What's Jewish at the Edinburgh Fringe and Bardados' Sandy Synagogue

from the latest on Caribbean cruises to kosher safaris pilgrimages to Jewish Eastern Europe and award-winning wines and international cuisine in sundrenched Tel Aviv sit back and enjoy the trip with the travel edition of the Jerusalem Post podcast hello David Shalom manishma how are you doing here we go it's opan or Hebrew class 101 with Mark and David and at this point this is where I graduated I didn't get much further I was talking to somebody the other day who shall remain absolutely nameless you mean Voldemort who took all pan class Alf five times and still can't speak a word of Hebrew it's really interesting either you've got it or you haven't but again Hebrew is a very difficult language to pick up if you start with something from the the more Latin languages I guess actually find it's more logical than English so I got to a certain point and I've got the vocab although I do struggle with the grammar a bit sometimes how's your Scottish uh better than my Hebrew I think in Scottish I can get nuance and comedy whereas in Hebrew I I never laugh I guess in Scottish you get away with English just about I think wherever I speak English people don't like me so so the joy of Edinburgh which is where we're going to be heading in a couple of minutes time I guess is is that the accent is actually usually pretty soft gentle so that we sassin we English folk actually understand what's being said in Edinburgh I think in the center if you get on the new tram system there and take the wrong turn towards leth then it's quite quite heavy can you say the tongue twister that revolves around LEF she sells seashells on the seashore because it's on the seashore the leth police dismiss us I've never even heard of that one well there you go it's something for you to practice the least police dismisses us exactly in a couple of minutes we'll explain why we're headed to Edinburgh we'll also be going off to Barbados in the Caribbean oh is that Cricket on I don't think our guest gets Cricket we are going to be going to Edinburgh in a mo to talk about the Edinburgh festival and I realize that you're probably listening to this at some point in or after March of 2024 and the Edinburgh Festival takes place in August Mark what happened well I went to Edinburgh with my son this was August last year it was our first Boys Holiday together and then obviously in October everything happened in Israel so it's waited until now for us to actually bring it to the podcast we're going to do that in a couple of minutes time the first vo is you will hear here will be Mark's guests whom he met backstage after a show but now we're going to do something that we haven't really properly done for some time and that's to give you a couple of quiz questions I'll go first question number one why is the Edinburgh Fringe called The edber Fringe and question number two Barbados or lost Barbados in Portuguese is named after a tree but which tree is it the Barbados tree oh don't spoil it the answer at the end of the [Music] Pod to talk the latest news in Israel the Jewish world and everything in between this is the jpost podcast I'm Tamar Orel Berry managing editor of jpost.com and I'm Tia Klein editor-in chief of the Jerusalem Post and I'm SAR benon night editor at the Jerusalem Post join us as we bring some of the most impactful voices to bring you into what it means to be Jewish to be Israeli today every week we bring you with us into The Newsroom in every sense stop being so dramatic this is just our coffee break you can find us every Thursday on jpost.com Apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts we'll see you there yala bye hi I'm Philip Simon I'm here at the Edinburgh Fringe doing my thing I'm Rachel creger and I too am here at the Ed Fringe uh performing my standup show ultimate Jewish mother what is your thing Phillip I've got two shows one is called shall I compare thee in a funny way which is a crowd work show I the audience come up with suggestions and we just talk about those for an hour and then there's the Jewish compilation show called Jama which you've been doing for the past 5 years how disappointed are your parents you know doctors lawyers you've ended up in comedy how did you get into comedy my parents are definitely not disappointed because within the first few minutes of this podcast they've been mentioned so they're delighted I'm one of four in the family there are two lawyers one head teacher and a comedian I think they've come to terms with it and it was an early start for me I was an actor first I went to drama school did 10 years of acting lost the will to live and started standup comedy and that's been about 12 years now so they come to terms with it pretty much and Rachel will probably tell you we've known each other since we were little children I can tell your parents are very happy for you but how did you get into comedy they're so proud of me because uh they've got a consultant already my brother's a Pediatric Cardiologist my sister's a midwife my other brother's an executive with an international company and I go to pubs and clubs and tell jokes to strangers for money so brings immense Pride to any Jewish Family but I got started in a slightly different way I performed a lot as a child and a teenager but I couldn't really see that there was a career in it for a religious Jew I didn't really know where I could go with that so I worked in Youth and Community work and social work