Surviving Paradise Reunion with Aaron & Justin

what's up what's up [ __ ] welcome back to another episode of positively uncensored part two of what I'm calling the informal reunion that Netflix didn't give surviving Paradise cast today I'm with Justin and Aaron and I'm super excited you guys are here welcome pleasure to be here especially with my boy here with my boy it would happen no other way how we doing God I'm like we have like a like LOD going on like you guys are A and J of the original Taj and I can be the L we can just make up our own team there you go season two starting right now there we go exact exactly before lead us in the battle Yeah I love that L for Leah L for leader I'll take it um before I forget Everybody follow them on socials so it's Justin assada like ass and then ad a and then it's Aaron Blake with two A's yep every time you say your name do you always think a Aon just because of the like skit because I always Aon yeah it's wild because like Aaron comes up but my middle name's also Blake so it was just the most bizarre thing when that video came out I was like there's no way that just happened for the rest of my life that was a a Ron I was like for the whole thing forgot I forgot about that everybody remembers a Aon nobody remembers bake but it was I remember trust me you remember because I get it it's right there for you okay so thank you guys for both joining me um I always start by asking my guests what their favorite reality show is but I feel like I'm not sure if you guys are Buffs or not so have you watched before you went on a show I'm be honest I didn't watch a ton of reality TV before surviv in Paradise but my siblings love the challenge and so if I had to pick one I'd say that's probably because I'm a very like I'm an active person so I always imagine myself if I was on reality TV it would be something like that and I guess we kind of got that's no I wouldn't say it was the challenge but we got like a taste of like I guess challenges that like I was excited about but I would have loved to do something a little bit more physical like that I love to hear that okay cool what about you er um Justin sorry don't worry it happens all the time um I'm looking at the too like I'm not like saying I'm not a crazy reality TV buff but the funny thing is my sisters are super into it like Bravo TV wheelhouse wives like above deck or below deck see I told you I'm not a big one but the funniest thing is my big one was and the thing that got me kickstarted on reality TV is I used to watch um are you the one with my ex-girlfriend oh yeah uh yeah funny enough like she was like you would kill it on this show back in college so I'm like yeah let me apply and I I got to the final round and she was like you're not going on bud so but that parlayed into this we'll get into it but that that's that's like not you being messy you're like this story where they like at the end they're the guys like he had a girlfriend before he came on and he left her just to do the show like that would have been you you'd be like hey going into the final round right and I'm thinking I'm like looking at her we both love the show and she's like hey going into the final round like what do we think we break up she's like yeah she's like yeah we do that we're done so oh well but everything happen for a reason like I said everything this is everything later but no that was literally the start to to get on um to get on Surviving Paradise so the network right like just networking with everyone yeah Okay cool so I'm gonna get to that in a second because I defin itely want to know how you guys were casted and I feel like that has something to do with your origin story but before I go there you guys both mention I think sisters and when I had Alex on I dove in a little bit to his family tell me about where you guys are from tell me just like a little bit about yourself that we didn't get to know on the show if you don't mind yeah shoot brother yeah you first Justin that's fine start it off this time yeah I know because for whatever reason they didn't give us intros they only give a select few intros on the show which is kind of unfortunate right yeah so um yeah so I'm Justin obviously I'm from Boston Massachusetts spent my time uh basically in like I used to live in the city now I'm a bit I'm homeless now but um was on Cape KATU I don't know if you're familiar with h Massachusetts but it's the beachy area I'm very much like a surfer skaty type guy spent a lot of time out in California Charleston South Carolina good waves good sweat well but in terms of family like love family family is everything to me um older brother twin sister and the younger sister so oh my God super interesting so like Coastal Guy close-knit family um I forgot I lived in Newport Beach for like four years I just came back I'm on the East Coast now but all the Surfers called it the funniest thing and I wish I could remember it they'd be like dude we got to get out there like the swells are like it would be something so funny like like the swells are bit and i' be like yeah you go in there cuz I'm not like I'll live vicariously for you guys but okay so that's really cool so you have a twin sister what's her name let's plug her should I plug I don't know if I can I don't know if she wants me to she doesn't want to be plugged then don't do it but like you know if she was like a k the Kim of the family obviously we have to give her her shine no that's me baby I'm the Kim I love it my my my family is like very much behind the scenes like not too much out there and then I'm like The [ __ ] who uh you know just like wants the spotlight at all times so it me before I move before I move to um eron what's your sign oh Sagittarius big sag okay cool say anything about it though I'm a Sagittarius rising and all I know is that we're the life of the party that's what I get told so that's all I know okay Erin your turn I want to hear about all right yeah like Justin said it's it's wild because like our stories are why people certain people connected so it's kind of crazy that that wasn't in the show you you have no real like Foundation of why people connected other than like a few lines but uh we were very similar like uh brother and sister from a small town called Bowmont Texas I live in Dallas now uh but always been like a super active dude like I like to run a lot I do like Spartan races and like have marathons and things like that I just I love to be active which is why I was super excited about this show being like challenge oriented from what they told us um because like I just grew up like my mom's a marathon runner and so that's like a real big way that we bonded and I know I'll talk about my dad later in the show but that was a huge thing in my profile uh family is like everything to me like I meant it from like the very start and I said in my profile if I would have won they would have 100% went towards them like there's nothing more important to me like I'm a pretty simple guy I can live on rice and beans for like how long we were there I don't need much um so family to me is like you really just can't beat that you know and good friends of course like the ones I made on the cast you're such a good person I've heard it echoed from Eva I've heard it echoed from Alex but you can really tell like on the show that family is first like although we don't get to see much of you you can tell that you're loyal to your family I felt like you were super genuine um I'll get to this later but like unlike Gabe I really felt like you would use your money like for what you said so yeah I'm GNA say that because it's just how I feel I than thank you so much I thank you yeah um but going back to you because you're important here um I could tell that you were authentic you're a Family Guy and I've heard that echoed by your castmates so I'm just I'm like glad to be able to give you guys your flowers and hear more about you and give you the shine that the show didn't because as you said that was unfortunate I was dying to hear about you guys and I felt like a lot of your stories were probably cut because how could you not all be talking and you know growing closer there so this is the opportunity that I was glad to have and then share with others so that they can kind of get to know all of you too well I mean yeah thank you for yeah I mean that's just so makes makes me emotional I appreciate that because with that little bit of like time that we we all got like it resonate up with you to want to give us this platform so I appreciate that that's what I was most excited about I was like hopefully somebody sees my Tik Tok and lets me talk with them because um I'm dying for this show and I'm dying for all these people so let's go into casting how were you casted was anybody found on hinge anything sketchy done like what happened with Kelso like give me the tea cool so um for me similar what Justin kind of said um I started making Tik toks a few years ago and as Like That Grew I think when I got around like 50k or so I started getting reached out to by like different producers and different shows and um uh completely SE from Netflix so I'll talk about this I was this close to being on The Bachelorette um for Michelle season I was like right there but like Justin there was I had just started talking to someone so like in the middle of the process yeah in the middle of the process yeah so it was like once I got the final like just sign this and you're going out to you know do the thing I was just like ah but then right around that time it was also crazy but right around that time a Netflix show reached out and they were like would you want to do this and it was like not dating related and I was super excited about it so I took that pulled the trigger there ended up not on it so that sucked um but then you know come last year reached out to us about to rob in Paradise or what we would know it as Jet setet and uh yeah then I got on and then now we're here okay wait I have to comment first I love the tea that it was called Jet Set I was dying to know what it was called because I applied for a show and then I stopped apply I got like nervous I applied for a show and it was like million dooll Island and I was like no way in [ __ ] is that what this really is like I'm going to get there and it's to be something to but I'm glad to know that um and then second of all you would have made it all the way in Michelle's season I'm telling you right now your compet like you would messenger Messer like hands down H you would have made it so far I hope to see you I would die for you on the back I would die for you as Bachelor like um but you know Leah you're I'll manifest that's all I can do I feel like my ego has been ra far than I would have ever imagined from just like 10 minutes that's it that's what I'm here for I I I hype people up okay so Justin what's your story that was so cool thank you so much Erin I love hearing that of course yeah no I didn't even know about the bachelor dude what that's crazy of course Still That Girl too right still dating her similar story right but um I told you about I auditioned for a to one and then I just completely ghost to the final interview they probably hated me for that and then um sitting in bed I'm living in uh Charleston South Carolina with my ex-girlfriend at the time too and a show reached out and actually was a casting producer he texted me and he was like hey is this Justin this is uh so and so uh got your casting information from are you the one like what happened there like so I had to go into detail about that he's like well we think you be you know a good fit to to try out for this show and then went for that show um funny enough what was with my ex-girlfriend at the time and I was super anxious going into it right I don't know why and so I was just chugging vodka just like taking shots of like that weird Russian vodka went on the uh went on the audition absolutely [ __ ] based um was hilarious but couldn't put you they they did but they were like yeah this kid's too much and um ended up not getting it and then all of a sudden the same producer reached out and he's like dude don't worry there's this new show called Jet Set is coming out and uh you'd be a great fit for it so I'm like [ __ ] yeah dude let's do it and uh that's how it started and they're like do you love luxury like do you love like definer things in life and like here I am I'm broke as [ __ ] at the at the time and I'm eating Ramen in like Hot Pockets I'm like [ __ ] yeah like [ __ ] yeah I'm [ __ ] so luxurious I'm like oh yeah I know I'm like dude hell yeah so uh it was super funny and then I watched the last episode Alex didn't talk about it much but the funniest thing was is and Aaron can attest to this it's like 20 or yeah what is it 2020 2021 and they were like yeah they were like yeah you got it dude like you're on and uh you killed it and just wait for that next uh email or wait for that next phone call and that next phone call didn't come for what almost a a year like a year later so because it was put off because of uh coid and restrictions and things of that sort right so then they finally reached