback to throw like you you literally are trying to hide him yeah all passing down he like [ __ ] we'll do a draw and then P all away it's like man I used to get so frustrated yep but they say McCarthy's the is the one man his St keeps Rising look like some people gonna have your baell ready man that's what's up there you go I appreciate that because I'mma definitely good Lord fact hey shout out to T Craig man he a cop man so hopefully we can uh you know what I'm saying have we can have him part of the TR you know we got a we got a cop man hey y'all know jail no try man start go me for Turf 100% 100% oh man I'm telling y'all that would be the worst I don't know anything else that could be worse D you know what could be wor honestly oh man I want you you know what would be just a like something that would just make me I mean I I honestly I I don't know what I would do if we drafted Joe Milton at 13 oh my God you talk about somebody that would lose it bro I would boo I would literally boo while we're there at the draft bro like that be hey I'd be a caring I'mma be writing letters to Mark bad reviews I'm doing everything both of us if that happened I don't even know yet my god dude Joon hey look hey watch this though watch this hey I guarantee there is someone in this chat that would be okay with getting joe Milton at 13 I saw it earlier I saw it earlier somebody was saying if you're okay with getting joe Milton at 13 announce your the bring yourself to the front of the congregation Randy said in the six hey MC [Laughter] La I cannot believe Jimmy ended up on the Rams bro that's crazy yeah that's nuts that's past nuts and they I think they paid a pretty penny for him too didn't they I didn't even see how much they paid did they really they paid a decent amount like wow like backup money the way we did for muu or I have no idea I know they paid more than anybody else would have that's for sure oh man yeah definitely PID more than anybody else here we go he said I know a great Bell Bonds [Applause] me y' y'all really need to help us on this one because I'm telling you if they do anything out of the ordinary after all of this we all going Randy said in the sixth round now yeah if we do we talking about something like yeah I'll do that I'll do that yeah anything six seventh round yeah I'll take a chance there shout out to watch Raider man appreciate you coming through we shouldn't we shouldn't he said all the Raider Syndicate will do a live from jail we will that would get nuts the whole the whole crew will be up in there like man what happened my thing is there's people hiding man I want who there there are some people in here that really really really want him at 13e I saw it like way earlier in the chat you go like all they don't watch they don't watch football they just don't watch football that's they just fall in love with like what Chris said when draft combine came gonna be one dude in the tank top yeah y guys with booty shorts in the tank top one I literally saw people on Facebook arguing about how this guy threw the ball 80 yards and we have to sign him we have to draft them yeah it's crazy it's crazy he said Jimmy the sponsorship yeah I saw that MC raid but yeah man I'm really excited to see what comes with this uh travius White meeting man yeah that's yeah I like I'm gonna like that one that's that's good just because I mean you know his I think his best days are probably behind him but just from a leadership standpoint and I think that with our defense align I think he can still give us some good reps man we'll take he what about we talked about linebacker what about Isaiah Simmons I'm not against him I like his athletic ability but seem like he just never been able to put it together so about like with the way with Co having coach AP and maybe that'll help that fol get that [ __ ] together I would was he um at Clemson he was more of a Flex between like a safety and a linebacker wasn't he what he play more though more of a linebacker I think more of a linebacker definitely more a linebacker than safety we'd be looking at that's why he stayed more at linebacker when he got to the NFL yeah yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't mind that dude no not at all yeah I mean I like I liked him a lot coming out of college I liked him a lot and honestly I mean because he was on that team with Christian Wilkins wasn't he so I don't know maybe maybe he could vouch for him maybe AP can help because honestly I always say I wasn't high on Robert Spain before we got him nobody was if anybody says they knew Robert Spain was gonna ball they're lying bull [ __ ] [ __ ] the only ones the only ones I remember being upset that he left were Steeler fans some Steeler fans were mad that he left like they couldn't believe they let him go yeah right oh [ __ ] he got $1 million who Jimmy I told you he got paid bro he got 11 from from the Rams from the RS yeah got I would have gave that fool [Music] too okay I'mma say it I'm here goes here it comes I ain't going to lie man I whatever the chat's about to kill me I don't care I think we was a little on Jimmy man I think I think we rough on Jimmy I think Chris no what but hear me out okay no he he did not play well under McDaniels but I I'm telling you I truly think he would have did better under you know once McDaniels left and he was able to play a little bit more free just like Aiden was playing more free when McDaniels left and I I know people think I'm crazy but if if Jimmy would have came in that Vikings game I think we win that game I really do I really think we win that game with