WINNING THE DEBATE BY A WIDE MARGIN. >> SHE DID. SHE WON THE DEBATE AND WON THE NIGHT. I HAD FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE'RE SAYING SHE DID A GREAT JOB AND DID NOT WIN ANY VOTES. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON DID I TALK TO THAT CHANGED THEIR MIND BASED OEN THAT DEBATE. I FOUND IT FASCINATING BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID SHE DID A GREAT JOB AND SAID SHE WAS ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND I WAS A PERSON TO VOTE FOR HER. WHAT THEY SAID, UNDECIDED VOTE AND HAD NINE OF THEM IN THE ROOM SAID I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO DIFFERENTLY THAN JOE BIDEN. I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT'S DIFFERENT ALABAMA THE ECONOMY. I CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES NOW AND USED TO BE ABLE TO AND WHAT'S SHE GOING TO DO TO BRING PRICES DOWN. SHE DIDN'T ANSWER THAT VERY SIMPLE QUESTION FOR THEM, AND IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO VOTES SO GREAT THAT SHE HAD A GOOD NIGHT BUT DOESN'T MATTER. LARRY: YOUR BRILLIANT PRESS AGENT HARRIS FAULKNER WAS ON YESTERDAY TALKING AND WE HAD RESULTS OF REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS WE CAN PUT IT ON THE FULL SCREEN. THE YELLOW INDEPENDENT LINE IS MOVING REPUBLICAN, THE BLUE LINE IS FLATTENING -- HOLY COW. INDEPENDENTS, VERY INTERESTING. TRUMP DID PRETTY WELL. >> INDEPENDENTS WENT LOCK AND STEP WITH REPUBLICANS THE ENTIRE TIME WITH DONALD TRUMP. HE DID NOT HAVE THAT IN 2020. WE DIDN'T SEE IT AT ALL. WE SAW IT AGAIN NOW AND I THINK IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THAT MORE THAN 68% OF AMERICANS WANT CHANGE FROM HOW THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW. PETER DOOCY IS RIGHT. PEEP DON'T WANT THE STATUS QUO. SHE'S CHANGED HER SLOGAN MOVING FORWARD AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. HOW DOES SHE REPRESENT CHANGE? SHE HASN'T ANSWER THAT HAD QUESTION, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY BIG PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE GOING BACK FOR DONALD TRUMP AND FEELING BETTER AND ECONOMY WAS BETTER AND IMMIGRATION FELT BETTER AND A LOT OF THINGS FELT BETTER AND THEY'RE READY TO GO BACK. LARRY: CAROLINE DOWNY, CATASTROPHIC EVENT FOR TRUMP. >> WITH TRUMP WHAT HE DID WELL WAS THE PASSION. IT WAS A VERY SCRAPPY BUT REAL EMOTIONAL THING. LARRY: HE HAD REAL HAY MAKERS. HE HIT HER HARD. YOU KNOW THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. >> RIGHTEOUS ANGER. >> WHY A A CATASTROPHE? WIN THE NIGHT BUT NOT THE VOTE AND HAD A LOT OF PASSION AND HE'S THE CHANGE AGENT. ISN'T THAT -- >> MEDIA IS HIGHLY EXAGGERATING HOW MUCH OF A SLAM DUNK HARRIS HAD OVER HIM AND LIKE WE SAID UNDECIDED WERE LOOKING FOR MORE OF AN ANSWER ABOUT HOW HARRIS WILL GOVERN AND EXTREMELY POLISHED BUT DIDN'T GIVE SPECIFICS AS TO HOW SHE WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN BIDEN'S HORRIBLE ECONOMIC LEVERAGE. LARRY: EYEBALL ROLL. TAKE YOU BY THE STOCK IN ABC. WHO OWNS ABC? >> YOU WITHIN ALL THAT HAPPY WITH THE MODERATORS. >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS AND INCREDIBLY BIASED AND FACT CHECKED DONALD TRUMP AND NOT HARRIS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA PEOPLE WERE THROWING STONES AT THESE GUYS AND IT WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR THEM AND EMBARRASSMENT FOR ABC AND BOTH OF THESE POINTS, WHAT PEOPLE WANTED FROM KAMALA HARRIS WAS TO FLUSH OUT SOME OF THE TOP LINE POLICY THINGS THAT SHE SORT OF HAS THROWN OUT THERE. AND I THINK SHE CAN'T SO SHE DOESN'T SO THERE'S NO MEAT ON THESE BONES SO I SAY -- LARRY: MY RIFF TONIGHT AND GO BACK ALL OF YOU AND READ THERE'S A TERRIFIC COLUMN BY BION YORK IN THE -- BYRON YORK IN THE WASHINGTON EXAMER AND ON THIS POINT -- EXAMINER, ON THIS POINT. >> SHE SKIRT IT HAD ENTIRELY. LARRY: THAT WAS THE QUESTION, ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN FOUR YEARS AGO? YOU KNOW, AS A ECONOMIC PERSON, SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH. >> SHE CAN'T, LARRY. THE DISAPPOINTMENT IN DONALD TRUMP AS HE HAS 1,000 FACTS ON HIS SIDE. HE JUST DIDN'T EVEN DREDGE UP ONE TO MAKE -- DREDGE UP ONE TO MAKE HIS CASE. THAT WAS DISCOURAGING AND I HEARD BYRON DONALDS A HEAD OF TIME AND OTHER GUYS, TOM COTTON TALKING ABOUT TRUMP AND WHAT HE SHOULD SAY IN THE DEBATE. IT WAS A CLEAR MESSAGE ASK TRUMP DIDN'T DELIVER THE MESSAGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, GUESS WHAT, I MEAN I DON'T THINK HE'S