[Music] [Music] a of your old business today am I am I not normally business I'm a businessman business in the front at the very least what's the worst haircut you've ever had probably what I wear every day okay great like I'm constantly in cuz I don't think of myself as haircuts I think of myself as a animal like a sheep I need to yeah yeah I need to you need to W up I well I need I need all of my hair to be eliminated and then I guess that's a haircut but then that just grows forever so every time I get a haircut fantastic yeah I do six I'm also similar you're really just a Consciousness locked in a haircut um thank you I yeah no I do six months at least and the guys are always shocked let it get long then chop it off that's I find it makes my hair like a lion's man I comments all the time on how luxurious my locks are see for someone who's all business you've let me take us pretty far off the rails let's get back on track this is frame yeah I am a front and in back um where we rate frames I'm Michael swame I'm Abe erson yeah yeah yeah it's the movie one and it's not a pick the flick no thank you any fan yeah it's not a pick the flick we just decided we wanted we haven't talked about it and it seems like a catastrophe well it's definitely a big Omission this movies been on the list since day one we have a curated list of stuff we'd like to cover there's plenty on there city of God I know is on there love to cover that but that is not this day uh and here to help us talk about 1992's Army of Darkness is our very special guest John oh we've never heard on this leot oh Leo Leo Leo I don't think I've heard you say your name there we go when we taped the interview it is a constant um issue with people not pronouncing my name correctly in the real world and I always just like to say well you know how to pronounce ballet and then all of a sudden it makes sense Leo yeah there you go okay great welcome John thank you so much for having me it is a genuine pleasure um can I just just add into your conversation at the beginning my worst haircut um I had a red mohawk for a while um and I shaved it off after um a teenager in a Burger King made a cockrel noise at me and it devastated me so much that I I was like well this has got to go immediately wow so oh the power strangers had devastating well it's identity based you're hoping for some kind of reaction from the universe right and if that's what you get well and the other thing is I'm 6' for you know so me with a mohawk I'm kind of cutting a pretty mean silhouette and I was just like the haircut was giving me quite a lot of confidence I didn't naturally have at the time and everything was going smooth sailing until until this person who just walked past me and just went and I was like well have you that's the end of that chapter have you had the thought of trying to find them now oh going love do you like it do you like this you changed my life forever there is something something about the the idea of like people who just come into your life for a split second and yet like I'm still thinking about this person this was over 10 years ago who are they now where are maybe they're dead you know like hopefully what happen one can dream yeah or maybe the all right rooster boy where are you now that's not your name rotting um I was hoping for an answer like that for ab so thank you for that yeah I had bleached uh you know uh like buzz cut bleached Eminem The Eminem cut after Stan or whatever very embarrassing I want to say I don't feel my answer was weird because I've never not had the same haircut no it wasn't weird I I've never changed the way in which wasn't like a slam dunk answer I'm jealous of that though to have a haircut that you just go that's my that's my haircut I've never had a haircut that felt like this is the John Leo you know look what I don't think Hair Matters so for things that don't matter I just do path of least resistance it's also why I wear like three outfits I do all at once he's very hot very hot all the time I did a big transition from no beard to beard but that's it let's talk about the movie yeah good typically in this show what we do is we have our guest yeah uh talk about either this movie or their relationship uh with this movie um is this the first time you've seen it is this seems like a class millionth time you've seen it yeah exactly where do you fall in the range so not the first time I've seen it but certainly it had been a while since I'd seen it yet it's one of those films that you only need to watch it once for it to like sear into your memory which yes I'm sure we'll get into is not praise to its quality but is indicative of like what the film represents I was trying to think like the first time I would have seen it I was young like young teenager at most and it would have been I'd stuck my TV on when I was trying to sleep like 2: a.m. kind of stuff and it was just playing and it felt like I was watching like a fever dream where I didn't understand that things were happening as they were happening nothing really made sense yet it all kind of made this coherent logic um it got me thinking about when the first time I'd seen the Evil Dead original was and it was when I was 11 I went to go and stay with an aunt and uncle um away from my home and they I was like I love horror films show me the scariest horror film and they showed me Evil Dead The Exorcist and The Omen and I think that fundamentally changed a lot of the way answered yeah I mean it was like watching Evil Dead the first time was like that film gave me nightmares so much it was so inist the oh yeah the stair sex with the crucifix oh my God yeah yeah F Well it's funny because that that scene was almost like gone from my mind you know you know some artistic credibility there um but the stairs coming down the stairs I remember that I think watching that Evil Dead with the the smiling and the laughter that really turned what is scary on its head for me the idea of like disconcerting um and then like they swallow your soul well I'm that um and just the the sheer Gore and practical effects so I always had like quite an affinity to the Evil Dead um interestingly had never actually watched Evil Dead 2 um but then watched Army of Darkness so there is this huge disconnect between the first and the third films um but for my own podcast crafting chills we did an episode on Evil Dead rise and just how mad this series is that it kind of just jumps through these different genres um so yeah that I suppose that's my relationship to Evil Dead and Army of Darkness specifically fantastic I'd say that most of our audience most people who grew up in the 90s have a very similar kind of interaction with it where it's like