back out like however long later yeah they just like had to check that we were the same people and then like I remember one of The Producers being like yeah your hair got longer I'm like yeah it's been a year so go figure do you know that they were like calling people to make sure that they like didn't gain a bunch of like coid weight like are they still like super hot to put on TV I'm probably going to cut this part out but I'm saying that to you guys like that's that you know that that's what they were probably doing no they they literally did they did they were like I was checking to see you hav't put on any like weight or anything like that you had gotten Bal so yeah yes are you still like you k or is he something great okay so this is fun so you guys so you're basically both were like sought out by another show they were interested in you and then you ended up here did you like cuz Alex said that he kind of pitched himself to like seem luxurious and like that then he went when he ended up at the nice hotel he was like yeah of course I got here um did you guys stay at the same Hotel like the day one people were you all at the nice place during sequester or whatever no no we weren't absolutely not no no I'm got Hotel because they were saying that they're like dude come out here I'm like they're like are you all right with like I'm like dude put me in a [ __ ] yeah so I think they like really took that to heart and they put me in some shitty hotel damn you see that's where you should have like totally kept going with what you were saying ignore the Hot Pockets like I'm King five stars or nothing but it didn't have benefits I remember my hotel wasn't that nice but it was downtown and so like that was the thing so you had like an hour or two like outside and so like Aaron you were not to speak for you but you were kind of like in the middle of like rural Greece and I was left I don't even have much to say about M like the people were really it was like a small like small owned a part Hotel thing and it was really nice like the people but nothing I mean there was nothing nothing for me to do I wouldn't call it luxurious I wouldn't call it like terrible it was just in the middle like you said Ral rur roll nowhere I would go like on runs like almost getting ran over by like cars cuz like the streets are like super narrow uh so definitely didn't live in the but I didn't pitch myself that way either I was like you know put like Justin put me anywhere I'm just happy to be here yes I get that just like grateful to be chosen it's been a year since I thought that this show was going to be done I get that spot on spot on um is they definitely chose like who had they looked at who brought how many bags and that's what it was that's my that's my Alex and SK they were like oh put them somewhere that's actually so smart and if I do ever get casted I'm going to bring a [ __ ] ton of bags even if just in it is like my food that I like enjoy the most that's what I'm going to do or nothing just bring the bags yeah oh light like all my stuff's light sorry um boy yeah can you carry this it's like nothing um is it like so other shows I've talked to sometimes it's isolating like when you do your like sequester before you get on the show to the point where like by the time you get there your mind is already kind of like a little bit malleable was it easy like or did it kind of like take you aack just being thrown into the process so for me it's interesting because I would say that I handle I probably handle most things like that pretty well like I don't really mind isolation especially like being a computer science major I spent so many hours like in school just by myself we were a really small department so like I sometimes I even work better that way what sucked was like I said my experience with the other show that I never got into that is the only thing that stayed in my head I was like is this going to happen again I was like am I gonna am i g to fly back home and like just sit here for another like x amount of days that was probably the most gring thing for me um because I just you don't know till you know on these shows right yeah uh other than that I thought it was pretty chill it's very calmon you don't get that a lot when you're home so it's kind of nice to get that piece not if you feel like you might not end up on it that part can suck that makes sense you're like Security on the show if you have it easy chilling if not I get that what about for I don't want to like I don't want to air too much about the uh audition process out but the craziest part about it was they had told us going out there that auditions like weren't over still that they were going to fly us out and auditions would continue so it would be like the final interview so I think we had a quarantine for I don't know they gave us like a burner phone that we could like but there was a VPN so we couldn't access social media you could talk to people on WhatsApp and that was about it so I just watched like [ __ ] like YouTube videos on like little like uh like I don't even know it like Filipino men bu like building small huts and stuff like that in pools it was crazy but um no if you they're on YouTube they're crazy they build like these Oasis it's unbelievable but then um I feel like I haven't seen that but I should sorry crazy and then at the same time too like like the TV didn't even work it was nuts but we do our final interiew interview and um I remember I went back to my mom and I was like I'm not going to get it like the interview went [ __ ] like like I just wasn't myself I just kind of I told Aaron about this too like wasn't myself was way too over the top and my mom like in swed she's like biggest Boston accent she's like Justin it's okay sweetie come home it's not for everybody like this is fine you'll come home you'll get a job work and then all of a sudden I got the all after and uh they told me I was going to be in the first wave so but the funniest thing is and I'll end it here I'm rambling me and Aaron talk about our interview and our initial interview and before the show like how everything was going to come out well you know like I'm thinking that I need to get on this show I need to bring the energy so they're like they asked me they're like all right Justin explain yourself like who are you I'm like I'm Justin I'm 6'4 215 lbs of muscle Ste and sex appeal so after we're talking about the initial interview and how it all went right and I'm like bro mine's gonna be so douchy like I [ __ ] sold it big time I'm like I don't even think they liked it and so I'm like Aaron how'd you sell it and Aaron was like I was just kind of myself he's like I was like oh you didn't bring any douchiness into it and then Aon was like no I just kind of told him like who I am and what I'm about I'm like [ __ ] dud I'm going but hey luckily it all got scrapped and I'm a nice guy I feel like people would turn that on they'd see me like [ __ ] this guy this guy sucks I would have loved to do that I just feel like like I feel like I wouldn't pull that off as well like you can go in there and just start doing that they would tell I'm an impostor they would have been like stop start this over do the Aaron thing cuz this isn't working I was like I can't pull that off as well that was so [ __ ] funny I know I feel like you sounded like a car salesman like it was like so aggressive like yo what's up but the funny thing is like they kind of had like a they knew that I wasn't like luxurious guy so they're like okay bring the energy but but be yourself a little bit and they're like what type of guy are you like how like what do you do when you go out on the weekends so I like was like myself I have like a weird sense of humor I'm like I'm kind of like a dimly lit like foggy like hometown bar guy like somewhere like you might s like see your like your priest or like your te- ball coach and like have a beer with them and they're like yeah let's bring that back you're a club guy just say you like going to the club I'm like you're gonna scare people so yeah oh my God they knew I was like playing a character that is actually so funny thank you for sharing that with me um I would actually die if on every show at the end like at the reunion they aired everybody's casting tapes because you never think that like somebody would like be pitching like you don't think about that like being nervous like casting yourself like really trying to sell yourself in like a 30C like interview or like video um I would I wish that they just had like a reel of that love that um it'd be some gold it'd be some gold You' You' have a lot I still have my initial interview that I've sent them so I'll send you guys that you get a chuckle out of it yeah please do maybe I can put it like Stitch it with this or something because um the people want to see it that's for sure so going back to the game we talked about that you guys are like two physical competitors like you guys kind of expected a challenge um what did you guys strategize once you knew the type of game that you were in like what did you decide that you were willing to do for the money before did you have any no goes that you wouldn't cross playing the game I mean we we talk about it and um you know like the fans kind of give us [ __ ] about it too but like going into it I was like I'm gonna step on people's toes like who are these people to me like this is going to be a two week show and you know I'm not going to think too much of it right as soon as I met Aaron on the boat it's like [ __ ] dude you're you're making it hard to like you know be selfish in a game or be yeah selfish in a game like this yes and so me being like a college athlete too like you know playing football playing sports my whole life I'm going in thinking like okay like this is cake like you know I'm GNA go in there I'm gonna rid everyone of of all these physical challenges but obviously you see that's not the case too and it comes down everything that's like everything psychological and that was like the biggest hump for me and then also with that like I said um you you know there's something to be said about spending like every waking minute with someone and getting to know who they are and you know where they come from and essentially just every fiber they're being and uh if it's it's hard to be it's hard to put yourself first too knowing that there's people out there who are you know in a similar situation but definitely need you know I don't know I won't Ramble On too much but those were the those were the two obstacles that I thought like were the biggest things like no physical challenges and then uh obviously building the bonds with the people that we made friends with that's yeah 100% I completely agree with that um like Justin we came in there completely ready to just do what we had to do like we've probably all at least seen shows of challenges so like you know your your mind can just run with that idea right and all the things you can do uh but what's funny is that as I definitely got like and I'm I think that really is me um and I got a really nice nice guy like edit for the show and I was really happy about that um but I can also be a bit of a skeptic like we went on to like the catamaran when I met Justin and Tabitha and one of the first things I told them was like I'm gonna be honest y'all this is just too much I feel like they're setting us up and they were like really I was like I just this is too I was like this is too nice we didn't do anything it's not like we're we're not famous we're not like we didn't we didn't do anything to just have luxury and but what the way they got me was that it was so late when we finally got moved down to Camp I was like well okay well then maybe I was wrong then they finally did it and I was like so I was ready for that yeah uh I would have you know I definitely would have went liked it a little earlier but after I like accepted it I don't think too many things were an issue um other than not being able to compete like it's one thing to like lose like like Jus and I played Sports most of our lives like it's one thing to lose if I lose the competition that's whatever but to constantly be in a position of like wondering or like trying to guess what happens next or trying to get ahead of something that you probably won't get ahead of that's pretty tough because you just you lose you relinquish all control and you have this strategy that may or may not even play a role into what happens next uh and that that's probably just the most challenging thing in my opinion that's a really good point that um I didn't really hear from Alex or EVO when we spoke and I had really thought of like if you come in really great at physical challenges and that's where you you're like this is going to be my strong suit I'm going to crush it and then everything is like tactical social game mental game um then it's like you're kind of taking a back and like reprocessing and like trying to figure things out especially since you guys don't know people like that's what makes it harder like you can have a great Vibe with someone and be like yes let's let's align and then all of