389 – All New ‘The Community Show’ with Courtney Robertson

[Music] welcome to the wp builds podcast bringing you the latest news interviews and fun for the WordPress Community now welcome your host Nathan Wrigley hello there and welcome once again to the wp builds podcast you have reached episode number 389 entitled all new the community show with Courtney Robertson episode 1 it was published on Thursday the 12th of September 2024 my name is Nathan Wrigley and before I get to that exciting news a few bits of housekeeping if you fancy getting yourself a deal at Black Friday well I have a page for you to bookmark go to wbu.com sblack and bookmark that page over the days weeks and dare I say it months to come I am absolutely confident that there will be loads of deals cropping up on that page if you are a person who has a product or service then please go to that page and if you scroll down a little bit you'll find a blue button which is entitled add a deal we'll go there fill out the form and we will gladly for free put your product or service 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WP builds that's mem bf.com WP builds and sincere thanks go to GoDaddy Pro Bluehost omnisend and memberful for their ongoing support of the wp builds podcast content like this simply cannot happen without their help okay what have we got for you today well a few weeks ago I unveiled a brand new show and I alluded to the fact that there's going to be five or six more to come well here's the second one I'm going to be doing a show every three months or so with Courtney Robertson I haven't really got a perfect title for it yet but the working title for now is the community show because that's what Courtney Robertson and I will be talking about I know of almost nobody in the WordPress space who keeps her finger on the pulse of the community as much as Courtney does and we're going to be dipping in every 3 months or so and talking about all of the things that have happened in the community what is happening in the community about the events maybe it'll get into code maybe it'll get into plugins you never know but generally speaking we're going to cover the community but this episode is a little bit different we thought at the beginning we would highlight her process for actually Gathering all of the content that she does and you're going to find out how I do it as well for the this week in WordPress show and so we spend about 40 minutes talking through how we keep on top of all the things that are happening in our growing and pretty giant community so it's a real peel back the curtains episode on what Courtney does and how she manages to keep up to date like nobody else I hope that you enjoy it I am joined on the podcast by Courtney Robertson how you doing Courtney I am doing well I am very excited this week the time of this recording we're getting ready for work Camp us and contributor day so that's on my mind a lot it's a good week yeah yeah it is a good week but um being the person that you are I expect you're very very busy with word Camp us kind of task not just for your day job but involved in the actual event itself right I am I am lead organizer of contributor day this week which means that my make WordPress slack DMS are overflowing with plans from the many tables we got about 30 tables each with a lead table lead as well as an assistant this time around and so I've got a lot of conversations happening this week if you didn't have that on your plate and you went to the contributor day which table would you pick is that an unfair question it is because uh I love this I am sponsored by GoDaddy and uh I get to contribute as part of my role that is not full-time I have obligations internally a good Ed as well um but I am my contributor role float between several teams I facilitate the meetings for The Meta team additionally I've been working with har Shankar in a subset of the sustainability team uh sustainability means much more than just environment it's also it really does yeah it's also economic factors uh Financial factors for the project as as well as uh the health of the project so the the metrics around contributing uh Hari and I have been really working on putting together some demo dashboards that we'll have a preview post out soon that shares how we so far are already tracking some metrics related to core training and the community teams uh as far as contribution goes and being able to historically look back in time and see are our contributor numbers growing declining stable Etc and uh improving the reporting mechanisms for that oh this is you you're just giving us gold for future podcasts here Courtney there's absolutely loads we can get into I should say before we get too far into it that this is hopefully one of many appearances of Courtney on WP builds because if you were paying attention a few weeks ago I I had a podcast episode with Ry Ry Moray from uh the repository and I explained in that episode that Ry and I are going to be doing uh regular episodes but not all that regular it's going to be about three or sorry about four times a year so once a quarter um and the same is going to be true hopefully for you and I Courtney Courtney and I are going to join together once a quar or something like that four times a year and we're going to discuss the topic which we're going to discuss today actually today's a bit different because we're just going to really introduce what we're going to talk about in subsequent episodes but um yeah so in a sense you've become like a co-host on on WP bills and I'm really grateful so that's yet more time that you're you're giving up into the WordPress Community but I'm particularly grateful because I know that you are very very busy so I really appreciate and I appreciate that you handle the scheduling and do all of the hard work of putting these shows together not just showing up here to talk but all of the post- production efforts and getting that out there it makes it I actually really enjoy all that stuff yeah I really enjoy