a it's on the mantle piece at least of that or at least that small mantle that is horror comedy that then turned into more of a genre in the later years it's it's spawned a lot of stuff at least Evil Dead 2 and then obviously Army of Darkness as kind of the sequel to Evil Dead 2 and I count Evil Dead one as kind of the first uh kind of run of everything cuz that one's serious and then they were like what if we did this as a comedy basically um and that's kind of the trajectory of ry's career since he made both these films um and even though two is the link I guess in theory there's still a jump from two to three three is you're like okay this is like for kids now yeah this is or like a kid could enjoy this well I was seven when I came out and I definitely saw it before I was 10 and I've seen it a thousand times it was one of my favorite movies growing up right hence it being on the list from day one but what about you a I mean I I'm kind of similar you always tended to see some of the offbrand uh like stuff a little earlier than I did yeah like because you you had a a much cooler pop culture father um but I watched it probably when I was like 12 and probably watched a million times it even got a few times on the school pizza party day have in public really yeah it would be Army of Darkness Space Balls or um uh Holy Grail those are the three movies that basically no Shrek we'd get Shrek a lot you know it's a shame he'll swallow your soul by the way he does yeah um okay great I mean I watched this on laser disc till the laser disc glue started to degrade yeah um speaking of which I looked this up the top songs the Year this movie came out Red Hot Chili Peppers Under the Bridge and rem's man on the moon so this take your mind back I mean and either song could have been fitting for the soundtrack yeah but I definitely saw I was shown this one first because I was like old enough first right three if you're showing them in age appropriate order three would be the first one you get to see and so to me it was one of the first things with teeth that I saw yeah and felt like almost because of the skeletons especially I thought of it as like an adult skewing Muppet Show like it really I really did meet it as like a cartoon and it's interesting watching as an adult CU of The Three Stooges stuff obviously um but the horror is even less than I remembered it's a pretty broad comedy like it's not yeah it's not scary really per se the deadites mostly do karate is what I really took away this time like the fight scenes are punching fight scenes which was interesting to me rather than biting or anything kind of horror like few shots just a few shots they're fully they're full on humans that are essentially very good with swords yeah that's right I love that they don't even give a [ __ ] in this film they're like yeah yeah those guys are that's the same guy that's the same skeleton it's like that's clearly a man doing Kung Fu and then it cuts to just a guy who's shaking like the [ __ ] keeper and has a sword in his hand it's so delightful I think that's something Ry shows is but you just need moments that you remember because like the the arm connecting with the chainsaw in the pit remains one of the coolest things I've ever seen on film like the a moment that makes you go oh yeah like well you know what it's so good the second time watching this cuz I watched it just before we jumped on here and for as deranged as the film is it's so cool like it's not like accidentally cool it's obviously trying to hit those points to make it be like yeah this is badass but so many other films could do that and go like oh that's awkward or that's like cringy or whatever but it just Nails it and obviously so much is down to Bruce Campbell just being fantastic um painfully handsome too at this age my God greatest chin in cinema I had the same impulse as you did rewatching it with like kind of looking in under a lens of I have to talk on a podcast it's crazy how I find that comedy is really hard when you try to be serious if you're trying to be very cool and then you're also trying like I'm take me seriously I'm cool and then you also want to make them laugh that's Hard Dismount to kind of do I mean some people are amazing and can navig clay obviously a legend obviously um we're a bunch of clay heads here but um there's like lines where it's like that is clearly just a joke and and then there's lines that are like okay you're sweating a little bit and there's a few lines like good bad I'm the guy with the gun is that a killer line or is that too self-serious like I think a line drawn but there's some that do I think the Sally Forth joke is too Kitty like it is repellent to me Sally for now Sally for it and he turns into a pirate just for the last half of the that happens doesn't it I think everyone Cherry picks probably lines that are so like um now through 2024 eyes forcing the kiss on her after she slapped him and to give me some sugar baby seems a little aggressive where I'm like who is he Johnny Bravo like it's almost too broad or too like com comedically sexist or whatever but then there's other lines where like good bad I'm the guy with the gun where I'm like still he still got it I I think everyone different yeah the Poo po like you I find it's amazing feat that he can navigate you know like that stuff with like the insert comedy obviously is very villian like when his face gets start starts to get seared on the hot he grabs the spatula and then he shakes it like ah this is perfect uh you know you know acting you know we both love a good insert like we think that inserts are like the funniest thing and it's a criminally underused aspect of a lot of comedic films these days uh that's so Looney Tunes and then also there's moments of legitimate like oh he looks like Fabio this is ridiculous but also like kind of cool first you want to kill me now you want to kiss me blow one of my favorites but um but then there's stuff where I think stands up as triumphant because the film making is strong because Sam Remy knows what he's doing the Triumph and the cool Factor feels very real like um right you primitive screw heads see this This Is My Boomstick was still very like it uh reminds me of firefly or good Western moments where you're like ah the sheriff is in town now the adult is here Shop Smart Shop as smart you got that so good and it's because of the way it's shot too uh Ria is I think one it's has he done I mean he did Darkman but for my money he's one of the most comic book like directors it really reads like a graphic novel visually absolutely I think that you can draw a direct line to his bag of tricks in this movie and draw it to a lot of the transition stuff