a sudden kind of be surprised by who you like which is ultimately what happened for you um like you guys aligned with Tabitha you know because you you adapted you went with the social game it's like all right you know they're on the same level as we are and then next thing you know it wasn't that way um with that being said do you guys wish that you could go back and pick a new alliance and if you could have you know who would you have free Alliance with good [Laughter] question um so to be honest and I don't know if as like I'm curious about this like when if I was to say this in hear what people have to say about it I know when you watch the show it's very clear and evident like the problems that are happening but like it is important I'm sure everyone will say this but it is important to keep in mind that like we didn't see Tabitha again like ever for like the rest of the game after Tabitha left so there's this whole component of like it can go from extremes right like it can go as high as as everyone else against us and is trying to make sure our alliance is destroyed and then as far as like our we idiots in allowing Tabitha to do like there's a whole spectrum of possibility that we can't possibly know so I think you know I I can't say I would make a different decision um from the like initially because we knew what we knew we started how we started and you know you just you can't change something you don't know um that being said if there was anything we did differently I probably would have just like after the first or second thing that came to us probably just been a little quicker at cutting that Alliance because we just didn't know how bad it was going to get um but I mean we started pretty strong yeah and I think the game got to Tabitha I think the game got to everyone and it just really became something like that we didn't expect in the beginning but I mean we thought what we thought and we tried our best to like stay consistent and be good allies like sometimes that's all you can do don't fault you guys for that at all do you have the same perception um or the same feeling Justin or do you feel like you know you might have like missed something or overlooked something that you would have typically for sure and like watching it back right it's clear day and everyone's saying like you know like what were you guys doing and like yeah absolutely like you forget though we can't see anything we can't see [ __ ] of what's going on but the funny thing is too like with tab right I've gotta work to get the pronouns right too so if I say it just correct me but um the funny thing was when they were first in their their they had their first altercation with Lise right and it was the toothbrush thing that we heard I want to say and then when someone relays that information to me like I'm not quick to jump off the tab uh Alliance so to say because I I know Lise too and I know Lise is playing a game I don't know that tab's playing a game but I know Lise is a big is a big personality so I'm thinking maybe you know both of them big personalities they just went at it but uh yeah like now watching it back yeah if I could go back in time and you know after everything's unraveled the way it did I would definitely probably sever ties with tab in the beginning or even maybe use them in a way that you know could benefit me going forward how I'm not sure I haven't really thought too much in that in that in entirety there but uh right yeah no just kind of salty about what happened and how everything unfolded and after that you know initial watch back too I was pretty upset too yeah I I would I would absolutely be upset because it's just kind of like you're Bamboozled and especially with you know it's easy to tell people to like ignore comments but as just like humans we really aren't meant to have that many people's opinions so it's like if you're already like kind of beating yourself off over you know damn I wish I saw those traits in Tabitha I would have played things differently and then you go online to hear it echoed by you know 200 people a thousand people whatever the number is um it just kind of makes things worse you know because like you just said nobody at home realizes one the depth to the relationship sh that people initially form and it's like no you don't see why we thought Tabitha was so cool and then you also we don't know as viewers that you guys aren't even near each other like you guys can't see the signs about Tabitha because you're not interacting so that's a good perspective that people need to think on and and maybe I'm naive right and I've been told and this is a weird comparison but like I'm the type of guy that like dates a girl or talks to a girl and like a bunch of other girls are like what are you doing dude like this girl sucks I'm like I'm just trying to give people the benefit of the doubt like I can just I don't know I go along with people but the funny thing is is like Aaron can attest for this too when tab was like in Camp in the beginning they were super like um like I don't even know they were just very like friendly very amable we cooking every time we're cleaning and like when people ask like why did you vote tab into obviously there's the alliance but then again like we voted tab in because we thought we thought at the moment that they they really deserved it they were going out of their way to keep people's spirits up to cook to clean and do all that so that's what I will say there do you believe like that the game changed Tabitha or you know after knowing what I know from the prior episode which if you're listening and you haven't listened to go listen to my episode with Alex but he he did say you know that Tabitha left the group chat and just like things after the season just kind of echoed what we as viewers saw during the season so is this like a a character trait or was this what the effect of the game what in your opinion so I think it's a it's a little bit of it's easy answer but it's a little bit of both like if you're that person you're that person yeah like a game can't just extract that out of you like there's something in you that just that's how you perform that's how you compete you know um and as someone who's like I'm a gamer I'm an athlete like I I honestly like I genuinely was not offended by the way our alliance broke down I'm like you play how you play like I don't play like that but if that's what you decided to do you go ahead and do it um I think what happen post show is that not everyone is going to be that reasonable with seeing some of the things that you did like not everyone's going to look back and be like I'm cool with that um it's a game it's gonna be like well no like I expect it I expect this out of a person I expect this out of a friend or someone that I would want to continue have in a relationship and I think um I think whenever you have something aired and then the public opinion comes into play and there's so much scrutiny there's so many more variables now that make the situation like you can criticize things even more than you did prior to um so yeah I mean I think the game once T the got a little power and was in there and like could talk to Alex and like had the thing with Lise I think it all became so big and you're just getting that much closer to winning this big prize that it might exasperate an issue that was already there yeah um and you know and then we're kind of casualties of that because we're sitting there like hey Tabitha anytime you want to bring us up you know you know we're here uh but you know for me at least for our relip I'll speak differently about the whole like coping thing and everything because that was a whole another thing that we didn't know about like we didn't know about that relationship but of our alliance like again not offended by it I just think it can it can easily just rub people the wrong way yeah let's talk about copen for a second because I feel like that was that was [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] it's awful and you know what I won't go into too much about outside of what has gone on in in the real world but like this is someone like it's tab was going to pick someone and say like you know they had a genuine connection with with someone from the show was copin so watching it back after the whole Lighthouse decision like we were pissed but then we're like what what is this conversation it kept going back to that conversation what is this conversation that Tabitha had with copen that completely swayed them from choosing us that like it manifested throughout the show and then even after the show like The V they would visit each other like you know they had the friend and you know maybe they are friends outside of the show but watching that back was probably the most infuriating thing about the whole situation I mean you can take me and Aaron like I know I'm super opinionated I wait until you know I get to my boiling point Aaron's a whole lot more patient than I am but if there's a you know a choir boy an angel from that cast it's copen and the fact that he was manipulated and and taken advantage of when he was you know thought he was in a genuine friendship with someone like like Tabitha that like I almost had to stop watching the episode after that whole conversation piece I'm like are you [ __ ] serious this is the length that they went to play and what I will say too is to end that and sorry to to ramble on here no but if tab were to come out and be like this was the character that I was playing or even like you know what the game got the best of me and it was someone that you know I didn't necessarily but they're they're just not social either they're not socially aware or they're just you know a bad person person so to say but uh that never came and what came with that was gaslighting in that last conversation making us feel like we did something wrong right and then even with the like then just left copen in in a weird situation too and I'm not going to speak for copen but what I will say is yeah he was someone who's you know at a loss watching that back so and I I think he brought up such a good point that's why I think cuz I think we spoke about that like when the show came we were like did you know about that scene with the like the Box scene everything I was like I had no idea like everything with us was pretty like cut and dry like we had our conversation we we kind of got past it um that was genuinely like especially how much time has passed between now and then it's like that's one of those things you thought you would have heard about by now uh and I just think like he said that was probably the boiling point uh and cope is just cope is who you see him as right cope is 100% that guy that was on that show and uh I think everyone everyone felt that a little bit to be fair like I I felt bad for copen when even in the beginning when Tabitha approached copen about the size of his like graduating class you know and then like in the confessionals Tabitha is like I don't like I don't care like like shut up copen like I like I've heard enough details like it li dah like I'm I'm putting in all this work I better get copens V that that was the moment that I knew like none nothing was genuine you know what I mean unfortunately and I wanted to love Tabitha like I really really did at first I saw Tabitha and I thought this is like this is cool like Tabitha is you know in the queer community and I'm an ally so I'm with that and you know it seemed like they had such an exuberant personality that you don't see that like portrayed very often but the backstabbing someone called Tabitha back stabitha in my comments and that's what I've been going for because it's that's it I said that that's killer I was like that is why did I think of that like that's everything um and if you knew how many times poopin went back to that like to the point where he was like almost te eyed talking about that conversation like that that the the camera right what they filmed didn't encapsulate the entirety of what he told them and that was a like you see us like we're like copen come on dog like you know what they're doing right now and he stuck like kudos to him he's a loyal one even like when we were in The Villa he was like yeah no like I can't I can't do that I can't go against tab B copen is loyal AF copen copen is another good guy I think I'm going to talk with him on my podcast eventually I did reach out to copen as well because I I reach out to my favorite so he was another favorite I felt like really betrayed and like thrown under the rug in terms of manipulation for me Gabe did something for me that I hated him the most I'm just going to be honest for being there less than 24 hours making the decisions he make I'm the type of person where if you do something more than once I'm going to think that there's intention behind it so eliminating Cisco ultimately eliminating you eliminating Tabitha for me it felt like very unaware white misogynistic man like it felt like it felt like that Vibe is he like did you feel more manipulated by Gabe less manipulated you know what's your guys's opinion so Gabe was that was yeah go ahead