all that stuff actually and nerding out on the the Google Docs and things like that so I should probably say what what this is so Courtney is going to be talking about well Courtney's going to be talking about community and you've obviously just heard that Courtney is deeply involved in the community dare I say it Coury I know of nobody who knows more about the WordPress Community than you do I think that maybe there's some Edge case there's somebody out there who I've never heard of who actually is more into to it than you are but you genuinely seem to have a passion for it a real interest in it you are really sweat the details you produce lots of content which I then um steal basically yes for the this week in WordPress show um because you scour the internet and you find all the different bits and pieces that are out there to do with the WordPress Community post it into various channels um post status is where I get um a lot of that information so I think it's fair to say that you are the person to do this show so take that compliment however you like thank you I've I uh have long been an avid news reader in the mornings soon as my kids now that I've got them are up and off to school yay for school age I grab my cup of coffee and I usually sit down and start scanning through the news and I get to do this as part of my job right like how amazing is it that part of my role means knowing what's happening in our community yeah and I often Elevate the things that are related to repr press at work and calling um calling folks in to contribute in whatever capacity they can be it labor come give effort to this or financial um I Elevate those opportunities as best as I can and then the news of who's got new products Etc a lot of that I'm paying attention to but that's part of my hat internally of making sure that my co-workers at GoDaddy that should be in the know about what the community is doing that they know that information and so um it's a it's it's a real blessing to find a job that picks up on this thing that I almost feel is an addiction which is staying up on the news that's so great do you know what's really interesting in there is that I I really like the the posture that you've got there what I mean by that is I how to describe this I think there's something nice about deliberately going out and finding the people and the things who don't necessarily shout about themselves do you know what I mean by that like we all hear about the people who shout about themselves successfully because they've shouted about themselves successfully but in our community there are so many people who do things and the last thing that they would have would be kicking up a Foss about it they just diligently get on with it do it do the thing and then just sort of back away and hope that it's picked up and and I really appreciate the fact that you go after those people and you're looking for those stories and looking for those things those events those people those whatever it may be and you do surface all of that and I I've kind of hopefully shared a few of those bits and pieces as well because I have that a similar intuition I love to to sort of find the bits and pieces that aren't necessarily getting shouted about by other people yeah so appreciate that that actually speaks to uh part of the health the project Health dashboards um on the last release without getting into it too much there were some people that were missed in the props list the list of people that had major features that shipped in in that release and some of that work has been ongoing for more than five six years um and it is something that many people depend upon and so I don't want to get too specific because I don't want to it was accidental right but um if you listen to upcoming podcast with Nathan you'll hear the folks that were involved just tune in wherever Nathan happens to be podcasting and I'm sure you'll get the stories yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah I know what you mean y um okay yeah watch out for an episode I think we're talking about the tavern there'll be an episode over on the tavern yeah okay um okay so right what is this one about then so every time Courtney comes on to this show the wp builds podcast released on a Thursday um Courtney and I are going to be talking about the community uh so whatever that is so that could be about events it could be about plugins themes it could be about I don't know some sort of interesting story that got broken it could be about a little bit about core anything really that can be encapsulated by Community we'll try not to overlap with the other shows that I'm doing like with Ray and you'll find out who the other people are as as those sort of come along um but what we've decided to do today is is a one-off we're going to spend the time just talking about where we actually find the community where you can go um so maybe this is like a 101 so if you you're really really really familiar with the WordPress Community you're entirely happy that you know everybody that you need to know maybe this episode's not for you but if you've got an intuition that there's bits of the community that you haven't uncovered pay attention have a listen um so it's going to be a bit rambly because we we haven't mapped it out we're going to just see what comes out but um interestingly about I don't know it's probably about four months ago Courtney and I got on a call and we we talk to each other about the process that we go to to create our news episodes for Courtney it's post status and its text for me it was the this week in WordPress show which is audio but I still have to you know summon up stories and what came out of that was how much more Courtney knows than I do um she really is like 10 the amount of information and Distilling it and what have you So Courtney it's a broad question we've got to begin somewhere yeah let's just hit it where do you go and if if I feel that you're going too quickly I'll slow you down if that's all right because I know that you've