for years and years but on the side I was doing musical theater and this and that and then eventually The Lure of the grease paint became too much I moved into working full-time in theater as a writer and director specializing in comedy I was already a big comedy nerd and a comedy fan I was doing bits of Hosting that like built up into an overwhelming urge to like do it properly myself so yeah that's what happens warn your children as a travel podcast we're here in Edinburgh we're meters away from the famous Royal Mile and around here there are hundreds of small venues where people like you are performing nightly for the month of August what does the fringe mean to you that's such a complex question because on a basic level The Fringe is a trade fair for performers and for writers of all kinds because there's theater there's dance there's all kinds of other things not just comedy but it's essentially we've talked about this a lot Philip and I it's like you're an athlete in training I mean I imagine I've never been an athlete but uh in training for a big race you do all your training and then you do your big Races by the end of that experience you're as much fit as you're going to be so when we leave The Fringe we're as funny as we can possibly be if we've had a good run and also the camaraderie of it the experience of building up to it they're kind of doing your job at your best level that you can do it multiple times a day to me that is just so exciting and it's creatively really stimulating I end up writing loads more new stuff when I'm here as well I think for me The Fringe represents three weeks away from my kids which is glorious no um it as R says it's a trade show so you have to be here to show yourself even if it's just for a week of the four weeks that it runs just to remind people you exist and find the industry that you are viable it makes you match fit by the end of it I will have done I'm going home next week I will have done 80 to 100 gigs in that time some of them my shows some of them spots on other people's shows I will be Bulletproof on stage in terms of just being able to take anything an audience might throw at me as the months go on that will diminish slightly but it's a great training ground it's networking it's a chance to build an audience develop who you are and what you do as a comic and see what else is out there what what the in is doing at the moment in terms of newer Comics new art forms you're the lucky one you've left your kids behind mine has followed me and he's busy taking pictures do you want to say hello no he's not forgiven me for putting him in the front row of the last show we were in and obviously he was picked on so he won't be talking to me for the rest of this trip so it's not all bad you take part in something called the free Fringe which sounds s fabulous but what is the free Fringe it was set up quite a long time ago by Peter Buckley Hill it's known as the pbh free Fringe or pbhs free Fringe and it was really a reaction to the fact that it costs an absolute flipping Fortune to be here rent prices here are hikes during the summer so everyone's paying like a huge amount in rent as well as their rent and mortgage wherever they live the rest of the time venues were charging a lot of money for people to perform you had to also have technicians you had to have other kinds of publicity and PR and it became such an elitist experience whereas originally The Fringe was meant to be a kind of ad hoc everyone together trying to make something happen in the back of a shop type Vibe so Peter took that concept and created the free Fringe as a kind of collective where we're in popup venues somewhat actual performance venues like my shows in a pub called Whistle Binkies which is a music venue all year round so it has a stage it has microphones it has that kind of stuff seats um but plenty of people in uh absolute popups where they've had to bring bits and pieces to make it a venue themselves and we don't sell tickets if there's a seat you can come in you can have it and then we ask people to pay a donation if they can of what they can afford or what the show's Worth to them on exit and it means that while we've taken over Edinburgh if there are people here who are on low incomes they don't then find themselves unable to actually see any of The Fringe or any of the shows that are on so it's a kind of much more humanitarian way of doing a really self-indulgent thing you've got the money in the bucket at the end is it difficult with Edinburgh being such a a fun venue to be in to actually keep that money or are you out all the time with the other performers keeping that money is not an option once you get back to England because often it's Scottish notes that nobody wants so you just go to a bank and change them there's a lifestyle here there you can either be the kind of comedian that takes it seriously like a job and you do your show you go home you work on it and you rewrite bits you watch back the video listen back to the tape or you go out clubbing late into the night I did that in the past and now I'm I'm taking it a little bit more slowly cuz I'm that much older and I'm quite happy to do my shows and go home and go to bed but it is expensive to spend money here I just bought a sandwich because I'm trying to avoid meal deals you know on thought support the local industry so I bought a sandwich from a local bakery uh £690 what sandwich was it gold it was Hamond cheese a very plain ham and cheese baguette there