In Focus: 16 Years: Gigs in Scotland 1974 - 1990

well good evening folks hello chris hello ken thanks for joining us for this online book launch of the book 16 years giggs in scotland 1974 to 1990 compiled by chris brickley who's uh here tonight he'll be in discussion with ken mccluskey so some housekeeping though uh this has been recorded on zoom it's going out in live stream on facebook um chris and ken will talk for about 40 minutes or so and that includes a quiz through a lot of the images in the book so photography will be driving this along very nicely we'll have questions at the end for 15 minutes or so so we're looking about an hour in total time it might slip a little bit and if it does is for good reason but it wouldn't be much longer than that you can ask questions and writing in the chat function of the facebook page here you can do that at any time throughout the talk or at the time of the q and a um when it'll be passed over to chris and kane uh we're at the the service and the mercy of technology here so if there's any bandwidth problems uh and anything freezes just stick with it and one or more of us will be back so um so maybe uh a good place to start um chris will give us a description of the book very shortly but i'd just like to quickly quote uh the writer ian rankin who did the the full word in the book when he's it's a treasure trove of concert memories from scotland's rock music past a trip down memory lane for many of us it's also an invaluable guide to a lost world of venues bands fashions and moments and time what the book emphasizes for for me uh chris is yet again that the camera is an archiving tool and that photography and its forms of display whether that's an exhibition or a book are mediums that bring that back to life for existing and new audiences so it's part of our social and cultural history that's some very important it's also a great example of vernacular photography i think photographs capturing everyday life and of course music and culture is very much a part of who we are in terms of forming our identity the geographical reach of the photographs is quite significant here and i think these will talk about that uh very shortly indeed but just to introduce uh the both of you ken ken mccloskey is a musician the bluebells the mccluskey brothers other bands you've played in ken you like you're in music business glasgow kelvin college you're a mentor at electric honey records which of course is a label that does an awful lot in supporting a new young talent ken's worked quite extensively with us you know and tooth 2012 co-curated the hari papadopoulos exhibition which of course has been in circulation of our sins and various iterations and its most recent smaller uh survey of the scottish acts is on at the beacon arts center in greenock which is a town that also features uh in the book previously had been in dumfries and berlin simultaneously a couple of years ago been all over the place live gigs seem to be us thing kind of feels as a thing of the past that in actual fact ken will be playing a gig with the blue bells on sunday with um lola and slax i think maybe safe to say the first live public gig since this whole episode began so look it up but ken give that a plug towards the end again could you in terms of last night yeah yeah so the other contributor here of course is chris brickley so congratulations to chris for pulling this book together and also belated happy birthday yesterday i do believe yeah 21 again yeah so you describe yourself as a lifelong music fan and that's quite evident by what the results are it's crystal clear in this book yeah you've worked in fine art for the last 25 years you run the website it's got scott's giggs relived which might say is possibly the source of the river uh which has flowed into this book yep um i think you got in touch in late 2018 chris when you were working looking for images of hari papadopoulos to include in the book which you will touch upon with ken during the talk and um so since then you've been working on it through a crowdfunding campaign in 2019 you were able to go ahead and publish in early 2020 we had discussed a public launch in real life at street level itself but lockdown then happened and it's not possible for us as a public gallery to really go start hence that this online event itself which currently has 119 people attending you have had a few uh uh social uh launches one of the kills in glasgow and one at bungalow and paisley and a few others uh as well so i'm going to hand it over uh to you guys to kick out the jams as the mc5 would say i'll disappear for a bit and then come back in a bit later so take it away welcome hi hi everyone who's uh joined us thanks for joining us um chris just like to start off just um just kind of general just to start cover a few a few things we've got a lovely image up here i'm sure you can all see it but just a bit about background in the book for those who maybe don't know the story um when did you actually get the idea of the book and what was he wanted to achieve initially uh i would say hi ken evening evening everyone else um i would say it's four or five years ken i had some photographs and memorabilia of my own and some friends had other better stuff and i thought well wouldn't it be good to compile something because it was my fear that the kind of material that we focus on in the book was in danger of being lost because gig photographs and photographs of people's social lives are so easily misleading in house moves or they get damp or they get chucked out um so i wanted to try and gather some of that material together so i did a facebook page for a couple of years to try and build an audience with a view to doing that so um but it's taken two years pretty much to put the book together so so did you find that once the people start offering stuff or did you find people wanted to hold on to their stuff or were they quite free giving you but i mean yes yeah it was generally perceived as a good idea when i suggested it but um when i asked people to send stuff inevitably it was a wee bit of a trickle at the start a but quite early on in the process i heard from a guy called ross in edinburgh who sent me one saturday morning i was getting email after email and ross and his pals were among the first wave of punks in edinburgh were going to places like clouds and the astoria the university and they took turns to take cameras to gigs and they took up an amazing group of photographs of the early punk gigs which are really rare as you know nobody did that in those days so once i had those i thought that is a proper core group of material to hang out on and after that um it really was people did send me things and they've been really good and really generous but it was a lot of evenings at the kitchen table after my work going through social media and doing google searches because once you have a good group then you need stuff to go around it and it was a case of finding things and asking for permission so it was quite laborious but i'm pleased with the way it's panned out yeah it's fascinating when i i picked up the book and when i when i was looking through i was going to say well do it in you know a couple of seconds but i didn't i did it now i wonder but it took me about how yeah four hours because i was looking at like the prices of tickets and time and i was getting mixed up with certain things you know there was a a few clash gigs in there with 77 yeah i said was that that one or who supported that band and was it suicide the specials or was it richard taylor you know but it was fast it was amazing it was a real great thing for jogging memories and because sometimes you think you made you made things up you know it was really exciting yeah um so it's a fantastic book thank you i love i really love the way unusually it's it's done you know through towns alphabetically through through towns and and it's not only the major towns yeah uh you know edinburgh glasgow aberdeen dundee is it it's bells hill it's grangemouth it's greenwich you know it's five you know thank you i really really like that um because when i think of especially especially the kind of punk times when i started woody giggsley but in 1977 i'd be 15 so it was a perfect age for gigs at all i found it was really it was where suburban have a suburban from boston but on the train or the bus you would get more people go on at stops and you would recognize them by the a badge or you know a sign yeah sign a haircut or something like that and you think oh basically they're going to this gig and then all of a sudden you were in the city glasgow for me was our biggest say so and then it was where we interacted so suburbans all of a sudden interacted with real glaswegians you know i mean people from the city yeah and then you would meet people north south east west so it was a really yeah brilliant thing you meet at a record shop or one of the many record shops that we were very fortunate to have like bruce's or listener or whatever yeah and which nicely takes me to this fantastic photograph yes that we have here very much so um where did you get this where did you get this photograph it's fantastic well that's the great thing about social media is things pop up now and again and i had seen this picture and you'll know better than i the significance of the band stand that custom house key not just well yeah obviously it it's a structure that people know but it had a significance at that punk period and post punk as a meeting place and then there was a series of gigs wasn't there around about 17 would you say yeah this is a big name this is this looks about 1979 1980 but i was and this band stand which