probably got like a billion things you want to say in a tiny amount of time yeah uh so I will go through this all nethan after we're done and make sure that you've got links for everybody that's there uh the first thing we start with the first thing we start with is coffee because we're going to need it and Nathan and I both ran to grab a cup so that's that's Step One is get your coffee or your hot beverage of choice because you're GNA be sitting back and and enjoying savoring that cup while you Kickstart your morning so I'm going to take a sip dear listener we are literally both holding coffee cups there you go so that said um usually the way I have done this is that uh in my browser I'm I'm a big fan of the arc browser um I've organized oh nice yeah yeah so I've done some some the work that I do is knowledge work meaning I need my my R of means that I need to know information and I've done some studying and thinking about how do I organize myself so that I don't forget things because I have children and when you're pregnant they steal your brain and your memory doesn't always come back back to you so uh that's you know I survived the the years with Littles in the night so my memory is good but it's not where it used to be I'll just say that so the first thing I do is I launch my web browser of the day and I've organized it if anyone has read about building a second brain by Thiago Forte he teaches the par method which stands for projects areas resources archives and that's how I organize everything every folder I make every browser I use every everything is my my workflow of how I keep myself together so under the areas I have a folder that says daily lunch and inside of that I've got several folders of things that I open up as my morning routine because I I don't want to overlook things and and let them drop off um so I usually will begin with my RSS reader which is quite for those that are uh perhaps younger but RSS readers used to be a really big thing I want to say 15 years ago and I still use RSS yeah so the one that I use is called feedle what this does is it allows me to I I started with Google Reader unfortunately Google killed it yeah everyone still Mourns that so yeah of me having to go out to find the headlines I don't want to open up a million different websites nor do I want to trust whatever social media platform with whatever algorithm as my primary method of getting the news I want to know that I get the things that I want and I don't want to have to think about what website it comes from and have I looked there lately so my RSS list is going on 20 years of stuff um and so I have it organized in folders I've got one that's marketing related one that's like General Tech news one that is WordPress and in the WordPress one and I should also say here that this also allows me because I'm on the paid plan it's like five 10 bucks a month or something it allows me to also um receive email newsletters to this and I prefer getting my email newsletters there because my email inbox literally I get hundreds of messages in my Gmail account that I've had since Gmail opened and I can't get through all of that so in my RSS list I have all of the news sources that I want to follow coming to me and I also will add in if I go to a word Camp I'll go through the speakers websites when they share here's my slides and I'll put them into my RSS Fe as well so oh boy your RSS feed is busy but it the thing is uh like I I have it collapsed so that I just see headlines okay nice and I only skim what are the headlines that doesn't mean that I read every article I want to see what the headlines are and decide then is that interesting to me to read can I just can I just interject at this point so I I also use RSS and basically if ever a website comes up which appears to show anything of Interest over time about WordPress so you know it's not like necessarily something like Tech crunch which might have one article every two years or something but something which is repeatedly doing it I just go and you know just append forward feed to the end and see if I get an RSS feed and then you know Google is there then I add it my one is called um my my my feedle if you like is called Sumi oh and it's called Su it's the URL is su. new so sui new okay and uh and I can do the same sort of thing I throw things in there and all I've got it set up so all it doeses give me the the title and so I'm doing more or less the same as you because otherwise if there was like the epert I I just be too too much overload and uh and I've probably got like I don't know a hundred news outlets producing Tech WordPress e stuff yeah and basically my intuition is if it starts with a number ignore it you know if it's like five best things that you can F 28 things that you can do with a I just pass that by but I'm captured by almost everything read the headline move on read the headline move on read the headline oh that's interesting then what do you do how do you sort of siphon off the good stuff where does that end up yeah so a lot of times I will take that over to if it's a longer article I'll toss it to my read later system which is read readwise this is where we start digging into some of the real gold readwise reader uh so readwise doio and that functions as a readit later system for me but I can also highlight things in there and append any notes there is some AI That's in there that will let me say here is my prompt craft a blurb that I might use in a newsletter oh right yeah and so yeah so I toss things there that are I need to look at this longer if it is something short or if it is something that I feel I need to share with others in a timely manner whether that is on my personal socials or if I say for instance right before this call I was reading Adam zelinsky's post that I came across about oh ni how he built a parser for playground little Dev oriented and it reminded me of a video that Morton Rand Hendrickson recently was on on Tik Tok iterating upon how AI is changing what developers do and how they