why is it as a matter of theory and I'm hoping you can sort of Zoom way out here that the president um would not be required to follow the law when he is performing his official acts everyone else everyone else there are lots of folks who have very uh high-powered jobs who make a lot of consequential decisions and they do so against the backdrop of potential criminal prosecution if they should uh break the law in that um capacity and we understand and we know as a matter of fact that the president of the United States has the best lawyers in the world when he's making a decision he can consult with pretty much anybody as to whether or not this thing is criminal or not so why would we have a situation in which we would say that the President should be making official acts without any uh responsibility for following the law I respectfully disagree with that characterization the president absolutely does have responsibility he absolutely is required to follow the law in all of his official acts but the remedy for that is the question could he be subject to personal vulnerability sent to prison for making a bad decision after he leaves office but but other people who have consequential jobs and who are required to follow the law make those determinations against the backdrop of that same kind of risk so what is it about the president um I mean I've heard you say it's because the president has to be able to act boldly do you know make kind of consequential decisions I mean sure but again there are lots of people who have to make life and death kinds of decisions and yet they still have to follow the law and if they don't they could be sent to prison etc etc