was no crisp and drink package with it but the shops do put their prices up the price of a deep fried marar is not the same the rest of the year I gather so you do have to be a bit careful spending that money but it really is about the vibe of The Fringe you want to experience as much of edur as you can I do see that Gregs do a vegan sausage roll for about a dollar but if you keep going that way all week then it's probably not the healthiest thing I know you're not promoting other people's show shows and by the time this goes out the The Fringe is probably finished but if you get a chance to relax what sort of shows do you go to at The Fringe I see a lot of Comedy because I try and go and support Friends shows if I can but the show that I've seen in the last well actually I saw it last year and I'm going back this year when my husband and son come up because I want them to see the show uh was Ruben Kay I perform sometimes while I'm here in a cabaret called Magic farway Cabaret which is really fun and it means I get to see a lot of variety and different kinds of Acts and I actually really do enjoy Cabaret and drag as art forms so Reuben Kay lovely Jewish boy from Australia and a phenomenal artist and his show that he has at the moment the Butch's back is really really special if I was going to recommend a show if it tours in your neighborhood go and see um it's incredible because it's very rare to see I think a drag performer who's from a country where that is often quite a dangerous thing to be who is so full of Pride about their Jewish Heritage as well and has woven it into this clever hilarious musical Extravaganza so that's a brilliant brilliant show you mentioned being a Jewish performer how easy is it to be out in Jewish in Edinburgh at the festival and does it become more difficult if someone mentions Israel it's very easy to be Jewish in Edinburgh I run a show called Jama which is a Jewish compilation show we've been at The Fringe the past five years three years in the same venue at whistle bers as well which Rachel's mentioned already and we fly on the streets by telling people it's a Jewish compilation show I flyer at the end of shows that I've done and I say you know if you like Jews come to this if you don't like Jews you can still come to this it's fine and most of the audiences we get are non-jewish they're people that are just happy to see a variety on stage and the compilation shows we've not experienced a huge amount of direct anti-Semitism I think linking it to Israel to me feels like a they've lost the battle at that point because as soon as you start hearing that someone's Jewish and then saying ah but what about Israel you're making a nationalist conversation about religion about something that's anti-semitic so it's quite easy to walk away from that really but mostly it's been incredibly welcoming the venues are fantastic the audiences have been great there was one experience where a few years ago we were doing durama in one of the venues and we came in one day and saw that on the table in the green room area where the axe kind of hang out before going on stage someone had carved a swas sticker into the tabletop and there's every chance to play Devil's Advocate there's every chance that they didn't know it was a venue for a Jewish show because at night it becomes just a club and there's no necessary sign it's definitely that's where they are so you can play Devil's Advocate but assuming it was an anti-semitic attack we reported it to the venue manager and they very kindly came and added to the carving turning into a beautiful flower so we didn't have to look at it it was it was lovely they were horrified on our behalf more so I think than I was and uh and yeah they just did this extra bit of carving to their own property and it fixed it for us the vast majority of people are lovely and our peers have our backs and that is a great thing I've had a few things when I've been flying but on the whole um you know as he said people are just excited that there's a variety of voices here Phillips mentioned where he's been for his lunch you're an orthodox du Rachel as an orthodox du coming to Edinburgh where can you get food how would you recommend Orthodox Jews who are coming to The Fringe feed themselves and accommodate themselves I'm self-catering because I'm a Jewish mother and that's what we do I'm in a flat share so I bring my own pots and pans and bits and pieces and have a little corner with all my own stuff on I haven't gone out to get a sandwich I've made a sandwich before I left the house there are a few vegan and vegetarian places that some people choose to go to so you know if that's your bag that's where you can go but the shaw here Edinburgh Hebrew Congregation they have a pop-up Diner on Tuesdays Through The Fringe where they have chicken soup and salt beef and all that kind of stuff and fffl if you're vegetarian so they cater for everybody and that's a delight and it's quite fun to go they're all deliciously eccentric people and so nice to chat to and so warm and so welcoming and also there's a kabad here in Edinburgh and they can provide kosher food for you they do like wraps for lunches they do kind of take away dinners and you can order that in advance and they'll make them few and they're also really tasty they're fantastic cooks and then on Shabbat I go for Friday night to kabad and I go Shabbat morning to the main Shaw and they feed me as well so honestly I better here than at home and I haven't had to