do it so Adam used a lot of AI to build this system and I thought oh Morton would be interested in this though Morton is no longer part of the WordPress Community as much would be interested in the AI piece of what's of a developer using AI to do the thing so I just dropped it to him in a LinkedIn DM uh and so that's kind of a normal for me is like at this time of day if I see something that's timely or causes me to think oh this person might be interested in this I'll start sharing it to them while I'm doing it because I'm not going to remember later oh okay yeah that's really interesting because I I on the whole don't do that because I have because I do this thing every mon I know you do post post status every week so what what I do is I just take the intuition that if somebody's subscribed to my newsletter then they're going to get what I pick out and I um uh if it comes out of my feed reader then I immediately drop it into the WordPress post so on at some point during the week when the first bit of Interest comes my way I'll create a draft post and then I'll just start dropping the the links into that post that I know will make up the news story yeah so as the week goes on will slowly fill up and then usually I dedicate more time to it on Friday and and put all the links in there yeah but also if I'm just sort browsing the internet and I stumble across something that's not in the RSS but I don't know Twitter pushed me in some direction or I found something on LinkedIn or what have you I have a a fabulous Chrome extension called tab extend and uh tab extend is is basically it outsources your brain for tabs yep so it it allows you to sort of keep an ongoing record of all the tabs and it's not the usual like oh just collapse them all and don't worry about it till later you can create folders and subfolders and you can attach notes and you can put them you know you can uh give them colors and things like that and also it works in the on a mobile phone so if you've got like an Android or an iOS phone if you stumble across something that you like you just click the little share button click tab extend and it'll drop into and in my case I have a this week in WordPress folder and everything goes in there and then at some point during the week towards the end of the week I just go through that folder everything that is still of interest to me gets put in the the post everything that's not of interest just gets just gets deleted no um I don't if you wanted to know that but there you go I've used it I like it uh it it sadly was not cooperating with Arc most recently which is a Chromium browser but yeah I I will dig into seeing if I could get it to cooperate I really like it it's made it made my Thee I discovered it I was like that's the tool I'm not going to keep looking it allows me to just sort of save stuff in the past I've used things like Evernote and notion but there was always some much more friction there you got to open up another app whereas this when you open up a new tab it the tab extend chromium extension will reveal to you oh here's all the tabs you wanted to remember now just click on the one that you want yep um yeah anyway anyway sorry I interrupted keep going it's good so so here's one of the beautiful things about uh systems like feedle and RSS readers in general is they export all of your sources into a file called opml and yes for those that are just dipping their toes in like I've never used a feed reader or I'm new in the community how do I even know what the new sources are well one of the things that we could do this may take a bit of doing Nathan I don't know if I could get it before airtime but I can export my opml file and pair it down just to the WordPress folder so that people can get all the sources that are WordPress sources that I'm using and that's something I've done in some of the tech some of the other folders I've got um you know the tech news uh and also there's one on design Chris coyer shared Chrisman CSS tricks formerly shared his opml file of designers he follows I just slip that all into my Feedly system so now I have all of this oh right so I can so so he's so Chris in this case has exported a bunch of RSS feed into an opml file you you hit one button and you've got his curated list yes ah it's a bit like playlists on Spotify for future content coming through RSS it's a bit of an old school system and people have recently been talking about upgrading the RSS protocols and what it can Source but um don't underestimate the power of this in terms of getting the information that you want also don't feel like you need to build out this crazy system immediately so each word Camp I go through and I find I follow the speakers I often will follow everybody on social media but I also will then put the speakers blogs each Camp if I know that I don't have them yet into so I'm just slowly building so what people see yeah is something that I've been doing I've been RSS reading with coffee in hand since 2006 probably oh it's big yeah so at this point you know don't feel that you need to immediately do everything um it's a slow growth and I would say the same thing is true in the other buckets that I check so aside from feed readers I also listen to podcasts podcasts are RSS as well but audio format right and so uh they too will do an export as RSS feed and so you could get somebody's opml files for that um and I also go to YouTube subscriptions so my podcast catcher I like snipped because it also will let me highlight things and clip it and send it to rewise as well so that if I need to look back it's got the transcript and I could tag it and so is what what's this a podcast player did you say SN which one do you use snip what is it snpd snipped that's a podcast player that allows you to sort of like take bits and say publish this portion to social Med oh that's neat I I use it I can actually get it to give me like a audio file well it's a I can make it a video that automatically puts the captions up so I can share it to social media or I can