uh starma refuses to rule out scrapping pension at council tax having screwed them over the winter Fu actx can I just can I just say something to you I mean we have quite strong views about this government already I think the mask has not only slipped it's been left on the floor 10 million pensioners in this country will never ever forget this moment and in 10 weeks he's managed to alienate a fifth of the population Isel it's extraordinary it's extraordinary I agree with you the guy's an absolute Muppet and it actually reminds me he's going to have to be very careful where he goes in terms of official engagements over the next few weeks and months this actually reminds me and I'm going to show my age here of what happened in the year 2000 God you're old oak shock God you're old when Tony Blair was famously slow hand clapped in front of an audience of the of the women's Institute and I would say there's a grave Peril now for Mr starma at any engagement that he will well I'm I think I'm just going to strip him of his title you know just like that because he doesn't deserve it in the eyes of many voters today I think this is a huge political misstep I think the repercussions will be very profound and long term I can see what they're thinking they're thinking let's get all this bad stuff over now and everyone will have forgot gotten it in a few years time the truth is there are certain political missteps that nobody forgives and nobody forgets it sounds to me like it could be their pole tax and I say that genuinely to you it could be that moment it could be that thing that I mean I I think now when the dust is settled most people if you said Boris Johnson would remember party gate and the vision of the queen sitting at her own husband's funeral on her own whilst he and his cronies allegedly were partying inside 10 Downing Street I think sakir starm can continue to give money to his Union Chums and cozy up to Europe and lie to us but you're right 10 million pensions will say he's the guy he's the guy who made so many of us cold this winter and and that report that was out the other day when we were talking they say and this is labor party research up to 4,000 pensioners could die from the cold this winter and when you when you flip that and you see those appalling photographs of those freed prisoners right guess where they're going people you got it tax funed hotels so I'm going to clear the backlog in prison by letting a bunch of badens out and I'm going to put them in the hotels and you're going to pay like you are for migrants but I'm going to screw the pensioners how does that make any sense at all you know that 4,000 figure the thing is and here's the real danger for the labor party in this government it doesn't need even half of that number of tragic old AG pensioners to die of cold this winter do you know how many it will take for it to be an even greater political catastrophe for this government one named pensioner yeah whose family speak out and say the Prime Minister killed my mother so explain to me because you're you're I'm going to say you're close to politicians that doesn't sound right explain to me how when you've got this whopping majority and I've heard this sort of oh well it'll be all right because we'll get the bad news out you alluded to it there explain to me how somebody hasn't got in his ear and gone oi Sakia this the Optics of this are so bad you are going to spend political Capital like you didn't even know you had not interested doesn't care doesn't have the foresight 50 MPS abstain for God's sake Haring his majority in a heartbeat well I mean which of the decisions are being taken right now don't have terrible Optics I mean the scenes of the champagne and the Lamborghini outside our jails are an absolute National embarrassment and I haven't looked at papers around the world today but I truly hope that very few of them picked up on that because it brings shame on our country show these n duells pouring out of prisons and into cars that you know I think we can only imagine how that Lamborghini with its you know market price of over2 200,000 is paid for by the people showing footage they're spraying him with champagne and one of them shouted at one of the the Press I'll be back look at the state of our country look at these pictures look at the state of our country it is utterly utterly embarrassing this is really interesting gr from bushy uh will the illegal migrants housed in hotels that we're paying for take legal action with lawyers will'll pay for for having to share their hotel accommodation with released convicted prisoners who have stolen and done terrible things to us and we're also paying for their rooms I mean that's a very Salient that's how Far We've Fallen Isabelle please don't give them ideas we don't need any more action legal actions by illegal migrants I've already heard today uh that illegal migrants Asylum Seekers are being transferred from one hotel to another or one accomodation to another in separate taxes at taxpayer expense because they can't go in cars together because they might fight I kid you not I'm working on this to try to get the official line on it but look I don't think we know the half not even not even a fraction of the utter Scandal that is the illegal migrant crisis and I know we're veering off onto another no listen I completely agree with you and I think in a very short space of time what what did what did K starma say to the British population that he managed to con 10 weeks ago he said we're