was a custom house key um somebody very cleverly uh got permission to use it from glasgow city council and it was set for rocky and racism yeah um and you know anti-apartheid gigs etc um and i think it was the guys who the paisley-based guys and the sort of groucho marxist label yeah uh and they had all sorts of bands that there was the [ __ ] and defiant pose excess discharge and the fire the fire exit and there was a band called the zips playing one day yeah john zip still playing with his zips very nice man and we went up with cheeky me boys from both wool um nice polite boys of course yeah rockers clean clean punks and uh posh punks and uh we we went to the guy jordan from the zips and said we're in a band can we use your instruments and get a gig with you anyway what bro guys so he's maybe a couple years older than me and he gave us the instruments and then that started a long run of gigs every saturday at customers key on that bandstand and it was fantastic it was really really brilliant um so you'd have all these and then people would there's a great way anthony fee to them and people who just come down and then you get people maybe working offices come down for lunch and then you get all the sort of punks the word would ground the record shops if there's a gig going yeah you know down there then the uh the the the customers key but there's a few guys i know in this this picture here the girl far right this girl called uh carol rafferty she's an actress now and she's a sister of a king punk frank rafferty i think he was bear stealer bishop brexit his peers then he's a poet now he's appointed the wee guy with the baby face to the left behind the three in the left is the guy called giggles he was from the gorbals right um just over the river from the bandstand he's uh head nurse at the royal infirmary now and there's a guy there dennis in the middle i don't really know i know the rest of their faces but i couldn't put names to them but maybe somebody who's watching this could put names to them and maybe tell them tell us where they are or whatever but it's a brilliant photograph i mean imagine trying to actually capture that guy doing that jump that scissor kick it would be absolutely impossible yeah very much but this is one of the things you're talking when malcolm was talking about the importance of the camera people really didn't walk about the cameras then you know now everybody's got a phone so you take pictures here anything you know like tick tock or whatever oh there's a funny cat or work for you but people didn't really have because it would be quite an expensive thing to to develop photographs you know a lot of people didn't develop photographs of the year to go boots or whatever it would be quite expensive so this may be something you would do in your holidays or whatever but thank god people did walk about with cameras there was enthusiasts there then there was some people that was just the introduction to disposable cameras as well but that's a brilliant photograph i love love them as and in a way it was a gift to start things off um and given that i'm speaking to you john stark i mean the main thrust of the book is uh as i say collecting together unpublished amateur what i've called crowd shots but john stark is a professional photographer glasgow london based now and you can see that in in the way that the photograph is it's a very sophisticated geometry of the structure it's pyramids of figures it's very clever and really effective it's just a great image so i thought a great place to start um and as you see as a meeting place and that there's a fantastic one yeah and the nature of music and gathering and people from different parts of of the city or beyond coming in together you can see here as we mentioned yesterday or earlier in the week the rock against racism t-shirts and badges and things so these were the means by which folk recognized each other and that's still the early punk look isn't it it might be 79 but that's still kind of looks like the first wave doesn't it i think yeah i think dennis the one in the middle with the the one foot up i think he's got a a t-shirt which is it's not rocking his stream it's anti-nazi league i think yeah he's got the arrow absolutely yes absolutely so shall we move on let's hope yes this is a classic again um it's really what the book's about it's a favorite of mine this is one of this is george's photograph um and there's a nice v story uh again it's only about a year later than the previous one but you can see the whole look has changed george certainly was and as a biker and you can see that feeding into the the punk iconography in the loop but he'd got a camera he told me a new camera and he was in town with these piles they put the camera on the timer sitting on a beer keg and the boys walked around the corner and it's near the apollo and they just took that fantastic photograph so it's sort of definition of street photography it's near the apollo and where 23rd precinct was i just think it's a great image and a classic of its type so that's the sort of thing that i was looking for when i was putting the book together and again as a an image i would have come across on facebook and contacted george and had a chat with them and here we are so these two photographs to start as a bit of a kind of to show the the range of the book if you like yeah it's super i know george quite well he lives in partic just off the road for me when i left um and he's still about and he's still all the baker's gear and all that yeah um he's a good pilot he worked in the in the volcano for quite a long time remember the volcano it was the pub and yes i recognized all the other guys but i couldn't put a name to them so again if anyone they were all quite well known faces they could have punk scene at the time right um if anyone knows any of these guys or we're worried about you know not we're not looking for whatever but if there's maybe maybe somebody who's in the photograph was listening or or whatever you see i would actually say that was a year before that last photograph would you like to realize that tell you why i think i think so i think so yeah i think so i think i think it was um george was always very stylized sort of upon the other guys were kind of because there was kind of different degrees of pump you know there was kind of london punks and then there was paddy's market punks and you know oxfam warriors and all sorts of different you know different tribes within the sort of punk thing i suppose but i think that may have been a wee bit but i don't mean a lot earlier maybe six months or a year earlier or something i think that's a really important point you know he's there kane and anyone who's interested in music and punk will know these london images and you know the kind of brawling contingent and the hundred club and the roxy but what i wanted to get at is that how did things look here and we were talking the other day about the clash film red boy and there's the scene at the glasgow apollo outside and the camera pans along the queue and it's all these kids young kids and it's quite the keynesian they may get ripped up school uniforms and chains and cheap plastic sunglasses and that is how it looked in the middle of 78 when it was a big big movement as opposed to a small creek whenever each other and that that's what i wanted to kind of show because it's a book about to my mind it's the interesting thing is the human interest and the venues the the bands are the vehicle but it's about people really aware of a social life that in some ways has gone people still go to gigs but not in the way that folk did in the 70s and 80s yeah don't you think i think i think it's very interesting as well but if you look at that the queue we could talk about that later as well with the rude boyfriend yeah that was outside the polls 1978. um there's loads of really young kids 15 16. so loads of those kids would sneak out the house and put a safety pin in her jacket or something like that i mean or or put a jacket on inside there or something or a moist jacket or something like that you know um so it's actually like that kind of handmade diy thing you know that was you could because it was very easy to be a punk yeah you know i mean you didn't have to dress out of you know boy or whatever traditionally or something you can just you know an old man's suit or something dead man certainly you know you know that would be funky therefore so there's all different i like that the idea that people just made up their own style it was great yeah yeah much more interesting so what we're going to do now having had a couple of introductory slides i wanted the book to start before punk and if you're going to do that i chose 74 for various reasons but um and of course a landmark gig in glasgow that year would be lou reeds he's always on on the radar isn't it that's run about the rock and roll animal period and vin miles is a london-based uh guy who followed the tour around and photographed various shows um and here we are at the apollo so that would be a big one of that pre-punk period um and obviously a major figure that you would want to have in a book like this took me a wee while to find and get in touch with them but i'm i'm very glad that i did three chord job you know yeah and that look that he had at that time with the bleached hair and the you know somebody can't dance yeah yeah yeah yeah strawberry can't dance or berlin i think yeah sorry we had way ahead of his time wasn't he and of course mr boy mr boy just transcends everything in terms yeah one of the major cultural figures of the century and again somebody would want and he played was it four