now from his niece Mary Trump author of The just relased book who could ever love you a family Memoir first of all I have to ask you about the debate what do you think for me it was the first time I've seen somebody figure out a way to completely rattle the former president and in the most simplistic of ways you criticizing you know suggesting people were bored by his rallies and leaving and from then on he was just yelling that that that needled him so much he was knocked off the rest of the night it was incredibly validating that debate um because some some of us have known for a while that that is the way to go but who's been in a position to press him in that kind of U venue nobody there's one figuring that out and two having the ability to do it even if you know that's how to do it well that was the thing that she did so brilliantly uh vice president both gave substantive answers to questions to help the American people get to know her better and what she's going to do for our country while going straight at Donald's vulnerabilities uh the narcissistic injury she inflicted on him in the first 10 or 15 minutes of the debate did exactly what it needed to do which as you just said was make him unravel he couldn't recover and honestly I he's not going to you write uh in your new book The Trouble with Donald had started long before he entered school at home he tormented his little brother Robert a year and a half younger and seemed to have nothing but disdain for everybody else including perhaps especially his mother the kids in the neighborhood alternatively despised and feared him he had a reputation for being a thin-skinned bully who beat up and younger kids but ran home in a fit of rage as soon as somebody stood up to him I mean is that I mean it's so it's fascinating to hear that description of a little boy and seeing the man that is one of the most damning and dangerous things about Donald Trump and that is the thing that that one of the things that makes him most unfit he's never evolved from that that's still who he is you see that in him now absolutely I mean your book is very moving it's deeply personal you write about you know your childhood growing up in the Trump family your father uh suffered from alcoholism he died when he was just 42 years old and you write about this comparison between how your father was treated by his by your grandfather and how the former president was kind of molded into the person he is today yeah I interestingly um because my dad was eight years older than Donald he was the heir he was the namesake he was the oldest son um all of the attention was on my dad for a long time the expectation was on him because he was the oldest exactly uh very much in the mold of that time as the oldest son in namesake he was expected to take over the family business/ Empire and for reasons that that aren't necessarily explicit my grandfather found my father wanting even though my dad had every intention of fulfilling that role his problem was that he wasn't as tough as my grandfather wanted him him to be and he also had interests outside of the family business uh he was an expert boatsman and fisherman and pilot and my grandfather had nothing but contempt for those things uh so by the time my dad was in his early 20s my my grandfather had already shifted attention to Donald when you see Donald Trump on the stage last night compared to what he was in 2016 or even 2020 do you see a a big difference I do um especially from 20 years ago but even from 18 uh eight years ago he is um he has much less impulse control to the extent he ever had any uh he is incapable of bringing a thought to conclusion he goes off on tangents and I think part of it is because he hasn't been pressed he hasn't been challenged and he's gotten away with so much this is a man who spent his entire life pushing the envelope to see what he can get away with and as as soon as he realizes nobody's going to stop him he pushes the envelope some more there's so much in in the book um Mary Trump thank you so much thank you Anderson it was wonderful F to be here