that you see in Spider-Man like the fast the in camera sudden momentums the snap zooms the sped up footage literally anything to make live action have the same variable speed as a cartoon he does and he doesn't give a [ __ ] if it doesn't look great or has a bump in it or makes it look tacky he's like no no no no just get inside the frame the thing I want with the speed I want and uh that is a very comic book impulse because it's all about you have to set the momentum of the reader you have to set it for them yeah the clock and he he'll POV anything you got Ash the spikes themselves the arrow the deadite at some point there's a catapulted bag of uh gunpowder that gets a POV shot you're from the bags POV sorry John you were saying uh I was say you know the the Montage scene with the the The Groovy line which probably the the moment from Army of Darkness and I'm sure there's other influences but I watch that and I can't not see Edgar right in it you know like combining the Montage and making it funny and I I tried to Google you know what was the first use of the the gear up Montage um I'm sure there's there's other ones earlier but it really felt like if you told me that was the first time it was done like specifically with the zoom and like adding that because there's the the gear up Montage in Evil Dead 2 but they static shots and just including the zoom to each shot just increases the pace and then you just see how the evolution of that changes and then to what we have with the Perfection of Edgar right now yeah yeah I think the first iteration of it was Don knots actually slapping all his who's gearing up and said H to the king Hail to the King ha to the king um The Groovy moment always reminded me of two of my favorite Comic characters Scott and Earthworm Jim which is High Praise in terms of vibe if not creators that's a good touch Stone yeah the things that were trying to be cool that I think succeeded Sonic the Hedgehog is in there for me I think a lot of it and I'm very interested in this era of film and like the anti-hero I guess during this so like basically basically Ash is Han Solo he's Rick O Connell in that he's Indiana Jones he has Indiana Jones he does belt whip he uses his belt as a whip I think there's a crucial aspect to the character story-wise that makes him more like that he's returning an artifact to its rightful place because he's a hero that isn't there for the same Quest or the same reason as everyone else in the film so he gets to make fun of society as they Quest religiously or you know for the righteous path he's like no no I just want to get home and so he gets to dismiss the affection of people stuff likeo do right and namely the love interest he's like you know he can push her away and [ __ ] on her and stuff he love that apparently and I realized like that's all just John Wayne and then I realized no actually John Wayne's just doing Humphrey Bogart and then it's literally always making Sam Spade like I think that like if you look now at Modern Marvel characters and you there is a direct line Through the Ages to Doctor Strange from Humphrey Bogart and it's just because that archetypal like Playboy was a riff and see I think that goes all way back to it's like the archetypal masculine it's just the societal ideal of masculine that men play at trying to be like it goes back before film it predates film yeah but that was always like you know or that was like a dissous like he's I have the righteous I am the Knight I am or I'm I'm King Arthur that's the basic one right right but I bet even cavemen were like you know how you have some cool traits and some bad traits imagine the coolest guy he's all cool good stuff you like I'm sure people have been doing that [ __ ] your girl yeah I guess it's l he [ __ ] he always [ __ ] your girl it won't stop but I just thought that that was interesting in that like if we really do rehash it but when they nail it that's why you remember names like Han Solo and Rick oconnell you know or Ash mcgyver Etc mver also you've got to give attention as well for just like the character design of Ash you know everything from like kind of the the slick back hair the I just I was thinking about it before like just the blue RI shirt and like brown khaki pants like also his face scars are perfectly placed yeah it's just too perfect he's just iconic despite only being in three films you know like whereas we were I was kind of talking to um a friend the other day we just did a an episode on the first Omen and talking about how Damian as a character is just like superseded the the stretch of those films there's just something about like the name Damian you just attach it to a kid with black hair and you go yeah that's that and there's something about that with Ash as well just super simple in design and it just works it just will always look great in that fit yep it's the cowboy look but it's brown and blue brown yeah brown slacks it's like chainsaw on the hand chainsaw on the hand just just like John Wayne baby what you even calling the the uh the gun a Boomstick is just like it's so St but I love it you know it's just like there is a truly an art of the cool to this movie um that cannot be you know well it's that's funny cuz you know you're saying before like Army of Darkness being like such a pivot into just comedy but I was watching some of the deleted scenes from it before and it appears that there's like a version of the film that was way more serious and I just don't understand who that film would have been for because there's like stretches where it's just normal dialogue like normal character dialogue there's no jokes Ash like one of the things that I picked up on was Ash can make jokes the deadites can make jokes but the human characters don't make Villers don't understand yeah um so when you've got a scene where it's Ash and the villagers and they're just having a conversation there's no like bravado in his voice you're like I'm kind of lost here I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this yeah it's interesting because sort of looking into the back end of this is the first time I realized Sam ry's connection to some of those old action shows like Hercules and Zena and uh that makes so much sense to me because Zena those shows which I dabbled and dipped into from time to time they will take ridiculous offers and treat them seriously just like this like almost cartoonish offers and it has a soap opera aspect and it made me realize upon viewing that there's some overlap there like I don't it's a you know daytime action adventure is a genre that I would usually put in low esteem um so it's interesting to me to see elements where I'm like yeah this is kind of a Zena