make it or wash it up it's a win I'm going to wrap up and put you in an awkward situation and you can tell me where to go but you're supposedly comedians so can you tell a quick oneliner for the audience there's a new Disney themed witness protection scheme called Lilo and snitch I'm a proud Jewish mother and someone asked asked me what would I do if I found naughty magazines under my son's bed and I just replied I'd just be proud he was reading and if you've enjoyed listening to Philip and Rachel they have their own podcast can you give us the details of your podcast thank you very much Mark our podcast is called Jew talking to me and it's where we chat to people of Jewish Heritage from across the entertainment industry about their favorite foods Family Foods and what their jewishness was like growing up and how it impacted their career we got loads of episodes check us out at Jew talking on social media it's very chilled you won't learn anything new about being Jewish from it but you might hear some good gossip Rachel kriger and Philip Simon thank you very much for taking time out of your busy schedules to talk to us if you're coming to the Edinburgh Fringe in the future look out for Rachel and Phillip they've been here multiple times and I'm sure they'll be back next year and for years to come thank you very much thank [Music] you Edinburgh fact f there are direct non-stop flights to Edinburgh from North America from JFK Newark and Toronto there are no direct flights from Israel but One-Stop flights on wiiz British Lanza km and Air France if spending time in London it's as quick and far more pleasant to take a train up from King's cross there are buses and trams from the airport into the center of town do not hire a car for time spent in downt Town Edinburgh the big luxury hotels in the city center include balm moral the Caledonian Sheran the George and the witchery further out of the center malmon in leth and prestonfield house which is in walking distance to the Orthodox synagogue mid-price hotels include nining Hill Place apex watero apex grass market and Salsbury Hotel on the same street as the synagogue there are many self-catering accommodations and for bed and breakfast we recommend the ascat guest house there are no supervised kosher restaurants kosher meals can be ordered in advance from glasgo Marx Deli and liim's kosher restaurants and Caterers and delivery can be arranged during the Edinburgh Festival Marx Deli runs a restaurant in the synagogue new vegetarian and vegan restaurants spring up every hour the old favorites are cner David ban and Henderson [Music] now the latest news with the Jerusalem Post podcast travel Edition tourists are very slowly trickling back to Israel more than 68,000 tourists entered the country in February 2024 compared to 53,000 a couple of months earlier the monthly figure is down nearly 80% from February a year ago there has been a much stronger recovery in outgoing tourism some 344,000 Israelis traveled abroad in February only 39% down from last year despite twice issuing profit warnings LL took advantage of its near Monopoly position and increased its fourth quarter profits by 370% in 2023 to celebrate LL run a special campaign to give away 18,000 tickets to Israel Defense Force conscripts and reservists tourism Minister Heim cats has been in Nashville wooing the National Religious 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Innovations today we'll highlight new tech Trends discuss the latest Innovations and interview at least one of Israel's most promising companies so if you'd like to know what's on The Cutting Edge then this Jerusalem Post show is for you you can listen to inside Israeli Innovation on Apple Spotify Google podcasts or wherever you get your podcast [Music] Jamaica Jamaica no she went of her own accord I think I've taken the wrong term we're not supposed to be in Jamaica are we no my friend we are going to Barbados so we're still in the Caribbean we still are we're still in the world of cricket Although our next guest by his own admission doesn't understand the laws of cricket but for that matter the laws of any other sport we spoke to Neil Rond who is a tour guide at the nidha Israel synagogue in Barbados the first thing we wanted to know from him was how many Jews are there on the [Music] island I'm 2% of the Jewish population of the island it's 50 people and I have all this Authority I'm on the executive committee for bucks so um I'm happy to share my information about Barbados especially as it relates to people who were interested in visiting and learning about our history tell us a little bit about your background I raised my family in the New York area I had a job in the Recruitment and Personnel business for for lawyers my kids uh grew up and left the house unfortunately in 2016 my wife passed away I was cold and alone in uh Westchester County New York I had left my work I was writing I'm a writer I have a couple of novels and several essays out in November of 2016 I did a Google search for Caribbean islands that had a bridge club and a synagogue those were my criteria Rabbi Google suggested that I try Barbados so I came down with my two suitcases and I tried it out and it worked for me there's a synagogue District in Barbados tell us a little bit about that the origins of the Jews of Barbados I just told you that Barbados has 50 Jews but we have two organizations of course so the synagogue historic district downtown is actually part of the Barbados national trust