Jimmy man like I remember that pixer game and how bad Jimmy was though no no I ain't gonna lie I'm just saying it's like no Jimmy's not good at all but I'm just saying we on your side bro I mean PE people almost treat Jimmy like he was JaMarcus Russell no I wouldn't go that far talk about it like they almost like yeah I think the the [ __ ] up part for Jimmy was that he came after Jesus so Raider fans didn't want to give him a chance he came after oh after yeah after the Raider yeah yeah so no M no matter who that who that next quarterback was going to be it was never going to live up to it unless they won the Super Bowl Ry hold on hold on hold on hold on you not it's not that I'm not an AOC fan because I did I joke around about these guys but I still support him I would love for ALC to ball out and I just don't see it but I would love for it to happen but I get what you're saying but my badf go ahead no no that was perfect I was just saying uh you got you got guys uh for you and guys against you right hey no Jimmy look bad bro he he definitely looked bad but I what what I think the issue was I think that um and I don't love Jimmy I really don't and y'all know y'all know I don't y'all know I wanted to keep s and and that's well documented I want to keep you know but I thinking about Jimmy though it's like I think Josh McDaniels thought that Jimmy was just gonna hit the ground running because he used to it don't work like that like just until you coach someone way back like he spent more time under Shanahan's offense than McDaniel like you just don't unlearn what you've been doing and then remember like I think he thought he was just gonna click you know because originally we know Josh wanted uh Brady so it probably clicked for Brady it would have clicked for Brady because Brady knew that like the back of his hand Jimmy it just didn't click like that so and that's where they lost they put all their money on uh your boy coming and they lost they put all they did they put all that money on it it failed they had to go with Jimmy because at that point it was too late to try to risk it on somebody else no yeah yeah they went with dog and he had a noodle on they got caught with their P they got caught with their pants down on that one bro big time I was like [ __ ] it but yeah no the fans are hard on Jimmy because they expected a lot how many games will we get out of him see h yeah because he's old I think might I think he might be all right man cuz like I said I I think with this defense Al line it's G to make such a difference G make I think so severe later I agree he didn't play well partly because he was dealing with that foot injury we did the right thing Moving on but I think he gets to and and that's where that's that's s is way more articulate than me way M great point he way more articulate than me that's what I was trying to say Jesus Christ he he gets too muchan he is a freak of nature though to his point he is though he is a freak of nature he is he's like a but can he play quarterback Anthony Richardson but worse but y look like got he got himself hurt what the third game I wouldn't say I wouldn't say Milton has a much better arm he he may have a stronger arm right but understand Jimmy was hurt let's keep it 100 Jimmy was hurt man Jimmy was hurt that foot was still bothering him all season yeah mil yeah Milt has man yeah he said but a great Prospect yeah late round yeah I'll give you that I'll give you that I'll give you I'm still waiting to see the people that being my DM talking about quarter like they would take a look at man for some reason the next time I see it on Facebook I am going to tag you on it yeah so that you can give them your two cents amount yeah I only got two CA they are all about Milton bro a lot of people are about Milton at 13 that Davis would have chosen I think the Rams are a good fit because of I think you're right Randy really he's not he's not beat Stafford are you kidding me and hey but Stafford don't normally last you all season Stafford gets hurt in the middle no I agree there's a couple games where you go with the backup quarterback yeah yeah at this point in Jimmy's career I I just think he'll he'll be able to come in and win a game to provide a spark and then be gone you know what I'm saying like like what he should have did against the Vikings for the Vikings right need that's all we needed yep having tunnel vision having tunnel vision Charles just be out there he just be he just likeed to this talk trash just again I hated McDaniels more than Jimmy never lik MD that is true he he was very upset when we got McDaniels I was hoping we would do good when McDaniels first got here like before he dismantled everything like yeah hey I I I'll admit I was wrong I was wrong about m d i yeah I I took that he just didn't adjust man I mean he's still just stuck in his quote unquote system and I don't I don't understand anybody that thinks that way you you can't come in saying you're gonna do what I said it just doesn't work Sean Payton's gonna try to be like that I think he is that's what he's doing in Denver yeah Sean Payton's doing the same thing bro you are right them and honestly did honestly was Groen like that guden 2.0 kind of like that to a point 2.0 I would say he was. so Hunter Alis I got a little bit of insight on on this Bama cornerback or any Bama cornerbacks today if you will right because moving forward now you're going to see a difference but there is a said person that played the league for quite some time that doesn't believe in Alabama cornerbacks as a quarterback in the NFL but more