esque Vibe it's all it's like a CW action adventure show at points um and it's the thing that really Rises to the surface for me is it's a much drier Universe there's almost no fake like the bleed there's not a lot of bleed bleeding compared to Evil Dead 1 and two they were originally going to call this medieval dead which I don't know if that's more self-serious or less self-serious but it went through a bunch of different script versions that I think varied in tone um it's almost I can imagine them I can imagine almost any group of writers ending up on the comedy version because if you digest the story over and over which is essentially what he's done with this franchise eventually you're going to make fun of it right or that's comedy is where you land you got to do the meta aware version absolutely I was thinking the first time I was rewatching this um I know like it's it's completely Justified that we [ __ ] on um Studio Executives for getting their hands in films and taking the artistic credibility out or making these awful decisions but I really couldn't help but empathize with the studio who had to front the bill for Army of Darkness and being like this is weird like I don't think anyone's going to like this and Sam Ry kind of going no no no like here's my spin here's how this works him and Bruce Campbell and I think one other person put up like a million dollars of their own money to keep it to actually do the re shoots for it and then it bombed at the box office you know so there must have been some CX like I [ __ ] called this I told you it wasn't going to work just the absolute faith of Dino deartis um it's like he just he just wanted to see the film these types of films being made and he didn't see it that's an amazing setup it's like a slim du for the start of your career he just made Sam ry's career I mean he happened to be really talented and Justified he kept the going but like yeah but it's crazy that he's just like oh there's this guy who essentially will go to work for us uh and you know it's pretty amazing um yeah something you're saying Mike about like how it's it shares a lot of DNA with a lot of the things you were mentioning but like I was really taken back by and we've kind of said this already just in that like Evil Dead 2 is a comedic iteration of Evil Dead one and Army of Darkness is like off The Rail it's not doing the zany Edgar Wright Vibe thing no and this is straight up a Looney Tune this is vaudeville's [ __ ] and like what's amazing is I don't know if we've ever seen that done to this extent I mean can you think of a film that is like basically just doing this these level of jokes these uh comic book like this kind of thing themed yeah yeah I it does like I don't know with some of the costumes it felt like Indiana Jones Halloween special in in M it was but you're right I think of different ways to describe the vibe and I think that's why it's a called classic cuz it is such a unique Vibe um Dusk Till Dawn borders on it sometimes um but I don't think it's trying to it's just that over the top over the top Tucker Andale versus evil is the closest I can think of but they're rare self that's like self-examining this is just like go just like play it straight almost like a melbrooks or a um uh Zucker comedy you know um those are the closest things that I can think of yeah um because it's like kind of self- parody but also it takes itself seriously yeah but then there's lines like the skeleton saying I got a bone to pick with you and he goes buckle up bone head you're going for a ride and you're like okay it's very cartoony at certain points yeah I wonder why do you guys do you have a opinion on why slapstick comedy just isn't really a thing anymore uh um I I do think it's in a different people hurting themselves is still a thing I know arrest the developments a while ago but I immediately thought of the cornballer burning your everyone's hand like that would still be slapstick in my mind I feel like there is physical comedy but it's definitely not the dominant form of Comedy which it was at a certain time it's interesting comedy has because also like for example I recently watched a clip out of curiosity of Lucille bald doing standup and woof like comedy it shows you that comedy cuz she was a genius obviously um but comedy changes to a point where what used to be jokes don't sound like anything like that's just a sentence um yeah I think comedy is the fastest moving genre because what is funny gets stale a lot faster than what is scary what is you know so I would imagine slck will come back I think it's it comes in waves with that Stu I think it I think we are in a state of we're modern babies and I feel like we we do we should think of the world in Trends but the thing I always come back to movies is that it doesn't move like it used to move where there's big waves of things that are done because they're interesting to people now we have replaced it with uh like a money-making machine which is things are done which are very popular but like I think maybe there'll be a slapstick comedy that you know movie of all time broke through but I think it will always be there I think um it's tough with like the really virtuoso stuff like The Three Stooges stuff because that is such a like chapl form yeah uh that it's like you can't do it now or anything that looks even remotely like it without having this conversation you like we're having about evil or uh Army Darkness because it's like it's immediately the thing that is what you talk about it's Vaudeville it's straight up Vaudeville so it's not its own thing it's a call back and I I don't think that will get ever era where we have slapstick return but it also never left you know um it never left completely but it there was a time when it was underscored just like there was a time when minstral shows were the main you know com and I don't know if we'll get a main form in that way it's interesting because we all we're a million niches now that all that's what I think has happened in the last decade or so we'll see if that holds I I would love it if you know because we've had two straight um Evil Dead remakes done now and if they just went we're going to the third one's just an absurd man it's like scary movie yeah like they always go real one real one comedy one for us yeah even the even the TV show which is more in tune with like the consistency of this which is the Ash versus evil dead and it was that was a good show what has the slapstick elements and he has definitely him like mugging camera Arnold sortz Ander movie but he but they still took itself seriously they still like deadites are a real threat this movie they mostly do high Jinks they mostly like