yeah I'm just gonna say G you take it away after this Gabe definitely got a tough edit that's what I will say okay yeah I think so obviously sorry obviously given like our interaction I would I just have a lot to say about that I will say this first before I say what to say next I think everyone had an edit right everyone got an edit and if you were a villain you are a villain there was there was no getting past that and in it in its entirety you were that by definition um and so there's there's little like nuances and like edits to some of those scenes that I really don't think Gabe would would like truly portrayed like in real life um and so I will definitely give him that but what I will say about Gabe is I definitely didn't feel like even me for example like I know the edit was very like oh yeah this is going to be a good guy and then he backstabbed me but I I really didn't like in my heart trust Gabe I there was just no reason to there was no there was never really a reason to he comes on to the show and he's he tells us all about this great life that he has and all this stuff first thing I'm thinking of is like well I don't really know what's like what is this for you then like cuz like I know I'm here for something and at that point we had really like talked about it that much I guess but I like I'm here for something I I didn't know why what his motives were for being here you know but he was also somebody you know wor worth making a relationship with he's new in the game he obviously was given a lot of power from the start able being able to eliminate Cisco and P sh in so it's like it's important it's important to build relationships where you can um leading up to our conversation um when that was a very long that was much longer than it looks the show that was an incredibly long I won't get into like the production side of it I'm positive I can't do that but um we definitely almost went home we definitely almost went home um because I think a lot of my pride was coming out in that moment while we were having that discussion because I was really there for something and I knew I absolutely knew it wasn't it wasn't important to the degree it was important to me for him and I didn't want to say that out loud and be the reason for whatever people like however people scrutinize the situ because I knew people were going to scrutinize it like being there real time but I didn't want to like exagerate that problem so that's why it was important to me to be like hey I'm here for a reason like you're not giving me a lot of breathing room so like this is my dad's situation like it's a game but like I I could do something with it so let me at least communicate that and maybe we can have a a better discussion you know about this and like it was not edited that way but when I when I saw the reaction to like the whole thing and just seeing him like I could see it like I knew what was going on there right and at the very last second I was just like what is the point of me saying I'm here for something if I just let myself go right now I mean it's just gonna defeat the purpose of me being here I was kind of pissed at you dude I was like you the fact that you went that get that long like I know listen bro like you know how I [ __ ] feel about that situation and about gab that situation but if you left I would have been so mad at you that was the first thing he said we told him the scenario and he was like if you would have went home he was like I would have been Furious and that's what I was thinking too and I was always thinking about my family and I was like if I would call them after I'm like eliminated I'm like yeah this they would have been like what yeah why did you do that and I know ultimately you know it still went the way it went but to be honest I don't put that off on Gabe like there were four people there four PE three of which I knew most of the time and I took it to be honest I took it more as a compliment I was like if y'all think I'm that big of a competition to be in the game yeah then right kudos to you like I said I'm a game player but I I'll I'll say this and then if you have more question you do it but I'll I'll leave my rambling here um you know I'm a game player I had a good time I think Gabe was a game player as well um doesn't mean I agree with decisions overall and like in life and the game and all that like I'm not saying I align myself with right that type of game player right but there's parts of the gameplay that I can respect and like as someone who was in a game with him it was what it was you know I really respect that I respect that your perspective is a lot more levelheaded than mine because when I was watching I was like get this guy the [ __ ] out of here I'm like I thought that he was like a bouncer like when he walked in I'm like yeah who is he is he like the the is he a DJ is he going to like bring them entertainment at Camp he's like I'm GB like I'm here for the kette and the native kids and it's like no you're not like I can tell you that with 2 million followers on Tik Tok you're not here for that you could easily afford to start a foundation for those native kids that's what I was supposed to about yeah that's like that's what I'm saying too and I like listen I've been like Gabe come Gabe has the douchiest intro and he did it about 15 times too just like like I said ENT like an entrance like an entrance to like a porno like it was about to be a threesome he's like room for one more somebody would her a sausage pizza like stuff like that so instantly I'm like [ __ ] this guy and then he comes on the the boat to camaran and he starts talking about Tik Tok and he's like I was blessed to have a Tik Tok that went viral and then me like not having a presence on Tik Tok I'm like you know what yeah [ __ ] this guy and then we have another we have then we start having a conversation and next thing you know like it's almost he's like the president giving a press conference he's very well spoken he's very intelligent and I'm like [ __ ] this guy and he's handsome but um no but that was a funny he reminds me like I will say I like Gabe I think Gabe's a good dude that's fair I think he means as well I think you know from the the conversations that we've had like yeah I think he's a good dude for sure and even with the Native American thing I'll I'll vouch from him here when Gabe first came on me and Gabe had the conversation about it I approached Gabe knowing that he was from South Dakota my sister's volunteer at the rosebud reservation out in South Dakota and that's what initially sparked the conversation about it I don't think he pulled that out of his ass by any means okay if he did I don't know but that was that but um yeah no but other than that like I wanted to hate Gabe but I couldn't he's a good dude he reminds me of every Finance bro that I've ever met in my life so that's the thing I'm like so you don't live on Wall Street in New York like you're not in finance because that's what he reminds me of too um I appreciate your guys's take I'll tell you that my comment section roasted Gabe and so did iced your own you know girl that I talked to is like I hate that guy yeah like why remind I've gotten so many DMS and that's you know that and it's nice being on like that side of it cuz everyone has been so supportive like even you Le like I app I want you to know I know we're we're being like levelheaded about it but I do appreciate your take and your Tik Tok was hilarious by the way like I definitely saw it I was like because go ahead no yeah go ahead no goad go ahead I I don't want you to forget I no I'm going to sum it up I'm just saying like we go back to it you talked about the Tik Tok like yeah yeah like let's let's read the room a bit you like Gabe's doing quite well like that situation that's the most infuriating thing about it right I know it's a game and I know that spices the game up and maybe that's me and that's the way that I was raised but if I'm sitting across from Aaron in that situation and he tells me that I'm like dude [ __ ] go ahead like absolutely like this it's it's about more than that and I think we don't get that enough on reality television I want things to be messy don't get me wrong at the same time it's about being Humane you know so yeah and that was a thing like and I you no I think that's a great point and that was the thing about that conversation like we did talk a little more about our reasons than you show they only showed mine but like got it I heard things about the Corvette I heard things about the you know the I heard I heard things about what Jus was talking about I heard both so I'm just kind of like but I was even even then I was like trying to like talked to him there I was like well you know what like there's this going on too that you care about so maybe but it was just like I'm gonna stand the bill of or I was like something's got to be worth something's got to be paper scissors this yeah it's like flip a coin like it know but it it you know it ended up being what it was like for me I look at that situation game just being like it was just unfortunately it was just unfortunate to be pitted with someone who had less to worry about like there were just less going on and that's just what it was like he can walk away from that and they will for it wouldn't matter as much as it would for me and then like I it just it showed me a lot about myself though I was like things are bigger than me because my pride was like I told Justin I was I was that close to being like screw it I don't want you to win and if I'm not going to win you're not gonna win you know but I I let that go for something that I feel like was bigger than me and I still lost but I'm still proud of the fact that you know that's what I went with was like and I still lost but I'm proud of that that's what I went with you know you know that's what drove me crazy too and then we'll move on from Gabe it's like I wouldn't call him somebody who I'm just going to say the words that I feel I wouldn't call him misogynistic I wouldn't call him harmful if he didn't act so privileged and my thing is how did he put himself in the position to even say it's me in the villa and you at camp or we're both gone like bro how do you put your yourself there and that that told me everything I needed to know about him because he is the person who will put himself at the center at the receiving end of the privilege and for me that bothers me you know what I mean like so so like you know and like not to beat a dead horse like that's just my opinion he conducted himself very entitled very privileged I think that's how he moves in his life assuming that you did think think that all you guys could win was $100,000 a Corvette is 80 so like what you're going to give 20 to your charity you know like let like he just didn't feel transparent to me they uped they opted at the uh you're right he didn't know that I'm like you didn't know that Gabe like you little [ __ ] like you're gonna like I'm gonna give this like no you've not um but that's all I'll say about him because obviously I really no but you're right in that situation it was like watching that back too like head scratching moments when he's like yeah like it's me it's my way or the highway you're like okay but what what constitutes that you know what I mean well and that's that was a big thing for me CU I was like well I was like we can just lose that was like it it doesn't have to be that simple I was like we could definitely go home I was like and there's definitely like a a a Wilder side of me and that's just like like I can like we can just go yes that's I was like let me cuzz I didn't want that to come out I was like I was like let me cuz I don't we realistically didn't know it was going to happen next we didn't know what the next thing was going to be I was like so let me not think like a like like a younger version of myself I was like let me be levelheaded and be like I can fight for my opportunity or I can end it here you know and to Justin's point because I feel like Gabe would watch this and be like come on I'm going to give him credit and say like after that conversation after the show he truly has been nothing but kind like he truly has been nothing but kind to me do I still think the things I think absolutely yes absolutely but absolutely I'm not gonna lie but he has at least portrayed very kindly and has been there like supportive yeah uh any like little Milestone I've hit between now and then just like in life he's been like super he's just been really really supportive um but what happened happened and that's not something you forget that's not something you just easily like let go of in terms of like anything that Happ the future but I will say like he has another side to him too and I want to also acknowledge that so you have to ask copen about the situation because what it the show doesn't show is [ __ ] copen was pissed all of a sudden there like I'm speaking for like I wasn't even there copen comes down to C piss and Aaron's like bro copen H at me right now I'm like bro why he's like I have no idea coping like keeps looking at me and shaking his head