in Barbados this is the entity that owns all the historic properties on the island the synagogue historic district is a property that has been in Jewish hands since at least the year 1654 this is the old oldest synagogue structure in the Western Hemisphere Barbados was founded in 1627 by English Aristocrats who had been deeded Land by King Charles or King James in exchange for loans to the crown they had their Irish adventured servants with them this is before the era of African slaves in Barbados in 1654 this is when Jewish history starts in Barbados it's only 27 years in three big sailing ships pull out of the Mist here in February of 1654 and they discharged 285 Spanish and Portuguese speaking Orthodox Jews these people have arrived at a British Island so those of you who know your British history Jews have been banned from living in England since the year 1290 so the arrival of the Jews in Barbados in 1654 presents two really two big historical questions one is why are there three buttloads of Jews floating around and the other is why would they call on an English colony where it's known that they're not welcome the answer to the first question is there were not just three such ships there were actually 44 such ships they were sent by the Dutch West India Company in Amsterdam they were sent to Brazil to rescue the Jews of Brazil who had settled in reife this is now the modern city of Rife Brazil back then it was called New Holland populated by Jews who were promised religious liberty and writing if they would settle there this is like Jerusalem in the Amazon on Bas it's unbelievable in the middle of the 17th century these are Spanish and Portuguese speaking Jews kicked out of Spain in 1492 by way of Amsterdam they come to Brazil they're engaged in the sugar trade they're trading precious woods and dyes they constitute the entire population of reife Brazil and then the Portuguese arrive with their Inquisition the Jews have to leave so the Dutch West India company sends all these ships to rescue the Jews of Brazil most of these people go back to amster two of the ships make their way to New Amsterdam which is now New York City and this is the beginning of the Jewish presence in colonial North America the three ships that arrived in Barbados the reason they stopped at an English colony is that the leader of the expedition was holding a letter of safe passage that had personally been signed by Oliver Cromwell this guy's name is Abraham de Mercado he was the president of one of the synagogues in Rife and the letter says I'm going to translate it into Modern English this authorizes Abraham de marado and his Jewish compatriots to practice their Jewish faith in Barbados and for Abraham to practice medicine he was a physician so this is how the Jews came to Barbados moving it Forward 350 years is there just the one synagogue on the island and can they visit it with you I'm a tour guide at the synagogue yes you can visit us it's a great destination if you're visiting Barbados takes about an hour to do the tour the original synagogue building had fallen into other hands but was restored in 1985 by the ashkanazi Jews that were here in Barbados the original spartic Community died out in the 1920s ashkanazi Jews arrived in the 30s and then their grandchildren saved the synagogue in 1985 so that's the place you would visit now it's been wonderfully restored there's a museum there and the cemeteries adjacent and there is an old mikah this is actually the oldest mikah in the Western Hemisphere that's been discovered there so there's a lot of historic basis for visiting the old synagogue historic district there is another synagogue in an area called Christ Church of all places this is actually a conservative synagogue and that's our congregation we have 50 people there's no full-time Rabbi we're mostly secular people we're very devoted we our our regular mhog is Friday night services you'd be welcome to join us on a Friday for Friday night services but we don't have a Saturday morning service we don't have a cria we don't have the manpower to do it during winter months the island of Barbados the population doubles and we have a lot of Jewish tourists who come here and our minion increases tremendously so visit us at Hanukah time where we might have a hundred people in the historic synagogue It's a Wonderful event I'm sure some of those people would be looking for kosher food is there an answer for the kosher traveler yes there is an answer but it's not a particularly positive one if you're and you're really observing strict hash all I can do is direct you to the kabad rabbi on the island there is aabad there is a kabad rabbi on the island we have and you can find him on the web very nice man he sometimes has has access to kosher food but otherwise if you're in Barbados on your own and you keep kosher you're really it's as though you're going to be in some foreign city and you're just going to be a vegetarian or however you approach it there's delicious fish and it's co fish but in terms of preparation and formal hash there's no Rabbi there's no Del that you can go to where where there's a kosher food beyond the synagogue and the kosher obviously there is a much broader Barbados life and it attracts of course many many tourists what are the top two or three things that you would recommend people do other than visiting the synagogue look at animal flower cave animal flower caves is the very Northern tip of the island and it's where you see the Caribbean