nights at the apollo on that tour because even by then he was a bit tired of touring so and john higney a great guy we had at the mccool's uh launch had a nice chat with john he went i think three out of the four gigs and was at different parts of the theater um each night and took these tremendous pictures um and again trying to get a camera into the apollo was a risky business wasn't it and even if he did it was a big theater the lighting was tricky it was very difficult to get good photos so um it's amazing that we have these um and again these are quite brave it would be quite brief it'd be quite a brave thing and yeah sorry and i think we could have mentioned earlier this must have been taken because a big high stage therefore so you could you know it was hard to get out of good damage so this must have been taking one of these boxes you know if you look at the stage in the left hand side those kind of boxes yeah just same levels so that's probably taken from the left hand side looking onto the stage here yeah um because that would be brave yeah you'd get chopped out for that thing all right um there's a notorious absolutely apollo he wore a pink shirt right yeah bad guy but that's it i'm not going to go any further and boy was back at the apollo apparently and the following year 79 played keyboards for iggy with a hood up incognito um so the story goes all right but yeah you need glue and you need something now this brings us to the punk the main thrust of the book again is punk and post punk um and the clash are always up there aren't they at the top and they toured relentlessly um and this 278 um was a landmark with suicide and the coventry automatics who became the specials and they played glasgow they played edinburgh and they played the kinema in dunfermline which was a major venue of that period and this was a particularly violent gig um by all accounts um and a number of these were captured in the clash film the rude boy that we we talked about earlier um and again this is just a classic on the spot what i've called crowd shot but um and the great thing about these is the immediacy they put you right on the spot in front of the performer and you get a sense of the atmosphere and in a a to a great degree and i love this this is the clash just as they become the biggest thing really isn't it yeah so that was weird that was an amazing amazing gig that was the with the i was at the caramel but i was at the classical paul owners this tour and but maybe talk about suicide and all that later on yeah but to get so close it would be really hard you know not unless you had a real good camera with a zoom lens you know but i don't think many there would be many zoom lenses and gigs at that point but that's that's really up close i was never in the kingdom of myself but maybe again if somebody's from the fairmont or they're at the gig they could maybe talk about that gig and was it extremely violent you know i think there was a wee thing about because the punk thing a lot of the established could have bouncers bouncers had to go to sort of bounce for training school for one day at that time and you know they weren't really they weren't really trained to deal with kids you know that was the idea if you just gave my slapped in the back of the the head or kicked him off the arse or whatever you know yeah um which wouldn't be allowed now of course but um and you did get many a kick up the arse maybe you're slapped in the back of the head but they were they were rough man who were really rough especially when you're a wee boy of 15 you know there's no way yeah i saw many many many are doing from the glasgow bouncers they were rough they're not like that now of course of course not in fact what abandons is doing through during lockdown there'll be nothing to bounce i know i don't know really when you think about it when you think about it you know and of course the apollo is you could get in as a as a school kid because it was unlicensed wasn't it people might not realize that so the punk crowd would be very young in a venue like the apollo and less so probably at the kinema but yeah again um as i've said there was a lot of strife at that one and that wasn't unusual for those times for various reasons but we used to buy tickets it was about two pounds 50 to go and see the clash if i remember correctly we used to buy tickets for 175 and for the circle and then they were the same color as the ones for the the the stalls so we used to just go to the toilet the way back down just jump down dump the stoves thereby saving 75p which is very important oh yes we left when you live in boston oh yeah so what we got next well we mentioned uh when i got in touch with you now you're talking yeah when i got in touch with you first ken and i wanted to just test the water because i had a good body of material um of the amateur type and i thought well test the water and see if i could get one or two images of harry's because obviously i had the catalog and i'd seen the exhibition and top of my list was this photograph because of the mythology of the gig first of all and the importance of that tour to musicians and you know fans because by in the middle of seven days we said it was a massive deal punk um and you know um for a band like the class you were pretty fearless in choosing the their support act um but the crowds you know were not uh tolerant in the sense they were just desperate to see the class so it wouldn't have mattered what else you'd put it's a bit like watching slade in their head yes nobody was gonna get a listen but suicide um were so confrontational weren't they yeah they weren't erased how was that that gig and first of all you had the coventry specials and they could turn into the specials as you said yeah or they covered your automatics this is a deal about whether coventry specials or the coventry automatics they were both basically right um and when they played they were they were not bothered they weren't they weren't rude boys they didn't have one all the sharp suits in the 220 year and all that they were just a bunch of guys they just looked like a bunch of guys who couldn't really be bothered and there's some nice songs there was a couple of kind of reggie type type songs there was no real kind of major style so people were like what's this and not really bothered they were doing okay well but not no big deal and then these guys came on yeah and uh i've just reminded myself when they want there's a there's a great um website called the bar lance or we played the borrowers or battle and gigs something like that it's brilliant and it's got weed reports on all the gigs there's a really good report about the special since as i remember they walked on and they turned on their synthesizer hanging the drum machine that was hugely loud it was massive then this galaxy guy walks on and he was kind of taunting the crowd and the crowd just did not know what to do because it was quite a young crowd he'd never heard them like this this week guy was absolutely brilliant um he was fantastic and and you know he kind of wound the crowd up and there was a bet in the report in the barland's page that says he started to get a slow hand clap but then he started clapping along with it with his door slow hand clap so the crowd stopped yeah hand clapping and then he was just winging him off it was brilliant it was absolutely fantastic yeah yeah reveling in the performance really it was only about 20 minutes but i think the the claps turned to booze and people like f off or could i swear you know that could hang but it was i was confused but it was amazing i didn't really know what i'd seen but afterwards i bought the records because you know should he know that's it and you can just see he's not fazed by it really he's bringing it on and leaning out over there brilliant yes well these guys have been going since really late 60s early 70s you know so they've played in all these shitholes and up and down the new york you know all these places so they wouldn't they were probably that was part of the show yeah you know part of the part of the show was probably all i ended up with to be subversive but it was really amazing it was he was a brilliant front man and harry's just caught that mood there hasn't he that kind of glare into the into the space perfect perfectly yeah he's kind of goading the audience is kind of saying is that the best you got yeah we pray you know it's great it really captures it it's great great and there's a there's a nice sweet post script to that i was reading the liner notes of their second album and an interview alan vega goes you know the first time we ever realized that kids were actually into what we were doing and dancing was edinburgh tiffany's on the following tour so that was the kind of reception they got every night and it was actually an edinburgh gig where people things had moved on enough for people to have the language to understand what they were trying to do and that's quite a nice thing for foreign yeah i think edward is maybe a different entity edinburgh was always maybe a bit more open to sort of more artsy stuff yeah yeah you know before it took us a wee bit longer to maybe appreciate the kind of more arty electronic stuff we were more sort of guitar stuff and it was wait what we got next um well here we are back in glasgow and i said at the start i wanted to capture how things looked um on the streets as it were of scotland and this is we're going right back to when the punk the group of punks in glasgow are as in this case this is the belles hill contingent um of glasgow punk's um 1977 at a jam gig at javados in santina square the german jolt um and peter mccaffer is very