like won't say anything and so then all of a sudden like Co coin comes up to me he's like can't [ __ ] believe it man I'm like dude what what happened he's like [ __ ] Gabe man what the [ __ ] and then aon's like dude I thought you were mad at me like mad that I came back and copen wasn't upset once the whole time he eat rice and beans with a smile on his face he's livid absolutely livid and then I'm like bro are you good he's like I was [ __ ] he's dropping that whole conversation I want to [ __ ] kill that guy gab I'm like he was more mad than I was like that was I was open I'm like that's why you love him though yeah I'm so glad you shared that Taylor was like sh like all right Taylor enough about Shay like relax and then cop with just every thing like Linda Lise Koba but wait till you hear about Gabe Gotta Love cofen Gotta Love C he's like you think your life is bad Taylor I'm gonna [ __ ] kill Gabe so like stay tuned also that was that was the funniest cut ever with Taylor because they made that so dramatic like the the whole situation if you saw all of our faces at camp we were all like I was like I I think they caught me rolling my eyes a couple times I'm like Taylor like relax up Taylor's like Shay should have told Shay should have done that for me and then Justin's like like the eye roll like in the back of the head I'm like was every that's what I wanted to know like was everyone thinking this we cuz Alex said it too at some point he was like girl it's been 10 days like you do not well what happened we so I think we actually waited for Taylor to go last cuz we thought it was also like really dramatic like we thought we thought like broke up or like something like really wild happened cuz we we all Lindon Lise had a very emotional thing I had the thing with Gabe uh copin and uh Haley was pretty quick like that was copen being selfless um and so no one knew anything about T and Shas so we're like uh I think Linda Lis go I go copin like I just came back because I wasn't gonna stay for Haley and so we're all like all right Taylor what is this what happened she like we all were just like get ready because a lot she tells us we're like wait so what he didn't s he didn't sacrifice a spot like immediately is that that was the thing like all right which I do get I get it I'm getting hungry no I know I get it too but it's I get it I totally get it I get it too but we knew we knew that gay we knew that Shay really cared about Taylor yes so like we had so many conversations with him we were like Taylor you you don't have to worry you're like he's he's a he's he's there for you he's just still likes you too yeah she's like she's like he told me he loved me and now I'm questioning it I'm like yeah well it has been 10 days too so yeah so maybe game coming to end I'm sure he still likes you no but iay Taylor She's a sweetheart we love Taylor love Taylor she reminds me yeah she reminds me of myself when I was in college like like you know 23 years old like wanting all the attention and validation the second you don't give it to me onto the next like where's your friend I don't know I'm done um so I love that about her love that about her H yeah okay so before we play a game we know we talked about Gabe we talked about other things I know aon's for for going for the money I knew Shay was he was doing something for his sister's wedding Justin are you comfortable sharing like like what were you trying to win for if there was reason the same thing like yeah like I'm not going to get too transparent about my reason or what I was on there for but it would it definitely wasn't for self game like right obviously like you pocket a lot of the money and stuff like that but like my parents work their asses off like my grand everyone brother brothers sisters and obviously there's bills there that fall under different umbrellas right so about me I mean like I'm not going to not to sound conceited by any means but if you saw the way that I played the show like I would have been as selfless as I was with the uh with the money then you know as I would you know as I played the game so um I you know I definitely take care of my people so and that's powerful too like I like I I feel like people forget that like I can relate to that my parents are you know Mid 7 is still working fulltime it's like you want to just help the people you love like you don't want to see people suffer you want to see people just take things a little bit easier um not get stressed out and that's a good enough reason to win um when you guys think about your time at Villa versus Camp when were you most relaxed because at the Villa you're chilling but it could be taken away at any second and at Camp you kind of like get to let loose but there's no amenities a good question you you yeah we talked about this we we talked about that on the show um yeah the Villa is stressful The Villa is like for me synonymous with stress like it's nice to get there the food is awesome the beds the Kit Kats but the like at Camp I mean you just sometimes there's just like this Serenity there that is just so so nice and you really get to know people and I mean I like that's where like this Bond came from and like other Bonds on the show came from it's really hard to do that in the villa and I'm sure everyone will say that like I'd be surprised if someone like would disagree with that because Camp is it's just such an isolated experience that you'll probably never get again that way um in such a unique scenario so I mean Camp would be Camp would definitely be my favorite place to be like emotionally and socially yeah um comfortably I mean I wouldn't say it's comfortable you know right don't like the dirt that much but um in terms of like building yourself as a person definitely at Camp hands down you're at Aon you always have a a beautiful way of articulating things like you said emotionally at Camp it's great right you don't have to throw any of your your people under the bus you're you're initially like trying to get people into the Villa so if anything you're helping people for the most part um and that's where we built the strongest bonds too I think like one thing that I can cover my own basis with is when you know the whole Alex situation comes up and I have to vote Alex we both Vote Alex back down to camp and then people are like why' you do that it's like what you don't see is like the conversations about you know that I've had with Haley the conversations that I've had with uh with copen down there like some like obviously you see what you see on TV but like some really really deep conversations and like some very vulnerable moments that definitely weren't captured so I will say yeah camp for sure like you're emotionally secure like you feel validated like with the people around you but then like as corny as it sounds right even looking back on the experience you remember everything that you did in Camp right the materialistic stuff that you do like I forgot we had like a gong bath that they didn't show we had like you know obviously yeah we had so much other [ __ ] in the Villa me and Aaron like legitimately raped did the FR like they had to like what we cleaned out the ice cream like every single day it was crazy but like we had but like the best experiences the best conversations like everything like stems from you know being an outside and hence I got a tattoo yeah Outsider love that love that T I actually thought that was super cool yeah I talked to women and they're just like why do you have Outsider tattooed on you do you think like you're you go against the grain like a bit of a rebel I'm like no here's a Netflix show that I'm going to be on and they're like all right buddy good one yeah I'm surprised they don't ask you if you're if you're like trying to do something from that play like The Outsiders like it was like the like the Jets for like there was like that guy named pony boy or something I don't know if that's too oh yeah yeah yeah you just combin the outsiders with W Westside Story but big deal history that's a hybrid you might have to take that and run with it that sounds like a bad thought good could be work out yeah um okay I wanted to know if you guys have any stories that you can like is there any funny moment you just talked about Camp the gong is there any funny like favorite moment that we missed that we can get to know okay so we were about to talk about favorite moments that we didn't get to see captured on the show either one of you can start whoever wants go for it you have one in mine oh yeah what I will say is right it's it's lighthouse day all right or it's the day before lighthouse day and what they don't show is me Cisco Aaron and Shay and copen have been in Camp we emaciated right it's all of a sudden we start getting like a bit Delirious it's crazy it's absolutely nuts Shay's so messed up mentally that he like starts jumping on the logs and like screaming like a like a pterodactyl and says that he's a pterodactyl he's like so then Cisco's like Cisco's like what is going on meanwhile I'm on the uh the top the coupe and I hadn't I I just ate white rice I didn't eat any of the beans so I start like hallucinating ating I start hallucinating and then my head falls back and I just hit my head and pass out and then I wake up to these guys like shaking me Shay's like bro are you good and next thing you know like he's acting like a pterodactyl again I'm like bro what is going on so then that night they're like guys hang in there I got a psyche vow I'm like yo I'm hallucinating I feel like I can't tell what's reality what's not reality then all of a sudden Aaron gets called to go to a Miz then it's me and Shay and Cisco or me Shay I forget who it was I can't honestly it was you Shay and copin right there and copen and so then all of a sudden like we're just we're looking for anything at this point we look at the chicken feed that they have in the coupe the feed that they they feed the chicken right the actual like the [ __ ] that they feed the chicken uhhuh and it has corn in it it has corn in it like corn from off the cob so then all of a sudden we start [ __ ] putting the chicken feed in the pan like we look like cavemen like not making any noises and then all like we started roasting it over the [ __ ] fire and we're like popcorn have popcorn tonight confed corn not like chicken feed and it's because and there's just a thing of chicken feed in the cast iron skillet and then Aaron comes back and I'll let you take it away but I look at Aaron I'm like dude we're gonna have popcorn tonight this is great like we're innovating the most bizarre thing the most bizarre thing so I walk out from the interview and I'll look and they're like yo we're about to have popcorn and I was like y'all that's that's not a kernel I was like this isn't about to turn into popcorn they're like no but it's cooking it popped I was like yeah it's over a fire it [Laughter] popped it's burning God and they were just sitting there they all look so defeated Aaron is just like the messenger and he's like you guys realize that's that's corn that's not a kernel and I'm like [ __ ] ruined yeah right ruined it I was like we got to get this all right I'm not gonna lie I would have tried that I would have tried to eat it still like it doesn't matter depends on how long still tried to eat the feed yeah it wasn't good but then even after that it's lighthouse day and we're like oh it's lighthouse day like going up we didn't know it's lighthouse day it's decision day we're going somewhere it's going to be this big Expedition or whatever I I think it was this day we're like let's get a workout in so we did a whole guys workout down at camp and we were like [ __ ] squatting rocks and doing push-ups and like doing that after you haven't gotten any vitamins or nutrients for the past like almost two weeks is probably not great so then again I passed out like twice we're at the the lighthouse house they're telling me there's a possibility I'm still going back down to Camp I'm like yeah that's a possibility I'm just going to go yo Justin was Justin was done like you were done lighthouse day like we did the workout it was so dumb we had zero like I don't know how many calories a day like I don't know like significantly less than we usually do and we worked out Justin was already going through it didn't you have like didn't you you had those bites on your face too what was going biting my lips i Burns all over my hand from like grabbing like just not realizing putting my hand over the fire it's lighthouse day comes up to me she's all happy she's like oh my God how are you I'm like not good she's like what's wrong I'm like what's wrong what's right and that's what made Lighthouse so terrible because it was like tabs comes up and we're like all right at least one of us are getting in like that was like coping and we're like what what oh my God that's so defeating yeah like you see like like even with SK too right like if I was oh my God like you guys don't see like a lot of what happened between me and SK for sure so when she's crying too like oh yeah there's a reason like in like tab doesn't pick us I'm like [ __ ] like this