so along the lines of as a safety um we don't need a safety so I you know it's kind of hard to say you don't want to pick anybody from from Alabama right previous but with the Intel I got and then you actually start looking at film and understanding how they play cornerback at at Alabama with everything else they have I I like to agree with my Intel he's probably not going to be a great cornerback in the NFL and more than likely he'll get moved to safety whoever you're thinking of whether it's Kool-Aid whether it's uh what's the other kid's name Anderson I think or uh I forget his name but any of those Corners that come out of Alabama the chances of them staying Corners in the NFL are probably gonna be slim than none to be honest D Milner was gonna be good he right d Milner was enough I remember George he no him either yeah yeah what I was told is right they they're they're not real true Corners they're they're people that understand that they have a boundary on their side and everything else in the middle is kind of you know uh team effort so it makes it a little bit easier to be a little bit more aggressive right there's there's reasons to this and for this you know I'm not just saying it you know yeah and and again I'm just saying that's based on somebody that has played league for a long time at the position and still getting paid by you know you know analyzing and putting in work for teams that want breakdowns of players does uh does PFF play him to do great you know how what's his name shared who was that quarterback you interviewed Chris I can't remember Bruce Almighty Bruce Bruce Ro yeah what about him said that they'll pay them money as former players to evaluate stuff like that yeah 100% 100% pts is blowing me off because I speak facts and you can't handle the truth he he didn't even spell speak right he didn't even spell speak right man like come on man like don't no Chris CU he can't come from me when you can't spell come on man yeah that's the kid ter arold terion Arnold that's the one right he is good but again as as a true Corner in probably I like Mitchell I like Mitchell yes Mitchell is Zu who I want I mean too that's who I want but he's uh yeah but not at 13 that's too high I think I like Mitch I just I'm just curious to see how he can do with uh I mean because you know the Mac the mac's not as bad as it used to be because the ma got some Talent now but it's not like he's seeing no dogs right you know so I like I mean he yeah he got he got all the intangibles though I mean he got the actually no this going it going to be a pause comment and I'm not say so never mind never mind G say it no do it so I can pause you've been pausing me a lot I just say as a corner he got good he has nice feet and nice hips no but you need that though I get you I get absolutely hips is everything man in fact I'll never forget getting that comment from one of my coaches where I almost didn't get a full ride because he didn't like my hips still got that hip action though you can ask Wifey he said Mike Williams or Tyler Boyd opposite of Adams why are people so wanting to move on from jacobe Myers at two why do they think we need another two I don't think that it's we're ready to move on from him it's just a position that can be upgraded and that's that's I don't think Tyler Bo and I swear and I know people G think I'm crazy of course I know you got look at the stats and everybody think I'm crazy I I do not think that Tyler Boyd is better than Meyers and and honestly I know Mike Williams had a couple I don't he's just a big body I don't like him better than I like I like Jobe Myers man I like jacobe too but I think he's upgradeable I'm just gonna keep it 100 and funky I think he's he's upgr the thing we're forgetting man just like on that uh podcast with uh AP and Max man like they basically said it without saying that he is like the the best possible teammate and the best person in the locker room like they said besides Max he's the second hardest worker on the team right man keep that no I agree that's hard like hard it's hard to come by man that's hard to come by and then you say upgrade from him but like how many more number twos are really that much better than jacobe Myers that are attainable that are obtainable for us no I was going to say I was just about to say it depends on you're talking about because if you go to the 49ers it's like that was you know that's obtainable without having to give stuff up no right right right no I agree with that and I'm not looking them right no exactly and that's the key that's the key to all of this I'm not looking to obtain somebody and have to give up the bank for it because we got jacobe you know what I'm saying we Gucci I think we can get a big receiver in the draft yeah I wouldn't mind if they got one later on in the draft you know what rice is supposed to go what like fourth I'm not sure but you know what okay here's another question so I I know I know when you think about just a offensive scheme and and just like what kind of or receivers there are and stuff like that you know it's like ideally you want like the Superstar like a Tay and then you want like a quick Shifty guy um you know as a slot and then you want like a big receiver as the other guy but my thing is when you got someone like Taye who is the ultimate complete receiver that's great in the red zone and you got a good tight end I think Big Mike is gonna do some work I don't think we need that big body receiver per se but if you have him yeah but but I'm saying like I wouldn't like like right you didn't think Keenan and Mike