kindly given as a group of these photographs of the early punks in glasgow and as we said a very small group of people who would all have known each other um met at gigs such as the where at that stage because that's early days and i just thought well isn't that fantastic to see you know that's how it was at that time with that gig so let's go back to that kind of suburban thing as well you know the sort of great urban area corner basin whatever you want to call it bells hill coat bridge mother wolf they all could have run in each other um bill said was quite happening at that time because my older sister introduced me punk actually she and she used to be the clash first album and two sevens to clash by culture and she had that haircut you know they put the ponytail on the one side that she had when she left the house and then she would change outside you know because she wouldn't be allowed being up probably it was okay for us guys but i think it was harder for girls you know to be a bit night in the hatton rig hotel right um before the bells hillside before the fan club and all that yeah but there was loads of punks and all that and they also had and people would go like my sister would go to the heart and right she would also go to uh the wisher the crown hotel yeah you'd have the joe and all these pants yeah yeah i think that james king put there with a backstabber yeah but um yeah so there was a there was a big scene out there there's a big scene there so it wasn't always this is what i love about the book it's not all city you know it's not all city glasgow because every band's called like glasgow bands you know most brands aren't from glasgow they're from the suburbs you know come on the suburbs exactly that's a very good point and you know ultimately the story of the book is not glasgow and edinburgh i mean they are the main focal point because most of the big but it's no surprise glasgow and edinburgh had the main bands and bands of all descriptions playing but as we'll see um what's important to me or became apparent is are these other scenes that sprang up around the country whether it is lancashire or whether it's inverclader the priests are um sterling and we'll touch on that as we go through but it's it was great to get these early pink images and then of course another watershed the stranglers again it's peter's photograph at the city halls where there was a bit of a rammy would you say of some description i think so yeah i was i wasn't this big but i think uh were you at welcome oh sorry malcolm um i wasn't at this gig but there was a big stomach the next day in the uh in the paper the evening times the daily records and all these yeah punk is banned from glasgow says city province yeah and it you know it wasn't banned it was banned from the city hall but it wasn't even advanced in the city hall because the [ __ ] played it the next year yeah so you know so the whole idea of it's banned you know if you say something's banned it's just gonna you know it's gonna get bigger so and maybe more underground but there was it took me while i think to take off and people to accept it but that's right all of a sudden there was loads of pumps one people you know who were into punk rock to play in it so it was more acceptable but glasgow was a wee bit it was a wee bit uh rhythm and booze you know i mean it was a lot of the pubs had heavy metal bands doing covers and stairway heaven and all that kind of stuff you know brown cord and brown hail you know guys with beards and all that you know that's it but then where the council were pretty sensitive and weary of punk and the where giggs cancel went there was one up at the dreamlands cinema where generation x was supposed to play and then it was a really good bill with self-abusers and exile and the jolt and that was cancelled at the last minute as well so they were but i think talk of a ban is a bit strong isn't it but it made it harder for punks to gain access to things and things did shift a bit to paisley didn't they which we'll come back to as well yeah but i think what happened as well was the university uh the bookers for the university the social sects got it it's secretary's got hip to it yeah so you had to have the rewards of the gu or the qm yeah you'd have the blondie etc up at the strathclyde uni so all of a sudden in universities glasgow tech you know all these places fantastic yeah you know venues so it started going you get signed into a student and all that sort of stuff so maybe went underground that way if that was unknown yeah yeah and all of those are in the book of course as well these venues now here we are in edinburgh um talking about this early this was a oh johnny thunders in the heart breakers with susie and the banshees and the models at clouds and this is a photograph take by lindsay hutton of the next big thing fanzine that's a whole other thing we haven't touched on yet was the importance of fanzine culture for empowering writers and photographers and informing bands that were forming and here is rab from the scars with johnny and paul ricky in the background in the dressing room and you can imagine from reports the kind of things that went on in heartbreakers dressing rooms when they hit town there'd be all sorts of people coming in and johnny just looks like he's kinda had enough of the whole thing at that point but it was a brilliant growing gig and they were on fire as they say at that point the heartbreakers a great picture of of uh robert there too so um yeah yeah yeah sorry man probably he would be quite a famous poet yeah an underground way as well yeah yeah so it's great to get photographs of musicians in all these different contexts with people who are forming bands or just punters you know and um that's what we wanted for the book and uh the image um again of that early punk i think they actually yeah so i was just just going to say just to finish off that last photograph the the access just having access to somebody from new york i mean how exotic amazing i mean i mean or somebody from london even it was like wow you know and you can get into the dressing room and they would talk to you and stuff like that it was amazing yeah absolutely and you could see that excitement and and some of the bands the prefects were very young at that point they were birmingham's main punk band of the people they're on tour there were the buzzcocks uh they played the silver thread in paisley they played the ambassador dundee and here they are at clouds um and uh this is them just lacking about loading road and that view hasn't changed very much but we have diary entries from the tour just talking about the different gigs and you can just see they're having a hell of a lot of fun you know and they're still going strong in the form of the nightingales and uh just a great piece of street photography by helen it's great for just it's just it looks like they're having great fun you know and i think that's the whole thing about touring you know if you tour a young person what a brilliant thing to do you know two are going to different towns and you know just listening to people's accents and seeing what they eat and you know yeah that used to be earth when we started off we when we went different times we used to try and adapt the accent the local accent and talk to the crowd and their accent or you know find something that's you know specific to that area or whatever you know like a bum cake or something or an echo skate that's it that's it and they talk about having pints of heavy in the shakespeare's pub which is still there um they were assimilating at that point but uh yeah it's called the fun of the the thing with a great band of course like the buzzcocks as well learning so much um this is another of my favorite images of the book um and this is terry who's who's nipped off from school in cumbernauld and and gone through to clouds and people did go back forward to gigs you know despite what folk might believe and the animosity antipathy between glasgow and edinburgh you know lots of people came from glasgow manager paisley through to clouds and vice versa through to satellite city and that gig by the banshees was an early one um and everybody wanted to see it so um and despite their image terry says that they were great and they let them into the sound check and signed whatever they wanted just really good to be around it's just a lovely picture and terry's as young as he looks there you know it's it's a classic but the thing that we're talking about the edinburgh glasgow thing um when i was looking after the harry potter's um material um but we were talking about harry used to he developed his own stuff so he would take a picture of susie in the banshees and your paul will develop them overnight bake them into five by eights maybe 20 of them try them etc and sell them outside playhouse you know or vice versa with the bowie ones he would they played edinburgh before glasgow would go to edinburgh take the photographs of the playhouse and then develop them 20 30 of them and if he did any x access he would then sell them and listen the record show so it was there was a between glasgow and edinburgh a lot of the bands would maybe only play glasgow already bro yeah you know they didn't always do both so you know a lot of people and it's where you met a lot of people from the other east coast as well yeah and although i'm from glasgow as well i live quite near clouds and it's one of the few venues that still stands and don't do gigs but there's nothing on it to indicate that the ramones in the clash and the rosellas and um rem and the birthday part and i find that's a bit of a tragedy because it shows you that you know