twice fine three times if you don't get it as a clear answer that's kind of your answer welcome to Joe and Babylon I'm Joe and I'll be with you here as we are stranded in Babylon what nonsense is in store for us today well that was Dana Bash from CNN talking about her interview with Kamala Harris and how badly prepared Kamala Harris and Tim walls were for That interview now as is often the case these days whenever there's a big high-profile interview like this you took some heat from the left as you Noti some heat from the right what did you make of that criticism I mean the right their problem was that you didn't necessarily they felt hold her down on some of her more nebulous policy positions what would you say to that next question please that's it that's it okay I think you just said I I tried I mean you can't force somebody to answer a question and I asked I asked to follow up I tried to get more um into the nitty-gritty and get the answer and sometimes I me my experience in doing interviews is that once you ask once fine twice fine three times if you don't get it as a clear answer that's kind of your answer yeah what that's was one my next question actually how persistent do you feel like you should be yeah in these kind of interviews where you're speaking with the vice president or presidential candidate you know can you did you ask 10 times if you need to or do depend on the question totally depends on the question on the on the place you are in the calendar on uh on the importance of it on I mean there are a million factors it's really subjective oh you know the you know the thing