Williams was a problem like see I just didn't like Mike Williams I I did I was never a Mike Williams guy man like to meev kind of feel how I feel what he say not Brian Edwards oh man I had so much hope for that kid I want him toce so much man yeah Brian Edwards was not like honestly I I would rather have like if you think about it in the in the Red Zone I'd rather have a um a hunter rro type guy that that can that can rout you up yeah that can rout like hopefully Trey Tucker yeah Trey Tucker's uh route running gets better give me somebody that's more Shifty that can get open real quick then throwing I mean throwing a jump ball these day I mean we have mayor for that I get you 59 right up against the Mike Williams at 65 you're not winning that bro I don't care who you are you're not winning that let's just keep it 100 that's why that's why it's a problem R rdb who was who was that guy that uh who had that game-winning uh knockdown against Mike Williams remember a few years ago it was almost it was uh what's his name U Isaiah Johnson if y'all remember him was it Isaiah Johnson Isaiah Johnson on the right side that they threw it up they threw a live Mike Williams and my man Isa Johnson knocked it down but actually now think about isaah was kind of tall he was like he was kind of tall yeah never did tall like plao TP like I don't know I think it's overrated man I think I don't know I think it's overrated like with the like Philly has what AJ Brown they still do that with with AJ brown but how yeah Smith opposite of him like who who was my man uh like Julio like I I just don't see J doing like that jump ball anymore like I mean they'll do a back shoulder fade but you don't necessarily go to be super big body for that you just got to have good route running you kind of see more the tight ends do how to run routes like you said yeah yeah give give me a quick guy that can do a rub route or something I'd rather have that than a big body it just that's wow bro bro it depends on how your team is built you always need somebody throw the ball up to no honestly right and and not necessarily speed wise you need somebody that can win jump balls yeah what about uh what about old buddy that that had that good chemistry with uh ALC in the preseason remember who was that what was his name dang remember him I know who you talking about but I don't even know if he on B yeah I don't even know if on the team anymore Johnson yeah no no no he's talking about Isaiah Johnson yeah Isaiah Johnson was kind of taller but who somebody somebody's going to remember who was that guy that Al really liked in the pre I don't think he's there anymore Wilkerson that's who Wilkerson was Christi Wilkerson yeah he was big he was over he Christian yep yep yeah he was a big dude dude yeah space shout out to space man appreciate you coming through oh man that oh that's a good one if y'all want Johnny Wilson yeah Johnny Wilson like again with with me watching a lot of uh my boy um Jordan Travis I I had a lot of Johnny Wilson that's a that's a big dude man hu seven now still got he didn't play much bro I didn't see him out there at all but I I almost think he may have been on a practice squad practice squad I don't think he made it I don't think he made the Final Cup bro I all season he wasn't out there yeah he wasn't watch say we he said we still got him yeah we still got him he just wasn't he wasn't on the team he was a practice player as you said I think that pass was to that tall ass tight no it was it was the uh it was the Mike Williams over there I remember that it was a Mike Williams Mike Williams but I know who you talking about you talking about the uh what was his name the other tight end I know you talking about but that no that I remember specifically because it looked like Mike Williams had it and then Isaiah knocked it out at the very end I actually he was scared and thought he was gonna Moss him and then he knocked it out yeah I know which play you're talking about yeah I thought he was gonna Moss him right there look forgot about Johnny Wilson though yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't now T CRA if we did something like that a young guy like I I could do something like that but I I don't think I to yeah I don't think I want to pay Mike Williams not pay him I mean give him week minimum yeah but not pay him he'll still get he'll get a decent little bag actually yep all right Gentlemen We running up on three hours man I'm you know me man I was ready to be done two hours ago I would only be on one hour Shi Squad is in the building but then you know sad is in the building but then man y'all y'all was getting on my nerves so I I chilled for a little bit and calm down I love y'all man I don't think y'all understand ladies and gentlemen TRS is amazing I we we fight like real brothers we like we do it all ladies and gentlemen y'all think y'all saw something today y'all a bro me me and Chris got called pixburgh Steeler fans in the chat yeah just I get all the names I get my my they hate me out there man all good I'm authentic there you y'all don't believe in AP no more then I'm like man we're not saying that right right right right he always goes to that bro too funny bro too funny man but hey yeah I appreciate everybody man but we could get ready to wrap it up and if anybody wants to go watch uh Angelo show and rundowns over there I think Papa rundown over there too man yeah I'm about we always we always support our own man yep I'm running straight over there right now so cool everybody L and gentlemen TRS is [Music] out thank man appreciate it y'day