also highlight things and maybe I don't publicize it everywhere but my readwise account hooks up to it so then if I want to be like I remember that time when Nathan said that thing and I want to find it again yeah because I don't want to trust my memory to find it again it will that is so cool yeah oh honestly Courtney you've just changed my life like the rest of my day is gone I'm going to end up spending absolutely loads on snip is that a premium thing do you have to pay for the features then so I do pay for AI and again it's like five bucks a month or so 510 a month but okay but when you're heavily relying on podcasts to understand what's going on in the community yeah it could be a worthwhile Endeavor I don't know that everybody should do that uh I I but does it help you sort of summarize things like you take like an hour of content and give me the top I don't know top five bullet points that came out that yeah yeah yeah I think actually AI is pretty good at that now yeah I I I think that's one of the things that it's remarkably good if you just give it a corpus of knowledge and just say focus on that and nothing else so I don't need the internet I just need tell me about that hour of podcasting I think it's actually really good so okay that's brilliant thank you for that I also check uh my YouTube subscriptions and so again I subscribe to channels and in the past I used to send everything to my watch later que and just have a watch later party in the background while I work if I felt like it now I said send it to my readwise account because readwise as soon as the YouTube video gets the closed caption on there takes like 24 hours sometimes for that to automate then readwise will uh get the it will show the whole transcript and you could watch the video and then if you wanted to again highlight and save for yourself some segments there it is readwise is readwise doio right all of these by the way I'm writing them down as we go and I'll put them all into the show notes and I don't know maybe CAU again what works for me in my role I'm not saying everybody go spend lots of money on a bunch of monthly subscriptions no but what what's really neat though about what you're doing is that you are you are doing the leg work a lot of leg work to cut out a lot of the noise and you know obviously not everybody will align with the content that you want to highlight yeah but I do um and so it's you know it really helps me because there's something about the stuff that you constantly put out and I'm like yeah I want to read that and I want to read that and I want to read that so getting an insight into your process is really cool it's you know you see it on the post status blog and you think oh somebody just dumped it there no no no no no Courtney spends hours doing this stuff but obviously you can't spend like an infinite number of hours so getting the process that you're using is really interesting yeah yeah so okay then uh a few other places I check out there is is um more developer focused daily dodev and oh it's so good it is yeah it is and so what I would before I Veer too far when you find somebody that you want to follow go get their blog in your feedle go find their YouTube channel go find if they have a podcast And subscribe the minute that you're thinking of it because you're not going to do it later and yeah so I build up all of my social accounts my RSS everything as a hey I I think I should follow this person and add their stuff or this company and add their stuff so that I don't miss it but I do want a little Serendipity in my day and I want to be able to train that Serendipity a bit so to see what's going on beyond the WordPress Community I look at daily. deev and I often will focus in the web dev space Not Just WordPress so that means I'm looking at the PHP information JavaScript specifically react within JavaScript CSS I'm tuning a little into what other open source communities are doing and or Frameworks built off of Open Source so yeah CSS the language is open source but I'm paying attention to what's going on in bootstrap and in Tailwind or in PHP I'm looking at laravel and Symphony a little bit and so daily dodev is a great way for me to have all of that and if I find that I am regularly always opening up for instance I I discovered while surfing daily dodev the one day uh Amazon web services AWS open source newsletter So within the AWS department at Amazon they have an area that is focused on open source so I will then say Oh I stumbled over to this thing not like stumbled upon days but I found this thing and so I want to get on that newsletter because I I saw an article on daily Dev that led me to that so now that newsletter is sitting in my feedle as well so it's just a way of giving myself like a curated experience of still some Serenity in my browsing the web and knowing what's going on in spaces I don't know what I don't know so how do I how do I add in things into around me that are outside of my bubble when I'm not the expert outside of my bubble and Dev gives me that it's really good it's you put me on to it actually when we had that call that was probably I don't know four or five months ago or something and I get it literally every day and honestly most of it I just scan through and I think no not for me but um but there's a a whole ton of it that I um that I sort of end up like you say it's Serendipity you just you throw throw stuff in there that you think maybe something will come out of that and then once in a while it does and you're like oh that's gold right and actually I have at the bottom of my newsletter for this week in WordPress every week There's a bit called not WordPress but useful anyway and and that's often now where those things come up from right uh and and they send you an email so you don't even have to go looking for it you just Plum your email address in and they'll send you this curated list of possibly interesting stuff each day so and I noticed that you do you surface that at the bottom of your post status post you get