the series actually upped the deadite realism a little bit but you're also mentioning the remakes that are just like take comedy out of it make deadites as scary as possible I think that there's some great craftsmanship in those movies like The People beh at the helm actually did some really good horror movies it has nothing to do with evil dead man deadites to me are demons that are like Joker demons like that's sarcastically yeah and they try to [ __ ] in your brain and like [ __ ] with your brain I actually always thought that like anytime a dead ey would do something that was like even physical I was like Ah that's that's just like normal demon [ __ ] that's like you know that's the omen you know but that's the deadites in this mostly try to beat you up in a fist fight yeah it's it it leaves it but like I'm thinking about the pit fights where it's like it's straight up uh Road Runner you know it's Power Rangers ridiculous yeah it is kind of good comparison yeah yeah because they're they're yeah they're so slow and dumb even even the way the car appears at the very first like shot of the film is like a Power Rangers explosion when like the the big robot and monster attacking each other like explosion yeah gives us our very first POV shot which almost reminds me of like a the office shot that's just seared in my mind and really effective which is your POV from a night on Horseback looking at him and then looking at the car and looking back at him and there's guys attacking the car with swords very funny shot oh that shot is s that's literally the first thing medieval do knights do is fight the fight the car to make sure it's so good what a good what an opening offer my name is Ash and I am a slave I was going to ask you guys about this how do you feel about a narration that kind of doesn't make sense to the actual story because at what point is he narrating from it's a narrative technique that's widely considered hacky which is I guess you're wondering how I ended up here essentially is what he's doing go ahead well I was just going to say I think for me it's all relative like if the movie is doesn't take itself as serious seriously then I'm not going to care about what time things are occurring in what order because we're just here to have some jokes but if it does take itself seriously if it does say like isn't thisa poignant moment which this movie Never does uh then i' be like starting to ask those questions very slightly in the moments where he turns good which are very very short and quick I guess that's true like in the moment where he's going no because Sheila's taken that's genuine there's like two genuine fleeting moments yeah and I think those are silly uh true it's a force habit thing largely yeah now we have comedies that are totally soulless or they're aware that they are disposable yeah and I don't like that either because that too nihilistic once again it's that serious vers funny thing to me is if like if you want to be seen as the cool kid at the party who has all the right things to say you can't be the clown the clown the whole point of the clown is you're you you suck your piece of [ __ ] you're at the bottom of the social pyramid yeah so that's my thought on that yeah uh I man I remember thinking that about Lord of the Rings because of my film making rules in my head is it okay that it opens with a narration I really love these movies but it really bothers me that it opens with a like previously on Lord of fings as this also does it's funny you should describe it as hacky and I understand where that's coming from I Love Exposition dumps because it feels like someone's just telling me a story and I'm like I'm a child just tell me what's going on question why is it an illegitimate Human Experience just be told a story I guess the wi film making wisdom would be because to use the medium to its maximum would be to have visual storytelling involved yeah for sure yeah I think people who think of rules as things that you have to follow because someone said them because they wisdom CU there may be wisdom in that but it's just to keep people from telling a story entirely that way or too much being relying on too much CU it can be very easy so if you do it once and you're just like let's get these it has a function a lot of people didn't see Evil Dead 2 we're hoping because we have bigger release they're going to see this and there's going to be a lot of confusion how do we get around that well let's just rip off the Band-Aid in four minutes well what's ironic is that given how distinct Evil Dead 2 is to Army of Darkness you could start the film off without that Exposition and it really make as much sense you know just be like okay a guy is falling from the sky with his car he's clearly not from this time and he's confused off we go I think that if this was made in a more modern times I think you're absolutely right they would just [ __ ] go for it uh but I think it's just how audiences perceive things they would be like whoa whoa whoa whoa what's going on before we start I need to know all the details this guy why is he like that well doesn't he have a hand where's the hand go well yet at the same time I was imagining the people who saw it because they did love Evil Dead 1 and two like some percentage of people watch this and by the time you get to Sheila asking the night about her brother's fate while the [ __ ] Crum horn plays Green sleeves in the background I feel like if I was an original Evil Dead fan I'd be like what the [ __ ] is going on what is this if you're if you're an original fan of this series you've got to go from Evil Dead one of this straight horror and it's like fantastic go okay now Evil Dead 2's out wait a minute this is the same film but funny and then you get to Evil Dead 3 you can imagine a bunch of fans being like what is this this Evil Dead one was the best and they ruined it and your childhood self was right John it doesn't make sense me meaning like one of the plot points is then he goes to a windmill to hide from the nothing that from Never Ending Story he breaks a mirror little tiny guys come out of the mirror one goes into him so he birs an evil twin he shoots it in the face I love that this movie CHS about 2 minutes in it's it's not though it's just like it shows you how silly the hero's journey is because there's all of Act 2 is he does a bunch of stuff that's related to the quest it can be literally it can be anything it doesn't matter like the start of his quest which usually there is a failure the first thing that we learn about that quote Heroes Journey that we've remade billions of times is they go off and they see how insurmountable [ __ ] can be uh because they just tooled up