sucks like I'm not going to be in the Villa because at this point too like I'm like thinking about not only about me and Aaron in the Villa but I wanted to be in the Villa with SK in the worst way and so when that happens it's like [ __ ] this game like I was so over it dude it was so it was aw were you and SK a separate show man so that we didn't get to see is that shady to ask like is there is there like are there any well out of respect for out of respect for SK I don't know why they like scrapped it because like she's getting all this flak from people being like why are you so upset in that moment like at the uh decision day so to say it's like yeah like we were you know we were we were continuing on quite well down at a camp so right so they only let us see Shay and Taylor and you and SK Loki had a like a thing going on as well I wish we could have seen that because yeah I know it would have been yeah it would have been great it was like it was crazy like like SK is unreal like I thought SK was like super sexy she had a wonderful personality a Southern bell definitely it was like yeah no I was enamored and and then uh it It's just tough though because they're like okay like you have your show mans and stuff like that hey by the way there's condoms in the ouse I'm like I haven't washed my balls in like nine days there's no way I'm having sex with someone yeah yeah but thanks and even like brushing their teeth they're like you guys want to kiss I'm like no I haven't scrubbed the jibs in like two weeks dude like no I I don't want to make out with anyone damn I feel like okay so that even makes even more sense so of course you want to get in the Villa like wash your body like share a hug like do anything that's not like repulsing one another that makes a lot of sense yeah you don't feel attractive at all at camp like we talk about how good it is like from the bonding perspective but like yeah I mean if you're like crushed on somebody and you want to pursue that that is not like how often do you go on a date in the real world and you want to be like your worst self going into that it's like yeah it's awful like especially can't leave the house with deodor now yeah so like how am I going to spit game to this girl like [ __ ] [ __ ] my yeah right also you managed to spit game with like a head injury and like passing out three times so that was pretty good on you you know like don't undermine that um you and Shay yeah both of you okay I want to play a game really quick about Camp so it'll just be like put a finger down like with like Five Fingers um Camp Edition so and if you if you've done it put a finger down whoever puts their fingers down the fastest I guess you lose um there's no like there's no like punishment though you just lose oh god um oh I don't know so put a finger down if you phoned a friend for a real world update when you were at Camp cuz I know that you guys got burner phones that much I know taking away yeah no no okay wow you didn't have access to phones at all yeah no I didn't know people thought that no we didn't have anything I thought you guys for sure would be able to at least send like a distress signal if it got too um overwhelming okay no wish the production production called my mom when I was like down and out that was it I couldn't give her any updates she's probably freaking out with her Boston accent all like what the [ __ ] yeah what's going on does he have access to water um put a finger down if you if you like got drunk at Camp can you drink at Camp I guess oh what Leah what do you think this was Leah do you think this is like luxury this like glamping I thought there would be like alcohol no okay to your point though you had two two scoops of white rice three times day that's all you had the blandest beans you ever had I will say this though you don't get to see this for any of us on the show but I love going out I am like all the sun comes up I'm still out I wanted I just wanted at that point we were so like we were so depleted like one shot would have hadn I was like just give me two just give us two two two drinks I'd be happy we got nothing at Camp okay so I'll I'll like get rid of some of those questions then um put a finger down if you ate more than you were supposed to of ran like like did you actually have to just have one spoonful of rice or did you could you go back to the pot it's like subjective for how many people are down there but like yeah but I don't think anyone wanted to to be honest okay you get like your pH was enough it's not that appetizing okay yeah it didn't want it that much guys you g to put any finger fingers down my questions are worse I thought Camp was like fun I have like put a finger down if you had sex like okay I think I think Camp is a lot worse than it came across that's the only thing I can imagine um that's what I'm learning and I'm learning that okay put a finger down if you got in an argument at Camp is that did anybody get in an argument I feel like I was someone got yeah we probably got in an argument at Camp I think I did I camp do you remember who it was with your argument maybe yeah I don't know maybe in the villa damn sh's like the type of friend sh's like the type of friend that you can only like take for so long before you're like dude like not like get away from me but like what are you doing like he starts screaming like a pterodactyl so I'm like dude shut up um No Maybe not maybe I didn't get an argument at Camp I know in the Villa for sure I I don't think at camp for me okay that's fair I did get not an argument but when SK had the fishing thing we we had like a little bit of a she's like was talking about how she was B Fisher and how she wanted to help but I was like yo SK like just if you want to go to the Villa just say you want to go to the Villa you know what I mean like that's that's what it was so yeah yeah was she actually a Fisher though yeah she's like a big big Fisher so we were thinking like yeah so she kind of took the back seat because she's like ah like I'm a good Fisher but like I can't take being down here but she was like playing like she's like I would do it but I don't really I'm I got just say you say you need to leave I feel that um did anybody share a story that they had cut at the at Camp oh yeah oh yeah like like everything I feel like wasn't on there we went to problems with like our upbringing to like how I have this ghost that haunts me whenever I have sex with women got about that oh my God you have like a poltergeist and it comes to get you she's defensive she she yeah she's she's not yeah she's not afraid to tell uh she's not afraid to let her feelings be known about the women that I bring home it's literally a movie with Matthew mcconahay where his ex-girlfriend's ghost like [ __ ] with every new woman he sleeps with that's you yes there you go no I saw medium it's legit I saw a medium about it she said the same thing I'm like yeah I knew that you're that's so wild that would scare the [ __ ] out of me I'm telling you that right now that's like American hor story no it's it's crazy it's absolutely crazy and like though like yeah no it's absolutely nuts and she takes it out on me because I'll wake up covered in scratches and I know what you're thinking you're like yeah no it's because you're with a a girl and like no like it didn't get that didn't get that rough by any means or like the girl wake up with scratches or like [ __ ] will fly across the room and stuff like that so now when I bring women home I have have to tell the lady who watches over me to uh like that it's okay and like this is like a good person like you don't have to make yourself know oh my God I swear to God you I thought keep that in mind ladies I literally thought you were about to say I have to tell everybody I sleep with like hey don't take it personal but I'm recording this like I need to watch this back later so I can see The Ghost and I was going to be like that's so good actually like try to tell someone no like oh no you can't watch our ghost like while we' like no I would be like okay crazy I didn't go to the medium until two people in two completely different states told me that they saw a woman like a like people who have like the six sense thing they're like I can see a woman lurking behind you I'm like yeah that's my Mom they're like no the lady that's like she's like she's dead she's not real two separate occasions that happens so then and go and I see a medium super skeptic about it tell the medium like some stuff's been happened to me like don't give her anything she like eyes back on the head she starts writing on this like piece of paper she calls me like a week later tells me like everything about it she sends me an email which is like yeah there's a lady she's super like she follows you around like she's uh looks at you almost as like a she's like a matriarchal figure in your life and she's going to like judge the decisions that you make and I had not told her anything about what what was going on necessarily but she kind of gave me the whole scoop and um yeah it's been crazy it's been nuts I've had girls leave my my house my apartment in the middle of the night because they see like this lady in the hallway staring at them this is the most shocking thing I've ever heard I'm not even and I believe you I believe you because my dad's a pastor and as a kid I did see an exorcism when I was 10 so I believe you just in terms terms of like spiritual realm um but that would I that would have me carrying Sage on me very scared um what about you house white rose pedals crazy terrifying I don't work well with that so he told us that story and I was just like I didn't need this in my life but I guess I have it now like I didn't need this um so something it wasn't it wasn't really a story but a wild thing that happened and I don't think it was in the show um but Linda so it was wild Shay comes up to me and he's like hey I think Linda already knows you and I was like this is like the first day that like we're actually at camp and I'm like really I was like I don't think we know each other he was like yeah I think it was something about like he went to like I mean she went to law school with like your sister or something and I was like really so I go up to Linda because we had hardly had spoken at this point and I was like Shay told me that you might know my sister she was like yeah so I saw you two on Tik Tok one time it was like a video that went like I guess kind of viral at the time and she was like it's so crazy me and your sister went to law school together and I had to live with her for like two weeks and I was like what she was like I lived with Amber she was like we were like like I lived on her couch for like x amount of time because she was like transitioning to like another place or something and like it was just a whole thing and so that actually plays a huge role into like me and Linda's relationship on the show cuz like even when she picked me for the box it was like it was like Hey like I know that we don't know a lot about each other but we're going to use this connection Point as being like a hope we built trust and like even at the end where like we vote like that was the whole thing so it was funny cuz like that first day interaction and like figuring that out just played a role until like our relationship both on and off the show really um so that was wild that was the most bizarre thing because I just that's not that's like a story your sister would tell you and like it's like a oh that's okay someone's living with you never would imagine you end up on a reality show with said person like that was just so random that is so cool and you know what everybody loved Linda like for different reasons but that makes sense it's like as to why you had like your tie with her um happy to see her you know win the money ultimately have you guys talked to Linda or leel like since it's wrapped oh absolutely yeah saw not too long ago I'm obsessed with them like I love them they're my two fave girls of the show um I'm just so happy that they like it ended the way it did I know a lot of people aren't they're like Linda should have taken the money like I wish she didn't split it I was happy to see it because that's like a true that's like a true friendship that's a true Alliance right there I don't think that I would have done it personally would would you guys have split the money if you came down to the end yeah I would have yeah I get the enticing thing CU like 250k is a lot but you also like I don't know if you ever watched the challenge but like sometimes they have opportunity to split like at the end and it's really hard like Justin and I we we just we I think other than that like there a day or two whenever we got split up because of Alex like we went through that whole thing together so it's almost like I wouldn't have even felt like I gotten there on my own so it it would it wouldn't have even felt right it would have felt like I would have went behind his back if I would have just kept it that's me personally like I just I feel like I didn't do it alone so I wouldn't want to keep it alone you know I'm throwing money to S too