going after the gangs we're going to going to borders are we're going to stop this it's yeah hasn't done buger all there isn't a commander there isn't a a border Force Commander that had job hasn't been filled more and more migrants are coming every single day because the truth is is that labor ain't got a plan and I go back to it again and again I spoke to Richard the other day that the Tories had a plan nobody liked it the labor party simply won Power by criticizing a defunct government that the public could stop listening to I I swear to God I look at this and I think this is just going to get worse and worse and worse and I like what you said how embarrassed are we how embarrassed are we that our pensioners are freezing and illegal migrants that sat in fourar fourstar hotels are now being moved to to allow you know convicted prisoners cuz Hey that'll cure places in prison build more do you know what I'm so with blacki on this build more prisons and make them serve the length of sentence for their crime surely that's the answer isn't it well the other answer is that you can free up between eight and 10,000 places by ensuring that foreign Nationals who are serving long sentences here are deported to their countries of origin if they if they don't have long-term entitlement to be here if they're not British citizens then why on Earth is a British taxpayer supporting their prison place at a time when we don't have enough prison places every government says they're going to deport foreign criminals and no government in my time as a political reporter has ever managed to do this in any kind of significant Quantum I'll flick back Allison in South Wales talk it won't be forgotten you two by the time of the next election because there are four more Winters before then that's 16,000 potential oap deaths it's tragic it's disgraceful and it's an embarrassment and Jane from East killbride in Scotland hi jez love listening to your show please can you stop swearing oh my God sorry I'm not allowed to use oh go oh all right I won't all right fair enough she loves the show she doesn't let me say no God oh anyway Sharon Miller oh I really do love Isabelle Oak shot she's amazing she tells it as it is Sharon from Staffordshire and Robert says could Isabelle tell me is it safe to put my sent heating on because it's quite cold at the moment no I think you have to get a jumper because we just don't know how much our bills are going to rock it to so yeah what are we we're in the beginning of September you can't put your heating on get a hot water bottle man they're very good we're going to real we're going to real I once went there as a kid to watch a radio one road show uh Jim you're on talk Drive Isabelle's with me couple of minutes what you got pal right this government is making a big play that there are 800,000 people who are due pension credit who haven't applied and they're going to help them like hell they are because if they give 800,000 people at least £200 each it'll wipe out any savings they're making on this reduction what a stupid government and not only that pension creditors get more because they get everything paid for so more against the taxpayer what on Earth is you know to be honest with you it is an absolute f is it I mean is it can I ask you something you pension or am I being disrespectful no I'm a pensioner I'm I'm okay I don't need the pen pension credit what would be a better way what would be a better way Jim in your mind I'm sure Isabelle would want me to ask this as well how do you think this should work should it be means tested because yes I take the point there are lots of people in their older age who can afford it but there are also hundreds of thousands who can't and it's a bit like VAT on schools you're assuming that every pensioner is minted you're you're expecting us to believe that every person who says the kids to private school is minted that isn't the case Jim is it no it isn't there are several of my friends who are just over the limit and they are going to suffer unfortunately if they're really serious and saying that the people who who are on say 40% tax rate possibly can afford it and don't need it that's great so why don't they just say anyone on 40% paying 40% tax don't need it but the rest will receive it in fact they ought to use some of the money they're saving for the 40% uh the 40% taxpayers to give them more and I think that would at least solve some of the problem for them Isabelle thoughts yeah I mean it makes sense there are a lot of people I mean I remember my own um late parents receiving the winter fuel allowance and they they were by no means wealthy people but I don't think they exactly needed it I think they felt that finally they were getting something small back for everything they've been hammered for over the years um but it just shouldn't be taken away from people for whom it makes all the difference it's very easy for the commentariat and MPS who by the way can claim for subsidizing their second second homes yeah brilliant it's very easy for for those people to forget that a few hundred pounds makes a huge difference to an awful lot of ordinary people who are not you know they don't have any other income by the time they've retired those kind of figures are actually really pivotal in a way that they're not for our MPS completely agree Jim and real thank you very much D Sharon Miller the UK is in complete embarrassment and hate nowadays to tell anyone I am British our standards and our morality is gone but