and the Atlantic meet some months you can see Wales up there St Nicholas Abbey is a restored sugar Plantation that has a traditional old smallscale British railroad it talks about the history of the British colonial railroad effort in Barbados which is really interesting a third attraction is called Harrison's Cave and these are underground geological formations that you travel through on motorized Cs and it's a really fantastic both for families and for people that are just interested in geology and it talks about the history of Barbados and the geology of Barbados Barbados is not a volcanic island like most of the other Caribbean islands it's part of the South American continental shelf Neil how do listeners find out about tours of the synagogue and maybe about your books is there a website Jewish barbados.svg case Jewish barbados.svg it's my name n l r e c HT M an.com and if we type in Neil rec.org will'll end up with a kabad rabbi who writes books as well you you'll have the kabad view of my books that's exactly it Neil rman author historian tour guide and one day soon to be Cricket lover thank you for being on the Jerusalem Post podcast travel Edition thanks so much for having me and I look forward to seeing your audience in barbar thanks very [Music] much Barbados fact file s grantley Adams International is the main airport in Barbados you can fly direct from New York Miami Toronto London and many Caribbean islands public buses and mini buses run from outside the airport terminal to the South Coast Hotel strip the capital Bridgetown and partway up the West Coast given the short distances you may also want to consider attack there's not too much accommodation in Bridgetown with most hotels on the South and West coasts recommended hotels include Radison aquatia Resort coconut Court Beach hotel hotel pomarine and the crane Resort the bottom line with the weather it's near the equator so it's hot wear suntan lotion and a hat think about taking a parasol drink lots of water and look for shade among foods to try are fish cakes fresh coconut and roast roasted peanuts from Street vendors shefet is the local fast food chain and oyens on the south coast is the place to be for fish fry on a Friday evening kabad of Barbados offers Shabbat meals on Friday night and Shabbat morning the kabad website has a list of hotels close to the kabad center fully vegan or vegetarian eies include triny Double's food store the timate and renante Foods [Music] what a great podcast it was I'm going to go and look for flights from Edinburgh to Barbados we have so much that we aspire to at least you've got to go to Edinburgh which is such an amazing City it's not the first time and I would happily go back again actually I had a lovely time cuz I went with my son and I think it's the first time the two of us have gone on a boy's holiday ever since he became a man a and that was his bit for a long time ago so he got to meet your star performers he got to meet my celebrity friends Philip Simon and Rachel creger who perform at Edinburgh most years and could be found on the comedy circuit in England and can also be found at the D talking to me podcast and we should also say thanks to our friend from the Caribbean who name David can't remember no go on then Neil Neil what it's Neil rman who was lovely of course you sound surprised oh good Lord thank you all three of you for helping to make this a great podcast folks Please Subscribe or follow it's very easy to do whether you're on Spotify Apple podcasts or anywhere else for that matter and obviously you can find us on the Jerusalem Post website please tell your friends about it give us a fivar rating and of course you can always email us your comments but please only if they're nice the address is Mark davidp pod gmail.com should we do the quiz answers surely question number one why is edinburgh's Fringe Festival called The Fringe Festival no you want me to guess yeah um cuz originally it was people from Honolulu and when they greeted you they had those sort of like fringes on the grass skirts no the real answer is when it first started you and I had fringes which we don't anymore it's sad yes no the real answer is in 1947 eight theater companies turned up uninvited at the Edinburgh festival and couldn't find a venue because it was in the middle of one of the biggest festivals in the world so they found smaller venues on the fringes of Edinburgh hence Fringe correct nothing to do with being bored okay and question number two Barbados or loss Barbados in Portuguese is named after after a tree which tree Mark uh the Barbados tree yes you said that at the start well it is the Barbados tree but the Barbados tree means the bearded one or the bearded fig tree I like your quiz questions they're quite easy why because you said Barbados yeah what's Barbados named after Barbados there's no point in even talking to him when he doesn't want to listen can I make a special request go on we're going on another trip soon when when we go through Duty fre yes remind me to buy some headphones because I'm tired of picking out bits of headphone from my ears I think it's affecting my hearing in my brain I have to say every time we finish recording it we're wearing headphones he pulls his off he's got it's his own pair from about 30 years ago and he starts to get black bits growing out of his ear holes and as I get older and there are more hairs in my ear anyway you don't want to know that oh it's definitely time to say goodbye goodbye bye a