this is really a cornerstone of our culture and our social life isn't it going to music and going to gigs and the fact that you know it's not recognized on the venues because people really ought to know that and they were really important culturally uh these these buildings most of which have been repurposed yeah i think so especially with the amount of rewards t-shirts you know yeah so you could you know my mom's got my mom's got a romance t-shirt you know you should at least should at least have a blue plaque i mean black would be nice actually you should maybe get it might be a punk thing to be renegade and make little plaques and stick them up in place yeah there's a good one i just saw it stop don't correct it or whatever but there's a pub called the old barns down there down the bar near the barrel yeah and then they've got a couple uh ones from again they're much you know the much that's fair enough yeah loved uh folk singer and you know he's never going to get an official plaque but he's you know they've made one for yeah absolutely brilliant but they haven't got one in the postcard flat for example have them they should have they were talking about that ages ago i think billy sloan was trying to do it but i think he had the daily record behind him at that time he doesn't have that anymore but billy sloan started a certain campaign to get you know 185 princess street westbrook street applied for the postcard you know but it never came to any never came to fruition i'm just looking at the time shall we zip on through a few for more of these because i don't know how much we want to yeah and well when i was thinking about the book the stagecoach is a is a venue i remember from as we all did leafing through the music press there always seemed to be gigs uh there in that late punk period and it was perfectly situated and there was a brilliant venue there i had gigs the sunday night and i was a big fan of the fall in the cramps and we'll come back to that the cramps the original cramps played in this little village it wasn't even done freezes and calling several miles outside them freezing here's the lurkers outside with david in this brilliant photograph 1978 of the stagecoach uh motel as it was and it was popular with the bands simple minds i think said it's the first place they ever played when you got accommodation thrown in and as you'll know what a big deal that would be for a touring band going on 74. so um a lovely kind of relaxed image of that an important venue yeah well dave david the guy here in the left hand side david thompson the big guy we pump rocker they gave you the photograph um he got in contact with us we were in a wee pump band called raw deal uh from both of course and we played about the town as we were talking about but people would send you letters noah oh we are in a punk band from the freezer we're in a punk band from dunfermline and we are a newcastle or whatever and we used to do reciprocal gigs so people on a gig for us with a bunch of other guys in langham of all places it's a long way lying very short so so yeah sorry it was like them yeah it's near lockerbie we started you know before internet and all that so people would send you a letter i hear you in a punk band blah blah blah you know i heard you on street sins and radio colliders so yeah that was a different way of communicating here all right you knew david yeah sorry are you well that's and that isn't that funny it's a small world very much this is another classic uh crowd shot just that kin thing that i was talking about the importance of essentially you don't need words when you've got the sounds you know the music and that photograph places you right in front of malcolm owen and dave ruffy in clouds with that very distinctive background that's the sort of stuff i love and it offers a very different perspective to professional photographer which we'd have the craft and the equipment and the vantage points but there's a lot to be said for the kind of you know they show each other the best effect and that's you on the spot and malcolm's looking down at you it's just it is that moment and it's indisputable i love that about these pictures yeah it's great i like the fact he's looking at his hair and they've got the same haircut but you look at my hair i've got the same hair issue oh they weren't great it's a huge honeydew but i'm not going to do it i could do another professional photographer um edinburgh and i you know i could have chosen any of of graham's pictures this is a favorite partly because uh just thinking about punk as uh and the number of prominent women in the punk movement and how empowering it was in harry up and we were chatting the other day and reminded how young she was and the level of scrutiny that would have been on her how difficult that must have been to handle every moment people want to talk to you you know and you can you can read a thousand things into that expression um and again astoria was a great edinburgh venue it's gone now but natalie 79 to 81 sort of period so many good gigs and it's a lovely picture of a of a musician in the town yeah i think it's it's also important that the the the women in punk and the women in rocker that we were in you know um i mean it was quite a few great great leads singers you know because some things start getting a bit i was looking at no gallagher's top 10 albums of all time somebody sent me a facebook or something there's not one woman and it was the beatles the kings you know the clash the specials there's not one there's no women in us at all but it was a really important thing i mean they did a real strong image the sound they were developing it's kind of like world music later called kind of reggae-based world music you know it was amazing experimenting and then they had budgie the the drummer playing with them when we saw them at the city halls was amazing there's a lovely in viv albertine's first autobiography which is a great week she talks about the white right you're playing at the playhouse describing how it felt to go into that massive stage as a band who didn't know the rudiments of playing as a band and then extraordinary experience it was for them and um it's well worth the read if people have that um madness i've had great reports on that yeah that's a good one oh man chucky davis again a very imminent reason sorry yep and what what a good what a gift madness where to a photographer and i didn't realize that i knew this picture but i didn't realize that these were taken at the apollo and again that's madness almost at the height of that um movement that swept playgrounds up down the country including myself you know there was such a great band and such a great visual spectacle um great photo yeah superb he's a really famous kind of rock photographer coming from the early early 70s working with the enemy sounds and all that yeah just a few more to run through um simple minds of course that really interesting period and i like this picture it's from a group derek's taken there um it's an unusual perspective for tiffany's which has got very recognizable interior um and just it's a classic it places you on the spot watching them at that early period and i think it's very atmospheric just captures that moment doesn't it of what it was like watching bands at that time yeah that kind of context yeah the simple minds were one of these bands who kind of grew and grew and grew and grew because that residency could have at the mars bar yeah sunday i think it was and you could have you know and it was a thing go and see the simple lines of the marsh but i i didn't see them till um because i was a bit young going to the marshbar at first but i saw them in nashville in london my brother lived across the road from and they were absolutely stunning chelsea girl would just come out so it was quite well you know they were just unbelievable what a fantastic fantastic group they were yeah and continue to be i recently heard their acoustic acoustic album of their great sets i think that's not going to work but it works great it works really good acoustic simple minds well it's great back to harry and another year zero gig is what i called it in the book for glasgow the co-headline two with the fall and the cramps and there's like that clash and suicide gig there's a huge mythology mythology has built around this tour and they played four gigs and this was the third of the four at the tech and everybody was there were they not and it was a sort of remarkable night and that's harry's perspective or one of the shots that i had in mind when i was asking you to give me a couple of things for the book and a fantastic um image of an amazing night yeah this was one of my probably my favorite gig i was ever at because the stage was about a foot and a half high in this pattern at the back it's green and red so it looked like a half between a pizza place and a swimming bus yeah you know it was a weird sort of week it was it was it was the dinner it was a day for people who went to glasgow tech and then they turned into a gig uh very strange there was a kind of plastic tiles at the back but the it was where this is one of the gigs where the the audi's become the band because the audience ended up on the stage and yeah you got you know the band continued to play the pokemon first and then the crabs just blew the roof off the place and that roof isn't very high you could touch that if you're on the stage you could you know i mean that's he's quite a tall guy so it's just about there's a picture of another picture of when he's touching the roof you know yeah and he's not stretched out so we take gig but fantastic energy and certainly it may have been