RIGHT. >> THE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ON THIS LAST POINT, TRUMP REALLY GAVE A DETAILED ECONOMIC SPEECH BEFORE THE ECONOMICS CLUB THAT WAS COVERED WORLDWIDE AND SPEAKING IN NEW YORK IN MIDTOWN BUT A GLOBAL SPEECH AND VERY GOOD SPEECH IN MY OPINION. MIGHT NOT EVEN LIKE THE SPEECH BUT WOULDN'T BEGRUDGE THE FACT IT WAS CAREFULLY PUT TOGETHER SPEECH WITH A NUMBER OF POLICY DETAILS, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT HE KNOWS THOSE DETAILS SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED MORE DETAILS DIDN'T COME OUT. BUT ON YOUR POINT, ABOUT INDEPENDENTS AND NOT WINNING THE VOTE BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT CAROLINE WAS SAYING EMOTIONALLY OR IMPACT OF POLICY, THOSE INDEPENDENTS SAYING? DID THEY, DID YOU INTERVIEW THEM? WERE THEY SAYING THAT IT WAS ABOUT CHANGE OR THEY DON'T LIKE HER OR DID LIKE HIM OR -- CAN YOU -- IS THERE A WAY TO NARROW DOWN ON THAT? >> THEY SAID THEY WERE IMPRESSOD WITH THEIR PREPARATION AND SMARTER THAN THEY EXPECTED HER TO BE, BUT SHE DIDN'T ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. LARRY: LIZ'S POINT. >> DIDN'T GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER OR ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF THE ECONOMY AND DIDN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF IMMIGRATION. BUT ONE POINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE DEBATE AND VERY FEW THING IT IS REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID AND REMEMBER TWO THINGS. ONE REMEMBER THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE DOGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY AND THE OTHER THEY'LL REMEMBER IS THAT HE SAID WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS. WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH AT THE END OF THE DEBATE AND WENT THROUGH AND ASKED EVERY SINGLE VOTER WHAT STUCK OUT TO THEM, THAT WAS THE THING. LARRY: THAT WAS A UPPER CUT TO THE JAW THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A KNOCKOUT IN THE 15TH ROUND. FRANKLY. >> IT WAS A STALEMATE AT END OF THE DAY AND FRUSTRATING FOR TWO REASONS BECAUSE TRUMP HAS ALL THE STATISTICS AND ARSENAL TO BRAG ABOUT AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS RECORD LOW UNEMPLOYMENT FOR MINORITIES UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION AND FACT THAT REAL WAGES WENT UP. HE DID NOT SITE ANY OF THAT AND SIMILARLY THE KAMALA HARRIS ON THE ECONOMY FAILED TO EXTRICATE HERSELF FROM BIDEN. >> HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY ALL THOSE THINGS AND EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, RIGHT, LEFT, MIDDLE, DECIDED, UNDECIDED SAY THAT TRUMP'S ECONOMY WAS A BETTER ECONOMY. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LIST FACTS. PHACOS AREN'T THE MESSAGE. >> THEY SAY KAMALA HARRIS LIES ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE TRUMP ECONOMY. STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT WORST UNEMPLOYMENT SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. NO, THAT WAS BECAUSE COVID SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY. THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE LISTENING TO HER SAYING OH, BOY. SHE LIED ON THAT. LARRY: LIED ON ABORTION. >> SHE LIED ON EVERYTHING. LARRY: OPPOSED, HE'S OPPOSED A FEDERAL BAN ON ABORTION. HE'S FAVORED IN VITRO FERTILIZATION. DOES THAT MATTER SHE LIED ON A KEY ISSUE AND SOCIAL ISSUE THAT HAS EMOTIONAL APPEAL AND ABC MODERATORS AND DIDN'T CALL HER ON IT. >> BY THE WAY, IT'S INCREDIBLY IGNORANT AND SHAME ON HER SHE DOESN'T KNOW THAT . >> FOUR DESIGNATED WAR ZONES AND MEMBERS STATIONED IN IRAQ AND YEMEN. >> DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THAT. LARRY: SMARTER THAN YOU THINK. SMARTER THAN YOU THINK. >> IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU'RE GIVING A BALL LAPSED VIEW AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OPPORTUNITIES WERE A LOSS A FACT OR TWO GOING A LONG WAY AND LIZ AND I INTERVIEW ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST INTERESTING AND I LOOKED AT IT FOR HER SAYING OKAY, I'VE SAID 100 TIMES ON THIS SET, SHE'S NOT STUPID AND NOBODY SHOULD CALL HER STUPID. SHE'S NOT A MORON AND NOBODY SHOULD CALL HER THAT. I'VE SAID THAT MANY, MANY TIMES. HAVING SAID THAT, SHE PROVED THAT. THE BARFS LOW FOR HER AND -- BAR WAS LOW FOR HER AND TACTICALLY SHE SCORED POINTS BUT POLICY WISE, EMOTIONALLY, I LIKE YOUR EMOTIONAL POINT VERY, VERY MUCH. THIS VOTE AND THAT'S OKAY. LARRY: ALL OF YOU. PLEASE. I NEVER LIKE TO STOP