PHP stuff right the bottom beyond the dependencies anything that WordPress itself is dependent upon major Frameworks uh um I will put in tools often so WordPress a lot of WordPress plug-in devs are using composer and Homebrew and these types of things and so so I add all of those things in at the bottom of the post as well hoping that the the plugin devs and all of the places are paying attention to oh there's an update coming for PHP 8.4 is on the horizon so sometimes I'll see the news about that or somebody blogging about here's what you can expect in the changes and I find that that's pretty interesting um I do look at some general world news types of things as well I try and look as an American I feel it's important for me to see both how my country is reporting global news but how other Global News sources are also reporting it and so I look at General Global News I I check out Reuters and Al jazer and uh BBC and a few other sources I just honestly for those I launched them I click through a couple of continents see what the beat is there uh but I feel like it's important to see and it's interesting sometimes what I can learn tech-wise by checking these sources out for instance that certain nations are requiring I think it's in Switzerland that were requiring open-source tools to be prioritized over proprietary for yeah yeah governmental work right so there's your bit of serendipity wandering about you come across stuff which is interesting like that yeah and you know the things like you can go to prison in Ireland if your website is not accessible and things like that yeah it's really kind of interesting so okay there's the high level of of what you do and I don't think I don't think we're trying to sell anybody this process it's just fascinating you know there's only a few people out there who really are going to want to do this I'm one of them you're one of them there's a few others who are creating curating Ray probably is one of them uh the WordPress news and so I will put all of the links to those bits and P oh go on that the there's okay I'll name off just a couple of quick other little bits um of course all of the sources like medium and dev. two I also launch those um couple times a week and hash node as well uh and what's the other there's another big substack right so I have curated things to follow in those places I'll check on those um and uh uh David betet launched the with his daughter Olivia launched WPF front. page so I scan through that one as well like once a week or so and see what's in there just to make sure I haven't missed something once I get through looking at those I often will move on to scanning my social media accounts and one that I would like to really draw attention to actually two things uh I facilitate a LinkedIn group with Rob KS and oh yeah and we're at a little over 14,000 people in there uh so I will check in and see and also vet anything that needs to happen as well as vetting um I I help Chris Wegman does most of the work on this formally at WP engine uh Chris every day logs in to jobs. wordpress. net and through what's submitted and publishes it I assist with that so I'll scan through that too and again these are all broken into folders in my browser so I don't forget a thing because I don't want to trust my memory and no GitHub as well same deal with GitHub and I look at like the GitHub front page that shows me all the activity of what people have been doing and then I will also get go check my notifications inbox as well um and again I while I'm doing these things I'm either sending certain things to readwise or to my to-do lists or to people that need to know the things that's just I have my cup or two of coffee and that's what I do to get started with my day cup or two honestly Cy not a joke right when I watched you so when we had that call a little while ago I we you shared your screen you do things at a prodigious speed you're you're like your navigation of the computer is way faster than mine and uh and I reckon that if I got up and had my coffee by the time I'd gone through the things that you've just described that you do like before the second coffee I'm basically ready for bed um at the speed that I do things you know I'd get up do what you do in a matter of hours or I don't know under an hour or whatever it is and then but for me it would take a whole day yeah um but we'll put all of the links in the show notes I'm just curious right just just pivoting some some way away from the process and obviously the process that Courtney's just described is going to be the thing that a helps me make my this week in WordPress show but will also inform what we talk about in subsequent shows because it will be the bits that rise to the surface you'll need a new folder Courtney you to have a you know a WP builds you know quarterly show kind of folder for the very best bits where do you where would you recommend to somebody who's brand new to the WordPress Community what what things would you recommend that they visit online attend in person get involved in and obviously that's going to be your own personal proclivities but what kind of things appeal to you community-wise that you would encourage people to look out think about well to bring all of this into the community specifically I say I do all of these things that involve me in my computer but if you hear Nathan takes the the output of that so Nathan and I have a relationship I sent something to Morton and I have a relationship that exists outside of LinkedIn messages right yeah uh so we have spent those times together so go where the people are get to meetups get to camps um you know if we have to rely on zoom and others tools we'll do that get to meet people in the space uh because it makes all the difference in how you understand the information that they share and or the information you may share with them and for a long time my work was not about do I know all of the news I am very fortunate that now a lot of my work rides on that but it also was informing what I was