oh you know everything talks with that glasgow gate at the manchester gate for morris he was the um blah blah blah you know the bus cox were all there or they could have sex but yes yeah you'd be nervous i don't know i don't know it might have been earnest because everybody seemed to be there yeah and it was spelt uh 1980 but it's really kicked off post punk was known as post punk yeah or you know it's just just like what is that absolutely brilliant performer absolutely they were amazing they were amazing that's where the fall that's where the fall that's great what's nice in the booth you'll know my favorite game you'll know too in the book that there are other there are photographs taken by martin as well from different perspectives in the crowd to offer a different just that a perspective on the band and an interview with each band uh as well um so it's a kind of i really cover the bases in terms of the importance of that night for glasgow we saw them on that tour yeah i think the tragedy of a lot of this is if you look at strathclyde level 8 or the qm or the gu or glasgow tech or glasgow takes california university there but they do not invest in bringing bands or live acts it's all you know get pissed 50 pence a shooter yeah you know i mean it's just a dj or a setlist there's nothing just you know there's no there's no vision you know because it's cheap you know instead of because this is where bands used to be money bans i certainly made we certainly made money by doing the university circuit or in america the college circuit yeah you know yeah and that's where there's a great it's weird music possums it's where music blossoms you know but now it's like get pissed on a friday uh drunk 50 pence for a shootout it was central to your social life wasn't it you went to gigs every week whether it was you were loyal to a venue or absolutely absolutely to most gigs you could just turn up i mean obviously the hassle for the tech is you'd have to go in hell early and hide or you'd have to get somebody to sign you in but generally giggs were affordable yeah well none of us yeah yeah none of us were students so we had to get side then or you'd you'd pre-arrange yeah a student to sign in you know or whatever um here again um just a really interesting unusual view that conjures a lot of we were talking about this gig the other night at the plaza where there were a few big gigs at the plaza the lake lamented plaza and you could see the weight on bernard's shoulders here of that early tour post ian and joy division and it's a great picture and just captures aspects of touring and the pressure that he would have felt and and bands do feel don't you think yeah well i think that the plaza wasn't used that much for gigs i think that the crass and played are yeah you know crash played and these guys played it but this was like a change a turning point you know it was the the queue was about two miles long and if they'd on a trench coat and look like you know some sort of d-mob something to just be deemed for i mean if they look depressed and yeah and the plaza was a cracking old building with a fountain in the middle of it but it was some people say it was a growing gig you know or something you know entertainment it just seemed quite dark and but i suppose that was uh you know for some people that's a good thing that wasn't really my gig but but yeah i'm sure some people will say i'm sure if some people get back to and say mccloskey you're talking [ __ ] it was the best gig ever bet you're glad you were there though i was glad i was there i was just an observer really i was an observer really yeah no i feel slightly guilty skipping over paisley in a sense but i thought i need one image because i only had 20 to begin with and that's very hard to distill that book into 20 images but i like this one because this is the bungalow bar this is joe from the band defiant pose and what we can see there behind the legendary bungalow bar is gig photographs of all the bands who played this you can see eugene reynolds and you can see what holly and the italians and things like that so um a place i mean obviously had silver thread for a few months in that summer of 77 and then on to the bungalow um and a an amazing runaband's plane there and it's captured uh again in the book uh to give us a flavor of the range of events that were held there it was um quite a place so i love you about the book as well sorry i love that about the book as well the fact you've got backstage on stage off stage yeah you know somebody pulling himself you know it's great and all the all the memorabilia as well yeah the ticket stops it's a great it's a great it's a great thing [Music] yeah malcolm you were going to say something there we've run essential essential pics you'd like to show now uh chris uh before we go over to taking a a couple of questions and a lot of comments not so much questions but um yeah let's just let's just carry on if you can't just do it i'll do a speedy we run through what else we've got malcolm just to see if it triggers anything just a great great photograph keith bell art school trained and you can see that and to me it just couldn't just the albums that the cure did at that time claustrophobic and atmospheric and kind of ambien you know and it's really really powerful image ed rodian again another top venue still exists actually still stands um birthday party i've got to mention night moves ken you'll have fun memories of playing there and going there as i do um yeah party nightmare is brilliant i love the fact i love the fact that these little boo these little yeah you know like b b sort of round round it was fantastic it was really really great you can get again you get really close to the the act and you actually go behind the act so i was actually quite nosy because i like being on you know like stage things and well what what pedals the guitar player using or whatever you know or what settings the amp or whatever you know um so he used to go behind and look at the look down i remember going down and watching nico playing with some of james king and the lone wolves yeah and then just working out we were getting the sounds and all that was great yeah yeah just the fact you could just queue up those stairs and if you got in you could just turn up and see these bands there was no tickets no nothing you could just go and see bauhaus or the birthday party or whoever it might be um yeah amazing to think now when you see what a pallava it can be going to see nick cave the very man what a hassle it would be to get to go and see him if you could get one now but um yeah well what would happen what would happen now would be they would release 100 to the public and keep 300 for via go go to sell on secondary ticketing sites so they would keep they would actually keep their own tickets and resell them at a hugely inflated price totally illegal via google live nation get a grip exactly this is a venue again that had various incarnations start with yeezys and the punk period and then daddy warbucks where it was sort of revived for the splash one club uh this wasn't one of those gigs it was around that time though and the mary chain are just becoming the biggest news of that period and jim's given us a lot of pictures for the book fantastic images and this is one that just captures them in these early days and uh you know very evocative and so many good gigs uh at that venue um sonic youth that was their first scottish gig again um put on splash one club 1986 angus has given us a group of pictures of that so the two perspectives from the very chain and then sonic youth from uh new york i think you could actually do another book now you know you've got this book you could do another book starting from about this period all right and take it right because in 10 10 years it takes you to get it together that would be you know be like for 35 years you know because that's a it's another shamelessness like there's a film but the scene in between and all that kind of stuff it's oh yeah yeah important the bells housing and you know it's vaselines and all that and jesus it's the canada that's the bastard children of this stuff and as you're going it gets easier to get images i mean there's hellish in the 70s trying to find anything and then as we move on with every passing year it gets away we've got to mention the clash busking tour haven't we in the rock garden um there were various gigs played in glasgow and edinburgh various venues visited um the rock garden is probably the best known one would you say yeah um i actually missed this i watched in the rock garden but i went to rock garden 1980 and bluegill's second gig was in the rock garden and but they had a great wee bit downstairs i'm not sure if this is upstairs that looks like it's downstairs but um it had been a russian and it wasn't didn't really work the restroom didn't really work it's called rocks rox so this looks as if it's down there but yeah i was away i was away some i think i was a blue bell at this point i think i was away in germany or something at this point but everybody you know they've got plaque and they've got you know we're talking about the twins yeah yeah the blue plaque thing they've got a plaque they've got a plaque in the other gig they did which was an older barton road which is called somebody tell me the name of the band so they've got a plaque but they had a plaque up until about three weeks ago guess what happened somebody mixed it they knocked it the clash the clash played here and it was a cracker it was really cool somebody nicked it didn't they god god yeah it's just like you know like well malcolm had our uh welcome with an exhibition on