I'm taking I'm giving or I'm taking for myself I'm throwing for that to SK too because I'm not in the game if they don't sacrifice so I love that I I don't know if it's shady I don't know if it's selfish but my family's bills are just like so astounding with like medical bills my parents being the age they are um student loans I think I would have to be super selfish as a lifelong people pleaser and person who never puts myself first and that would probably be the hardest decision I would make but ultimately I would take I would take the full thing and then I think I would give like 25 Grand to whoever I was closest with cuz the rest would truly just be going to my parents anyway so I'd be like you know it's not I'm not spending it like I'm not going out and getting Botox or anything um it's going to my parents but I respect that a lot I like to hear for people who truly have that like help others cuz this was a show that was that was that's rare I've never watched a reality show that Integrity like takes you a long way it's usually always how do you [ __ ] people over and this show was unique like for that reason okay I mean exactly I think sounds like you would have done well there and you know honestly I I understand that like if if you if anyone would have kept it even Linda like I would have understood that because yeah as much time as we spent together there's still this whole other life that has nothing to do with the show that you need to keep in mind so like even Jesse for example if he would have done it and not split it like I would have been like I get it because there's just there's so many variables that were before me so I can't be like mad that you need to look out for your people like it's I get absolutely is there anybody that you guys aren't friends with post show is there any like is there anyone that you guys aren't close with um any drama any tea are you guys like very close with everyone uh yeah I don't I don't have it it like this I don't have any bad blood with anybody like I don't like there's no one I look at like I need to block their numbers I need to take them out my phone like there's no one that I feel that like much of a way about um but I'm definitely not like super duper close with like um like I wouldn't say I'm like super duper close with Gabe yeah or anything like definitely not like we would definitely we communicate right and we do that but you know definitely not like number one on the list um but uh I wouldn't say we're like bad and then tab with tab's leaving the group like Alex already talked about that with tab's leaving the group message I think taba that just needs a bit of a a break from the group and um oh the people the people that were close yeah so okay um yeah like I'm me I'm a pretty open like I unless you do something like terribly wrong which people argue that people definitely make that argument about Gabe like which is why I I put him kind of in somewhere in that category because I know like some things you just you can't just let completely pass um but I definitely don't hate the guy by any means like it it's just you know what happened happened uh in Tabitha I've definitely open arms to Tabitha too but I think it just there's some healing from everybody I think you needs to be done with that situation but I wouldn't say I have any bad blood with anybody but Justin you can he might a whole different take on that so am I good now just talking like this is that all right yeah okay I mean like call it how it is right like you said No Bad Blood like me I'm I'm not someone who gets like super like I don't know like I don't have to like uh sit here and play the Revenge game or do anything one person I would I just don't care for whatsoever whatsoever is tab like I I really just nothing about them appeals to me in real life it seems as if after the show they are the same person that they were on the show not necessarily someone that I align with in any way in terms of ideals in terms of morals I mean watching it back the gaslighting the manipulation and then for after the like for the show to even end and for it to continue and for it to be like getting hit up with a sid message of being like you know being getting like GID again and being like you know why are you doing it's like really just like keep a 100 yards away from me at all time like I don't want anything to do with you and it sucks like you know what I mean like do I want that in any way no but like in the same sense like me in my my 26 years old in my mid 20s like dealing with like you know the Perils of being a young man right now and not to say that young men and young women like anyone doesn't go through it differently but like like I can't have that negativity I can't have that like spitefulness in my life and it's just it's too negative for me I just I I'm not rocking with it whatsoever do I wish the best for tab in their future absolutely do I want anything to do with them no nothing at all that that's super valid I don't blame you for keeping your distance and that's a good um that's a good point like our energy is so like susceptible to other people like I'm someone who if I'm a round like toxic energy it's not that I mirror it but I feel it to the point where it makes me feel almost like physically unw you know and when you're around people who are spiteful um some of it can sit with you so I don't fault you in any way I respect that I think that that's unfortunately the overall consensus so I'll be you know keeping Tabitha in my prayers in terms of I'm sure that it hasn't been an Easy Life nobody really gets to that space I'm I'm a huge person that gives like probably too much grace but I don't believe people really get to be as hard as they are unless they've had a lot of hardness brought on to them so all I can do is pray that that The Hourglass flips for Tabitha and something can change and that's what I think that was beautifully said and like like you said too completely understand that on the show I think Justin and I always like I always like to check in because we're I think we process like people like that differently that like kind of wrong you or like do certain things that like very distasteful in like your experiences with them like I'm probably like you I have a tendency to just like show a lot of Grace and try to just like move on from it and try to build from where we can um and that can be that in itself can lead to its own problem so you can have too much of that right and I'm definitely guilty of that so I think it would always be good like bouncing from Jus because Justin as you can see has a little bit more of like a hey like I'm done with this like I'm calling it and I I think there's just oh you want to go go for it he think he was agreeing oh agree yeah um so I think it's good to pick from both of those because like my siblings for example whole different approach than me like if they were on this podcast and they were talking about their opinions of everything after like they are almost frustrated with how reasonable I am with some this like some of the things I went on um that's just me that's just how I am but I totally get that the only thing I do want to say and this is just to anybody that'll hear this like please don't crucify Tabitha yes like Tabitha is a person like we're on the show and that's super exciting but like no one wants to wake up every day and be like absolutely destroyed in a comment section or on a Reddit or on a tweet it's just a lot mentally even for me and Justin who I would say majority of our comments are like at at least neutral to positive um it can still be a lot so for tab the I just I say that too because the in worst case scenario people it can really just get to people's head in like the worst way so I just want to say that too um because I know everyone's opinion of tap it's yeah it's pretty out there um but just what just wanted to say that too too yeah and it's also easy to form you know an opinion on someone that you just see on a reality TV show right I'd say like you know I can form this opinion cuz I know Tabitha I mean like and let's let's talk to you right the one thing that set me over the edge too and you could check you know if it's not deleted by now but I post that Instagram of me and Aaron team AJ you know what I mean has a nice ring to it and like tabida has the audacity to comment on the Instagram and say I think you voted me to The Villa because what was it exactly I think you know what let me pull it up let me pull up pull yeah pull up through um so they comment on my Instagram and they say uh sorry I'm scrolling through the comments right now and they say um starting to think that you only voted me into the Villa so you could have Aaron Blake all to yourself which is like such a ridiculous thing to say because you think about it too it's hypocritical because Tabitha runs an organization for you know youth you know lgbtq plus youth to be open and prideful about their own sexuality and here I am on my Instagram post being ridiculed for like you know in speculation of not being straight and I want to say I wanted to be like you know I try to be respectful about it and say this is not like this isn't it tab but like what is so taboo about a man not being straight or like if I did have feelings for Aaron what is so taboo about that and why would that you know land me in a spot that was like a bad light so it was just super distasteful I didn't appreciate it whatsoever like I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that like you know I can navigate around things like that but like I that was just like a that was a really low blow and speaking to Alex about it too like he was like dude that was that was crazy so that was one thing that was just like super disgusted by and like he said I think what made that just really just taste it was like post show so it's like this is the opportunity for to really just kind of like hash through those things and like be better and it's like you just kind of double down on something that like was really just unnecessary like we were we're all poking jokes at each other like you go all the comments and people are saying like all kinds of things it's like but of course this is the angle like you went to and like it it just it's just there's things that t like like Justin said it's consistent and on and off the show and it's just I I want things to be better I really I mean with all of me I do it's just really hard when it's not I mean playing in simple it's just it's just not sometimes um thank you for saying that Justin because that's I actually that makes me feel really happy that you can acknowledge that you know because a lot of men you know really aren't comfortable enough in their sexuality to the point where sometimes um like back on EXP Fox days it even used to be like an insult you know what I mean like we're we're of the age like 20s you know where people would be negative about sexuality and it's kind of concerning um that Tabitha is running an organization to help instill confidence in um like the queer Youth and then at that same time dismisses outs exploits says something negative of like a castmates sexuality and you know I'm not even saying that that's true it's just the the comment to make and like what you would be implying with that comment is very dirty and disgusting I agree completely yeah and it's and you know understandably so you know maybe it's them trying to just poke fun and stuff like that but understand at the end of the day like your words do have a certain meaning to them they do hold a lot you know especially you know being the person that you are so you know and after like we talked about I mean not to air out conversations with Alex but Alex came to us and was talking about how he talked about it in the show he's not comfortable with like straight men or hanging out with straight men and he found it difficult to you know accept his sexuality at a young age wonderfully for him it was pretty seamless acknowledging it and coming out to his parents his parents threw him a party so that's like sweet to hear but we know that's not always the case for people and some people feel like need to remain in Silence about it so that was like the most disgusting thing thinking back to the the conversations and you know the times that we shared back down at Camp only for a comment like that a nasty comment to come up on the Instagram but everything like it you know not to shed too much negativity on it like going back to Alex like it's hilarious it's great now like Alex is I can confidently say Alex is like one of my best friends and like us going into it he hadn't really had too many uh experiences like Brewing out with straight men like I have a few gay friends but none none to the point where we ever talk too in depth about like sexuality and things of that sort so like it's been super great it's been enlightening he took us to the gay club in Miami and we were having a BL love it me and Aaron were going to the bathroom we're like bro if we ever feel bad or like insecure about ourselves in any way let's just come back to the gay club yes but it was it was great it's awesome