doing as a teacher it was informing those things so it's again being around where the people are and meeting meeting the community but I would also say if you're looking for a couple of sources for these things of course we're going to put all the show Nots together my real true main sources I would narrow it down to two things I have a Twitter list that I put all the word pressors in unless they've been so vile that I cannot so it's hard for people to right it's usually that doesn't happen um it does occasionally though some things need to be expunged right I agree yeah so there's a Twitter list of my closest 4,300 word pressers that I connect with uh so if they have WordPress in their title any of those kinds of details I uh that's a bit of serendipity right so the social media algorithm will tell you so I would say follow that and start meeting people from that also okay we'll we'll link to that in the show notes so uh just quickly wpuld.you teams are doing so I know the people in the teams because I'm inside of make. Wordpress like the the slack channel for make WordPress but additionally if you just want give me one list that shows the blog post from all two dozen plus teams make. wordpress.org latest please forgive oh yeah yeah that is a good one ahead of time please forgive this is still a classic theme this this part of the site has not been redesigned so we just have a couple of simple RSS widgets that are in there and so again make. wordpress.org latest I put in all of the team's blog posts so uh the one exception to that would be like Gutenberg there's a lot of activity but that all happens in GitHub right so yeah so there are a couple of places you could additionally check and I put all that together for you in the and and anyone that wants to get it in the weekly post status this week in make word press Roundup that I I write but if you just want to check on your own time before I have one of those so once a week I'll compile the work of all the teams make. wordpress.org latest please notice the times that a title compels you to read the article and when it may not some of the teams are just like here's the updates for the last month but the title isn't very interesting but the content might be and so yeah um I might pick on the design team their last post was really great as far as the title goes about the new design initiatives but traditionally there's just like a design updates for the last two weeks and that title may not be interesting but you're gonna miss gold if you don't see what's going on in there and so notice the times and so the teams will have different things going on sometimes they say here's our meeting agenda uh here's the meeting recap you can participate asynchronously in the slack Channel chats about it those times are when they pull in and say here are all the content that we have sitting in track or GitHub or whatever and we need to have a discussion about it and so the recap posts I feel like if you don't have time to get to the meetings and participate at that level reading the Recaps that a team puts together and says here's what we did at the last meeting could be a helpful way of getting that information um there's so much in this episode to be honest and and this will be like no other episode that we do with Courtney so if the matchin naations basically this this episode is like the meta this is the this is how uh this is what's going to go on behind the scenes for the episodes that we do in the future so if this kind of content didn't like you know it didn't push your buttons don't don't worry you know come back and the next one that we do will just be a case of okay this is what we found interesting in what we have both read yes over the last I don't know three months but also I think maybe it'll be shining a light on uh things which are about to happen you know events which are about to happen and things like that so an it'll be all sorts our next record date I'm looking ahead a bit is close to a release and will be through most of the new contributor mentorship cohort that goes along with that release oh neat yeah so yeah okay so little bit of there a whole other thing so um so that's what this show is going to be about it's not going to be about that because that's what we're going to do in the background to figure out what's going on because both of us are kind of you know our in my case I'm doing air quotes job is to uh is to find these news articles and create content about it and Courtney's job definitely job is to uh is to do similar things text based and what have you so that's how we're going to be doing it and if you've got um if you've got anything that you've heard in this episode and you just sort of caught it in your ear and you think oh what was that and you haven't got the capacity to rewind or you didn't hear what it was all of the bits and pieces I've been taking lots of little notes on my fabulously high-tech piece of paper and um and I'll put all of them into the the show notes so WP build.com go and search for this latest episode I can't remember what number it'll be but uh search for Courtney Robertson and uh and you'll be able to find that and uh yeah so that's it and we'll we will be seeing you no doubt we'll see you this week in WordPress before I'll see you next week in uh in Portland for that'll be nice and uh but if none of that happens then I'll see you uh I'll see you in about I don't know 12 weeks or something like that for another episode of this with the content front and center Courtney thanks so much absolutely thank you for having me Nathan well I hope that you enjoyed that absolute pleasure chatting to Courtney today if you have anything you want to say if you're interested interested in Courtney's process or my slightly more Poor Man's version of Courtney's process head to wpu docomond it would be really nice to hear what your thoughts are don't forget that other episodes will not be like this it'll be more looking at the content 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