rock against racism and posters they said she helped then all that and somebody came in to street level and stole the posters what's the point you know it was really like you know exhibiting something yeah they did that actually yeah yeah desperate there can't be too many left now again maestro's we could talk all night but these venues each had their own um story to tell um another of simon's images i think this was this is where it became more dancing more electronic sort of more dancing sort of post punky new way yeah on the right yeah hollywood yeah and it's a kind of glamour about that picture that's generally missing from the book i would have to say um so i was determined to have whether i found any glamour and inverted commas that was going on [Music] mckenzie was not no stranger to a glamour either was he billy and paul heyer no pictures please um by john who's given us a group of people lovely lovely man very very unusual unusual person really really lovely spirit lovely spiderman you can't be picked me up to go and see the simple mines one day and a rolls royce but it was have you ever seen a knackered rolls royce a rolls royce but it was completely [ __ ] it was blue but at the yellow door because the trash were in the doors and it was all the seats were slashed and all that this was the cover of the book again lots of reasons but we talked about invercline briefly jamie's in guruk another legendary venue um and i just think this is such an unusual i wanted um again it's the human interest it's part of the appeal for me is that could only really have been taken at that moment in time it's 1984 you've got that cross-section the styles the very distinctive pipework and the ceiling of anyone who was ever in the venue will know it the meteors of course um and uh yes it's a great photograph that one um of our an important venue yeah i think we were just mentioning that whole point that it gets missed out a lot as well because everything's the glasgow music scene there's a lot of fantastic uh music came from inverclyde greenwood poor glasgow and jenny's was a crackweave crackway venue it was brilliant part of like an art deco sort of hotel yeah um the bay hotel i think it was but yeah you get the cuban heels you've got the stingrays you got uh shaking pyramids you got you know you know loads of loads of stevie richie's bands you know like 354 and really amazing musicians two really brilliant musicians uh this is just a great picture a really unusual picture again at rooftops from one of those little um on the the main walkway and anyone who's ever seen a band of that order will know that this is the sort of way the meters following had a particular way of showing their appreciation knocking seven bells at each other and it's just a great image and a really rare one to capture it's like a kind of whether it's the bash street kids or some kind of master drawing of a battle scene you know a limb sticking out and elbows and knees and boots just it's the sort of thing i really loved when i did yeah and then he went to america with a straight core you know what was that you jump in here you know a wash pit and yeah no lumps at each other but you don't drink you don't smoke you don't take drugs i think they just get too much www wrestling yeah exactly um still got more images so stop us malcolm if we're going on too long here i could talk all night but a classic image another moment in time it's the balance it's the smith's q 1985 you bet the posters for struts posters for smith's a friend of mine from school standing in the middle of the photograph and every saturday morning we will go down the bars and buy records and things like that so a great resonance for so many people and happily the balance going strong but super photo um frozen has a great image really clusters divine the crowd the glitter ball um again um john professional photographer but the music press and the 80s gave us this great body of work so cracking thing um the last one of the group again aberdeen the venue a much loved uh gig and this is an unusual one because um colin's camera was passed to anya the singer who took the photograph of the crowd and get this really unusual effect um she was a much more photographed person and just a great image a really unusual thing that i had to have so that's the end of the image selection so malcolm shall we hand back to you or where should we go from here well that's brilliant absolutely brilliant um summary of a couple decades of time and great commentary upon him as well there's um a few people watching that i should mention here russell loving your band mate from the blue bells has been watching us ken ronnie simpson was uh was one of the um the early bickers of bands at the apollo he's tuned down yeah let him know about that he first started off doing uh music and cabaret events you know before the the early days of the apollo in actual flag but he uh he was a guy who introduced the apollo award trophy for bands that sold out so it's great that he's tuned in as well john's up from zaps he's been watching as well a few other people um been watching sandy blair said uh i was at the cinema gig it wasn't it wasn't violent at all but there was a bunch of skinheads from livingston i'm told who caused a bitty derrick lowden took the simple mains photograph that you showed earlier on chris yep so he's been watching somebody else said uh ozolid said he supported the clash in 82 in inverness and the punks were all old-school and spent their time gobbing at me and 78 78 that was a compliment but by 1982 it maybe meant something else no yeah tom coyle asks what bands would you put on a clouds uh plaque i think you maybe mentioned a couple at the time chris what bands would you put on a clouds that's a good one tom that's a good one yeah what would be the top of the maybe the ramones be right up there well i put the blue bells for one bluebell should have their own one not unbiased yeah but come 100 what's haircut 100. yeah but with the support bank yeah yeah so that way i'm going to get it started yeah some great compliments coming in here right paula larkin said your biggest broadway thank you what what what else paula paula larkin thank you paula um yeah um let me just check the questions here um someday um gavin parson uh i hosted the gig when we placed the martin again plaque at the old barns i didn't expect to get a mention yep great um well what else have we got here there's probably a quite a few more that i've missed because i'm i'm trying to look at facebook at the same time here somebody did say earlier on uh alan kelly that he missed out sparks in 1975 at the apollo which was his first gig but if we start getting into what fell through the cracks here a band i've always loved i love sparks i've never seen them live um i just think they're fantastic i love their music but in the new book that you're doing you could do the a picture of sparks with franz ferdinand because they had fss oh yeah they've got to get made an album there's ffs so you can you can get pictures of them all together so we bring the glasgow element into it as well definitely sparks all right there is a guy who has got a good instagram um site called graham gavin who's been posting a lot of stuff which is kind of a 90s then he's like yummy for you know all those types of bands you know really interesting what made the mary chain so explosive compared to the other punk bands that came before them i don't know who's that's direct but well i think the the fact that they [Music] i think they the jesus mary chain had the there will be a bit younger maybe young for original punk i think maybe one is white or whatever but it'll be maybe a couple years younger but the they got the idea and spat up and chewed out and created their own kind of thing you know and and with the feedback and the and chaotic gigs and gigs lasted five minutes and ten minutes and so yeah it was quite confrontational i think they were quite confrontational to the audience and that was part of the attraction people wanted to get the pistol or whatever you know or people were looking for a riot basically they would certainly start their fight and i think they were very good at it i like their music um but the live thing is hard is it's hard to keep together without we could all easily go crazy and smash the place up but you know being asked back you know what i mean if you go to a party and smash it up or if you you know fight your muscles you'll not be lie back they were really you know going for that kind of thing and we are notorious and you can only live in your notoriety for so long yeah i think until it's not workable you know it's you'll be banned i think people would like you in the gig yeah that can also they were very punk they were very punk rock but i think there was a whole it wasn't a generation that people were ready for them but the people who were too young for punk like me i remember punk i was too young and they had a new sound that was dead and had good songs and there was a lot of stuff went along with it some of which they chose i think and some of which they didn't a but it was a very powerful kind of uh moment in music i seem to remember in that first single when that came out and then the album was was so strong but yeah they were everywhere weren't they yeah as a guy called alan clark has just posted saying uh malcolm took me to see blue oyster cult at the apollo now allen used to live next door i mean les miguel was hughie clark a huge pigeon uh that must have been 1978 or something ah so i was just looking at the ticket last night and it was like 2 50 to go and see blue oyster cult at the time malcolm was that not was