they got a little stronger but they're gonna need to get more strong that's just basic story stuff this movie chose to say his first day at the quest he went into the woods got scared of something ran away to a windmill and then basically failed in the quest when he gets back at the midpoint he's just like guys I'm sorry I didn't really do the words from still yeah and everyone's bummed out we I also can't think of a movie that does that I went there and [ __ ] up and everyone's just let down and that's your midpoint I think we should do that more I uh maybe Kiss Kiss Bang Bang well the mid point is when he sees the three books on the pedestal I was tracking it I mean yeah yeah yeah I would say it's his return yeah and I I think that's what makes Army of Darkness so endearing because it's The Reluctant hero's journey but really at no point does he seem like he gives a [ __ ] you know other than right at the very end when he has to but just like yeah cool let's lean into a character who really doesn't care you know he's not built relationships up with anyone he keeps taking the piss out of of everyone he he comes into contact with well and then even Sheila the quote unquote real love story he just goes back to the present and like the voiceover is literally like so I left her there so I was going to watch which version did you guys watch then with the ending as a kid I watched the studio version where he goes back to Smart saves a random woman for no reason and makes out with her yeah so for this rewatch because if you go and if you were to watch this film right now not on your own physical media but to go to Amazon or to YouTube does the smart ending it is the theatrical cut which is the as smart cut it's the 80 minute or 81 minute cut um I grew up on the director's cut cuz that was the version I had the VHS on so even though the uh come get some which is a classic line that's comes out of the final scene at smart and of course the probably top tier of all films like if you had to say there's one line probably be groovy or be Hail to the King King baby which is lose those and those is that is why that uh I think that ending is the ending considered the true ending but I think the slept too ending is the better ending I'm sorry I think that just because from joke wise this is throwaway theater and it's just like [ __ ] it from the past to the Future so people are unaware it's that he slept too long the you know the he says the words wrong again which in this ver in the theatrical release just makes a deadite follow him through the portal but in the OG director's cut it makes him sleep too long and now it's a post-apocalyptic future and I just want to mention that they tried to make that movie for a long time but because this flop they wanted to do another one where ash fights robots in the future fallout Fallout that rules yeah I'm here for it that would have been great that's what they can do for the next new Evil Dead film it's set up hopefully yeah and they'll just confuse the cannon even more I hope they never do it ever again I just don't think that you can do this iteration of it without Bruce Campell what you think of the show oh well they still had Bruce yeah yeah yeah um I didn't care you could I don't think humans are not replaceable I bet there's someone out there who matches there yeah Bruce Campbell type uh but he has to nailed or I mean action horror comedy the physical comedy the the the handsome ruggedness you know he's he's Fraser could do this oh uh I don't think he's funny enough to be honest with you really it's 2000's frasia then absolutely even in Mommy era interesting mommy is not mommy is Whimsical mommy is charming mommy is funny really I it is when he yells and then the zombie yells and he runs that's a killer joke but they also made Harrison Ford funny in Indiana Jones sometimes because writers and directors are amazing but that doesn't have yeah this has lines with bite to them well hello Mr fancy fans I got news you ain't leading but two things right now Jack and [ __ ] and Jack left town beautiful it's like they're perfect I really found that like even though it's the Bruce Campbell show and he dominates the entire film I don't feel like he says enough you know because every time he says something in voice there really isn't and I feel like that's the biggest misstep is I would just listen to him saying those lines again and again and again his quips it's funny cuz he has like 10 quips that are notable that nerds remember but he could have had more I agree with you like he's at Bender levels of throwing out quotable lines I thought Bender as well 100% yeah especially when he's getting fed grapes yeah I know that that's like a Hedonism bot but it's actually like it's just the way he looks at the world is just but how little he cares about he's like reality is disposable cuz I'm out of time is very Bender yeah Y and they even do the they do the ren sty thing where you suddenly cut to a grotesque closeup like a shot that's seared in my brain forever immediately is the old lady saying into the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of or and then biting the bread you know the shot I'm talking about yeah and it's the ADR is also makes you you all know it's a surreal shot and it's it's a surreal shot because she's bre W wine is still ending and it's just like one of those things where you're like that is a notable shot because there's a lot going on a lot weird with that shot I also noticed for the first time this time how bad the Walla is from the crowd like for like one of them says what fell Beast lurks in that pit and it's like you live in the town you've done this before uh do any oh and then at the end the same deal with the when they're like scared of the incoming Army they're like but they're skeletons and stuff like that the shout outs are dumber than I realized Iz that actually reminds me of something you said which is this is the first time because I think I it's like my first viewing where I actually just keep the subtitles on I think it's been a while since I've watched this film um because I ODed on it and have it memorized but I had I watched mostly on VHS and I bought the director um uh cut of it on DVD I think uh around then but there's this line what's the matter raised in a barn shut the door and then the Audio I never had heard the line the audio is so low he says probably raised in a barn with all those other Primitives and that's obviously the joke like he's spelling out the joke there so my head was always like that is such a good line because it makes me think but he doesn't even need to say it that the fact that she's a peasant and probably was raised in a bar but then