and it's a wonderful community and yeah it's just been special it's been really special and it was special to see the romance too it was special to see how close you are and I think that that it's really unfortunate that men really are taught or conditioned I'll say through Society to not show affection to one another don't compliment one another um support each other but not too much um while as women you know we get to embrace each other and hug and kiss each other on the face if we want and you know just outpour love it was refreshing to see you guys support each other um are you guys okay if we end with a game absolutely yeah let's do it okay cool and I say game but like we got here my last game like did not go great so like let's see how this goes um so I I've made categories and then I'm going to say them and then you guys tell me like which which castmate you think fits the category and I'll try to do them superlatives yes yeah like senior superlatives there we go okay so who was the most loyal you guys can say yourselves too if you believe that that's the case yeah I'd say say right I mean I won't you know I'll say you know what I'll say I'll say copen copen was I would say copen to I think he earns that I think Justin I think we naturally want to say to each other cuz we literally were loyal to each other to the very end uh but cop's loyalty I feel like it deserves to be acknowledged because of the situation he ended up being like he was very loyal like even if to a fault like and he'll admit that himself like even if to a fault he was loyal and I gotta give him that all it took was one conversation for him to like have someone's back like consistently so say Co what about high maintenance Taylor Taylor like got Taylor we're eating watermelon in the goddamn Villa this girl goes spits out the watermelon and goes what what are these black things in the watermelon I'm like the seeds she's like we don't have seeds in our watermelon down in Miami I'm like what I was like it's a watermelon oh she's so watermelon so that was just like the the most hilarious conversations with with Taylor just to say like knowing that she's Ken olympio sister I that doesn't surprise me in any aspect I just have to say Kar is so high maintenance which I love um who's the shadiest shus in all love like in like seriously I mean in all love it's got to be Alex right love Alex love Shady Alex but Shady in like what sense yeah like funny Shady or like you feel like sh like shady like I can't trust them Shady um I was thinking funny Shady but I didn't acknowledge that there is like another conv Alex yeah they throw hella sh hilarious those okay yes that's what I met um on the other end of that what about most like conniving or plotter whatever word you want to use I mean i' say it goes to either Gabe or tab yeah tab didn't do it well gabee did it quite well yeah I think I think Gabe definitely he definitely pulled that off better because Tavi's got exposed because Tavi ends up getting eliminated anyway like it's it literally comes back to get them and at least gay made it to like the top four doing it his way L was pretty conniving though too I loved lise's game I was like Lise what is happening right now um and I kind of lived for the messiness I live for the mess like I love a good mess to watch on television absolutely it's good it makes TV good who was the biggest flirt Shay Shay well wait wait well yeah okay I'll give it to Shay who is your back up what you think wait what were you gonna say wait what were you gonna say wait who are you gonna say just say I was going to say shay or Cisco o love okay yeah no yeah for sure I mean I I feel like there's a lot of flirts on the show I could go on to the ladies too but I won't I won't do that do it do it yeah we want to know no no for sure I mean it's subjective though to the person but I say yeah at the end of the day I think it was Shay it Shay was the bigest spurt okay it was Shay yeah it was Shay who is the most talkative is that also Shay Shay or Taylor I'd say I'd say Taylor is pretty active Okay Taylor's who that's who came first for me was Taylor yeah Taylor yeah probably Taylor okay who's the funniest like who made you laugh the loudest you and Cisco are funny sis hands me and the stuff that like we would start saying down like like all the guys me and Cisco oh me and Cisco would be on the same page when it came to with humor we just reference things and he's he's so funny he's like he's like one of those type of people you can't be around for too long cuz you just laugh way too much like dude get away you're killing me right now we would go up to the stage and we try to keep a straight face and we like do not like do not show them we're like we're like doing well like we want them to know we're hurting down in Camp like make them feel bad for us and then me and him would get on stage and then all of a sudden Like Jesse May would say something stupid or something and we just [ __ ] started D like he's the kid in class that you can't sit next to oh my God CU he's gonna laugh yeah 100% Cisco I'm dying to talk to Cisco because we didn't get to see like any of him like I would honestly argue that between Justin and Cisco you two are the ones that we saw the least of like it's like I couldn't tell you what your job was I couldn't tell you anything about Cisco same thing uh maybe Haley like like Haley laid low intentionally though so I got to give her props for that um who spilled the most tea like who's the gossip Alex Alex right yeah yeah Alex when he came up like that was truly that was truly a moment like that was a real moment that we all had when he came up and told us that about Tabitha it was like but he's just good it mean I feel like he played his role so well in the show like his game was I think Alex had a great game me too your guys's jawdropping I want on a shirt like like your guys's reactions to finding out about Tabatha I literally wanted on a sweatshirt I'll say if I was watch even watching the show back Alex like even if I wasn't on the show I mean that changes it like a lot but Alex would definitely be my favorite character from the show love him he he was my favorite like initially like he he he was the first person I wanted to talk to because there was too many on liners like uh camp on pause Alex on play like just too many things yeah to not yeah um how about it was like Aaron is super sexy and he's my man crush but like I'll vote him out whatever I've gotten that sent to me so many times I got that sent to me like today was like so many people have said that to me and quoted I was like thanks Alex you gave me that's a nice moment you gave me I also loved that he really he was like I just gave Justin this Intel and nothing happened from it like like I was also just dying at his reaction to just kind of getting shut down a little bit on that the craziest thing is we went back to Camp that night they made it seem like I was pissed at them I'm like bro I get it like don't worry yo I won't get into too much detail we had we like cried in each other's arms that night it was super sentimental it was crazy so I love Alex Alex is that's my guy um amazing who who had the worst social game that's my last C category like who played who had the worst as I said social game right Tabitha yeah like that's oh no I just say I was just emphasizing I was like I can't think of another person I thought maybe Haley just because at the end I was surprised that like when they were like okay so Haley you can go here um what what alliances do you have and Haley's like literally none like I've got nobody like I didn't really make friends and it's like what the [ __ ] were you doing then like what have you been skated by right we're going to get honest Haley skated by and the fact that like Alex was like we were sitting down there like what the like how is this person still up there you know I mean like that that was a lucky game for sure I mean but I don't know [ __ ] like yeah the whole Shay thing and the copen thing I mean like kudos to them but I don't know how the [ __ ] they made it that far it's like either luck or she's like very intentional very smart at picking who she's going to be friends with one of the two yeah so is there anything that you guys want to end with before we go I feel like we've given the tea I've taken up enough of your time is there anything that you want to get out there that you want people to know that we didn't see any closing thoughts anything at all and you can feel free to say no if I covered it all I don't know if you want to end want us to end with a bang or like if there's any like like I I'll try to air it out as best as I can do you guys have any bangs to end with i mean has have we missed anything that we're like clued out of as the viewers cuz we don't know anything except for when it ended you know Le and Linda split the money I know that Tabitha's left the group chat I know I mean is anybody going to go on a show next any talk of that anything cool [Music] what can you say that's the other part no I was gonna do like a conclusive thing like there was there's a lot of stuff on off the show that happened but I will say for the vast majority of everyone like we just recently had a trip like most of us together most of us were there and um like I mean I love this cast I do I do um I'd go Name by name but that'll take too long but I genuinely love them and we have a couple of like situations that we've you know we've talked about and some we probably haven't but I would say I'm just so glad this was the group of people that I got to like go on my first show with that's I'm I am happy about that oo first show hopefully the second show will be The Bachelorette or something cool let me I'll let you know first if that happens I will let you know first what about for you yeah no i' say the same thing okay I'd say the same thing I'd say I'll say it I mean this first show I didn't think I'd form the relationships I did and I didn't think I'd think so strongly about people in both spectrums um not to say that I hate anyone by any means but just have strong feelings yeah and like Aaron's my brother like people I'm going to talk to for the rest of my life like Aaron Alex Cisco like sh like all those people and like obviously too like it's just like people say like oh this is crazy like you guys are only together for like you know two short weeks filming no like I formed like crazy deep you know relationships with these people like SK I mean I'll say it to you right now I'm still like super in love with SK like being respectful of her yeah know being respectful of her her engagement I really do like wish the best for SK like obviously I'm selfish in the fact that I wish you know sometimes things would have went differently between us but it's a distance thing and you know we're too different people but no infatuated with that girl still like you know everyone's wonderful but no yeah for sure like Aaron obviously that's my that's my brother for life so um yeah no that's where I am right now and uh it's crazy I get like super nostalgic thinking about it to the point where like kind of hurts my heart you get I know you get it it's like it definitely makes you emotional how long ago was it for you guys like when was this actually filmed like I know that Co passed like was this recent a year ago like what may 2022 yeah about a year and a half wow so you guys have had a long time to still long time remain in contact and that's a long time to still have feelings for SK too so um I love that you're wearing your heart on your sleeve hopefully you know you never know what happens in the future we can manifest that something good could no no no she's she seems like she's with a great dude and someone is going take care of yeah no shade then that's all that's all that I want so that's all that I want for her but we'll get this we'll get this man his his soulmate always GNA yeah always G to no matter where I end up I'm always going to have a small uh piece of my heart dedicated to es so you should go in love Island F boy Island The Bachelorette any of those three I would like to see you on any of the above for both of you to be honest um so I know we got to get on something together yeah get on something together and get me on T get me onest producer me me and Aaron fighting over one girl things get real nasty like you know what I actually never liked you yes I didn't like him then and I don't like him now like you now you guys can just put on was right we should have got you out of here I'd actually live for it like I think that everybody would actually um before we go I want to remind everyone follow you guys on socials um so you can find Aaron at it's Aon Blake on Instagram do you have a Tik Tok I do same name okay cool it's Aaron Blake and then for Justin it's Justin assada easy to spell I feel like your name is like a like a easy both of you very easy names to spell um and find on social so follow them give support let them know that you watched the show and that you're a fan thank you guys so much for coming on have a great rest of your day J that was wonderful you've been amazing