that not the one where japan supported them that was a variant was that well it might have been legendary gig i got known japan at the time who knows who knows 78 no i think yeah somebody else is asking anne marie king who was scotland's main punk one thing i was named punk rockers oh um well we did with the skids these guests were brilliant the rosellas who were kind of sci-fi punk um simple mine started off as a punk band um bell started off a punk band that's how we call raw deal that's how we met bobby blueberry the fans eating called ten commandments and he interviewed us in the mars bar which had become the countdown um so you know but really the skids don't get a lot of credit as much credit as they should do the jolt yeah the joke or the first you know james king wolves or or any of the you know the fun four uh orange juice were a punk band called the new sonics yeah new sonics so they all um aztec camera were a post punk band called neutral blue yeah so they all you know they all started off at punk rock and then you know changed the name or whatever and you know but there was a whole bunch there's a whole bunch of and then all the edinburgh bands you know joseph k all them you know the you know um lots of plus ones of course they exploited the second wave of punk what about the question did maybe they mean the faces of the time who would you who sticks in your mind is that as the faces ken of the punk movement in glasgow the faces i would say people like george hayden who's in the second photograph you showed because he was missing he looked apart you know he had all the gear and he you know um and george's pals was people like the cowards there was parky a guy called parky who was like a guy john park right and he was um he was a lovely big guy ken on a hippie punk sort of thing um and he was really cool to we guys like us because if somebody tried to beat us up for not having the right haircut or whatever he would help us there was max maxwell who went on to be the singer of the alex harvey bands and all you know ladies there was a guy called willie senator who was in the ladies there was um those there was lots of different people i mean they didn't all look like punks probably but they were kind of faces at the time and then yeah the paisley guys john zip who's still doing the punk band you've got um arthur haggerty who worked very closely with um disco harry to put on the gigs in and silver thread yeah arthur worked in bruce's record shop again came from the hippie fraternity befriended the punk so loads of older hippies became friends of the punks and they helped you get any pubs and put on gigs and arrange things that you couldn't do yourself because you're too young so there's a whole bunch but i'd say parky was the king punk i love him god bless him no parking yeah do you know a guy called gordon mackenzie ken gordon mckenzie yeah why is ken so handsome so i don't know just tell me die in my beard steal the whole show here but um [Music] that's why it was so difficult to get the daddy warbucks shot nearly got flogged by the bouncers that was one of the images you'd shown the merry chain one yeah yeah yeah kraken yeah yeah he's a great photographer yeah sure is yeah so uh any more questions folks before we we wrap it up or listen to uh chris and kane chat a wee bit more for another minute or two we can do that sure we've got 81 people left in the audience it's going up and down what did we peek at what do we what did we pick up now well there was one we can't remember 114 right thank you boys thank you all for 12. so i really enjoyed it what um yeah if you want to come off of a screen share there chris could you right yeah yep so the book itself never um yes if you wanted to eat the the it's tangibility right you're talking about 500 pages here yeah yeah it's two there's two thousand images in this work yeah 500 pages uh i mean it's a must i'm pretty sure this book is uh gone it's gonna sell out so and give us a plug for uh last night in glasgow could you oh yeah yeah before we go so we're doing this gig it's bizarre like so we had a whole bunch of gigs organized in the rabbit hole this is as the blue bells right um during the summer and obviously they're all canceled because of the covert thing however the guy the people who put on swg3 the promoters and the the label the cooperative label last night from glasgow check them out uh they've got a fantastic website i've got together and they've worked out a way that we can have a gig in the galvanizer's yard in sw g3 and now this is a gig where it's picnic tables 33 picnic tables that can hold a maximum of six you have to have two different two different households are two different bubbles okay so you could have you your i don't know they're probably going to be more children friendly there's two gigs one starts at one o'clock one starts at six o'clock it's 60 pound a table however it's a tenor per head if you can get two groups of people it's quite hard to get two groups of people but you could bring your wiener or whatever or your granny or whatever right um they're also doing a new deal which is a table of four so if there's two couples you can pay i think it's 40 pounds but if you go on the website last night from glasgow the details are there okay and that's on sunday this sunday coming up it's a kind of experiment as i say health and safety experiment uh when you get to the gig you'll be ordering drinks on uh an app which you get when you buy a ticket they'll be lola and slacks who will be headlining we'll be on in the middle myself my brother david robert as the blue bell's acoustic and special guest is john mccusker the impresario fiddle player also from bothell um and we also have mark georgeson who's an artist on from colebridge who's on last night from glasgow so it's this sunday look out last night for glasgow website and you'll get details okay i'll post them on your website i'll post the details on street level website after this and malcolm xure that would be great so there's still tickets available i think they've sold out about three quarters of the tickets but if you want something to do on saturday afternoon sunday afternoon sunday the fourth lawrence lacks a fantastic band as we quit good and uh mark georgeson it was our tenor ahead okay yeah okay great stuff but i hope not i mean as if this isn't enough chris but let's say that this is part of a continuity and uh uh really looking forward to see to seeing what what comes next so that this will remain up on facebook folks so chris and ken you might want to have a look at the comments of the questions yes that you can then contribute just another wee plug there i'm sorry but the the first uh blue bells album sisters is coming out in november i do believe released by uh last last night in glasgow yes well last night from glasgow have we found out that we found out that our records are owned by london records forever and 70 years after we die okay so london records is bought by warner brothers who was bought by sony who were then bought by universal they just keep on cutting chunks off but we're forever indebted we're indentured slaves basically so a french label have now got our copyright to our songs um and they're going to give us a nice deal they're going to let us record put the recordings out if we give them a wee bit money and we're going to put out on a label called past night from glasgow which is a branch of last night from glasgow and last night for glasgow we're going to start doing re-releases of stuff that are it's deleted so we've got the album we've got the original tracks and we didn't really like the the way that the original album went so we changed two or three mixes all from the same time but they're just certain mixes you know there was one mix they did we called it the shaken stevens mix because it sounds like green door of everybody's family's film we hated that we were in germany at the time when they put it we did it for a laugh it's not on it okay we've taken it off and changed it with a mix that we liked and we recorded ourselves at the time so we've added two tracks as well just for value for money um if you buy it through last night from glasgow or monorail there's a fanzine which has been put together by steven pastel from monorail and there's also a flexi disk of cath whoa whoa by king crazel it's fantastic okay um it's a great package you can get it from last day from glasgow website or order it from uh monorail music they've got a good website you can get it in green blue red yellow i don't know there's loads of them there's 11 editions of five different colors and we're using the colors on the sleeve so the color the sleeves are the world sort of thing and it's blue green red yellow pink so there's one of these there's limited editions of each color so it's all very nice it's a great package and well worth 20 quid yeah that's a brilliant plug ken brilliant plug thank you yeah so thanks again folks last one for jim barlow you know said what a brilliant way to spend a thursday night especially thanks to chris for all hard work so we'd like to thank you as well for pulling this book together which brings things from the past back to the surface yeah yeah again in terms of increased relevance in the last any last word chris i don't think i've really enjoyed it thank you all for your time and your interest and your enthusiasm i've loved it thanks all for listening you can pick up a copy and street level shop you can order a copy here chris as well and through us yeah we'll just share the website in the details again very shortly so on that note um we'll say goodnight to you all so thanks very much uh everyone for joining cheers