he spells it out for us and I was like oh wow the broader than you thought yeah yeah it's broader than I thought just cuz the sound is bad well at least that my experience I don't know if Army of Darkness wants you to get that deep but I think there is something to be said about the idea of who Ash is as a character at this point and essentially a man who's lost his mind and he's in this situation so he's making jokes of the situation to be like that kind of keeps him a little bit sane you know yeah yeah especially because everything is a joke and then also in aside like he's talking above them their NPC sees so to speak yeah that's an exact that's exactly the vibe um he also I feel like it gets underplayer I noticed it more at this viewing uh ry's amazing at something the pixie's talk about which is just loud quiet Loud Like Everything feels so impactful because of Dynamics especially on the audio plane but he plays the action sequences like sometimes score will completely cut out and it'll do that Saving Private Ryan verit where you hear all the impacts Gladiator type thing and then sometimes it'll be full orchestral score with a more choreographed like and if you watch it it's basically sequence by sequence loud quiet loud quiet loud and you can't overestimate the impact of suddenly we're quiet and the human mind it wakes you up it wakes you up over and over it's very effective most basic form of entertainment it is a roller coaster it's just up down up we love the change the change there's this whole branch of film making where they go well surely it would be better if it was all up and it's not you don't feel it as much the Michael Bay right yeah brand of film making oh I found the shout out that I made the note of how terrible it is it's when the skeletons show up someone says that's a sight for sore bones and I'm like what are we doing here just placing bones with whatever that's well when I saw the Scottish skeletons who have beards and play bagpipe bones I'm like okay this goes this goes further than I thought down the carto route further than I remember well and when the the skeletons are being brought back to life a skeleton coughing that's always quite funny you know and the fact that the skeleton puppets don't have any articulation like the skeletons getting destroyed by cannonballs are just Halloween skeletons stood up with a guy going oh God just guy in Booth there's one shot towards the end of the battle where it's just Bruce Campbell right in the middle of the screen and clearly just people throwing dummies at him just to interact like there is no effort to make it look like they're moving it's the one where he breaks one of their backs all the dust flies off yeah that's a great shot it's it's cuz what are you going to do you might as well embrace it you like that's the other thing that I think framy or framy Ry can ramp up really uh well is that he can he can take a moment like that and go this is laughable and for the most part you want to hide those laughable moments from the film making and expose it in like let's say a long shot like the case we just talked about the longer that shot goes on the more the uh illusion falls apart and he that's his point though he's like I want it to fall apart it's funny to me that it's falling apart part he knows when to activate that mentality it's it's a little bit like in say Team America when they they make a joke about these are puppets you know the UL har sucked song and he just knocks the puppet off with the camera well I feel like there's a subset of sketch comedy that that became the main joke bucket and I'm thinking of if people are familiar with like Channel 101 that Dan Haron School of or Rick Morty where the vibe is it's so disposable that we're constantly intentionally making it as shitty as possible Tim and Eric you know the joke is look we intentionally made something bizarre and off-putting that's bad yeah like so in so like it became a running gag in Channel 101 uh like short films which was like an online competition in the mid 2000s um the they would have a thing where it would just clearly be a door to someone's bedroom in an apartment but there would be just a piece of paper on the door that said like executive boardroom or missile silo or something like that because they they knew that they couldn't get any location that would even fake it they didn't care and that's how we kind of resolved and that kind of sard attitude yeah yeah kind of took the World by storm because we kind of said yeah it is kind of stupid but I much rather prefer this where it's just like stupid yeah it's high effort at least what are we doing here I think there's room in the world for both like absolutely I think Justin royland epitomized it with his he's like I don't even try with the dialogue I just Mumble through it and I got to admit it's funny I think it's a funny bit yeah it definitely is um yeah for sure he's funny too funny guy interesting guy I'm sure you've heard candled a lot interesting stuff done interesting stuff that guy um I will say um again having watched this film twice in the last week I love the first hour the first hour I'm just I could I could watch that every every so often I'm enjoying back yeah the last 30 minutes of the battle scene there are much less jokes you're in one you're in a location for the most amount of time I think prior to that it's the windmill scene and there So Much Madness going on in that that it's you kind of forget about it um it to me a little bit of a slog towards the end um but I don't know yeah know which interesting the director's cut is like 10 more minutes of that where it's like they spend money on it and it they wanted it to be an epic showpiece and that's the thing is through Modern Eyes it's impossible to see that because you've seen Helms Deep this is like playing with a diarama in comparison and they also G it's also weird because like we talked about this film being Looney Tunes like they give a lot of space most of that 10 minutes yes there's a lot more fighting but most of it is like you know I the Kings or whatever like we got to fortify this area and like they're all being very like good at their job and then at the same time you have Ash doing it you have evil Ash doing it I had a question for you guys uh I'm not the only one who sees the perfect impression of Ricky dvas in this film right like that's Ricky D to me do you guys know who I'm talking about in this movie Evil red Eric the Red oh kind of yeah or Henry the red Henry the red you don't see it oh my God it's as clear as day even his teeth even his teeth all I'm saying is next time you watch our do you mean his mannerisms or just his physical his physical properties got the the human looks like that I see that I see I thought you more SW I'd take a recup where Henry the red is David Bren I mean that's that's that's a film that's that's something there's something there viral quality to that yeah I love it I don't know I just had to say that because I feel like I'm going crazy no one's ever said it online you searched yeah one thing as well that's just crazy to me is the just before the the pit [ __ ] fight um you have the the guy who gets pushed down into the into the pit and the huge fountain of blood that comes out love that and that's it for blood like there is no more blood the red light the red light gag the blood is so bright it lights up Ash's face is just a great attention to detail thing but yeah that's it for blood in this series was like well series the first two films really built on was just like this is Gore to like the nth degree and it's like oh wow here it is you know one of the first few shots of the film there's all that blood and then it's like yep and that's that smashing skeletons to dust yeah yeah Nerf it's not even like any ooze or anything you know right I mean I guess the closest we get is like the face of as's face is [ __ ] up which is kind of gross no more than like Goonies you know like so it's not really in the same category it's cuz they were trying to do like a more four quadrant thing well you know it's that's fine although as a screenplay snob I mean childhood skews everything but it's kind of hard for me to imagine like Abe and I write screenplays together and I can't imagine sitting down or more so Sam Ry who I rever sitting down and writing in a screenplay I may be bad but I feel good who rules you my lord like I some of the dialogue is is so dumb so dumb to me that I'm actually surprised at how dumb it is is isn't that just like failed attempts at stuff that buckle up bone head we going for a ride it's like man that's dumb or when she bounces off a trampoline one of the deadites bounces off a trampoline I love that [ __ ] well I mean the best I think the best joke in the entire thing is when evil Ash's skeleton skull opens up and they play a train whistle before he's launched into space but there's it's perfect it's perfect he goes ah uh the there's a joke in here that drives me nuts which it's so funny but it's also like it really strains credulity like what happened it's the scene is he just has disembodied evil Ash's corpse the first time after the brownie sequence dism him yeah the W windmill uh and he has him in a bag and he points at him and he just goes that'll teach you and it's such a funny joke to me because of obvious reasons but also I'm like I think sometimes it's that stuff that you're talking about where you're like that that is such a like are they trying to be cool like what what's the function of that line and like thinking about him WR Sam Ry writing it down I'm like man that's so sweaty but also it's because he was going for a good joke uh and I think that's true about the other ones they you got something on your face and then the dirt comes in is a good yeah yeah you got something I like the the low-key joke that stood out to me this time that I didn't get as a kid because it's sort of just a mundane joke but I like is when he's suffered because of the two fake books and there's only one book left and he goes seems fairly obvious like proud of himself for figuring it out seems very Oh I thought you were going to go with the why I forget what it is specifically but the second oh I'll get to you later that's yeah it's a great Bugs Bunny Style performance for sure but I like the seems fairly obvious I think that's that's one of the things that works so well with um Ash as a character as well is you you have these moments of just unabashed coolness but they're interspersed with him being treated like you say like a cartoon character like he's never always on top but it's also not he has to be on bottom for such a long time and then he gets his moment in the sun there is consistently no awareness of Pride before a fall and I love that about the character because one moment he's the best like he's undefeatable and the next he's got a fork on his ass you know it's just poked in the eyes there's an armor there or there's like a defanging of the actual events not by he can take a l but because of how little he cares about his own body see time and time again he just lops off his hand and he laughs while he does it in this one he drinks boiling water to like kill the little brown yeah and it's stuff like that where it's like when you when you he doesn't care about his body he's willing to do anything to survive we kind of just Al are allowed to laugh so to speak at the fact that like if he is hurt it'll be fine it's Itchy and Scratchy it's Looney Tunes if the damage were taken seriously exactly the line in that moment as well is when he's just about to pour the kettle into into his mouth he's like hey little guy how about some hot chocolate I always thought that was interesting because like hot chocolate to me that's not like an americanism like you guys say Coco you know so it's like is the idea that this is hot chocolate on the stove you know or is that the only line that made that joke work that is wild the more I think about it because it's just not a phrase that we I mean it's a beverage I've said the phrase I'll take like a hot chocolate but I what you're talking about I say hot chocolate all the time that's what I call it hot chocolate well you're Mr International Day say okay yeah I mean I I I'll say Coco too but like I don't know it's just a weird thing to say I guess it's just probably because he didn't want to say take some hot water clearly well the fact that I just see while I scroll through the trivia that explains a lot of this is the script was 43 Pages that's fascinating to me that's fascinating so they didn't work they didn't write down all the bits they were just like maybe they wrote down the bit and then they just figured it out as it like shaped it I don't know yeah like he fights he fights a skeleton is much different than you know the skeleton's fists all coming out of the edges of framing I only have one more joke that needs a shout out for childhood closure reasons which is are all men from the future loudmouth braggards nope just me baby just such a good line that's a killer line to be honest yeah the delivery is just fantastic I I also the arrogance you're not the only loudmouth bragger on Earth absolutely you're really misrepresenting that did Bruce Campbell actually go on to do anything else though and I don't mean that in like a no that's more trivia this is the first and last Studio film Bruce Campbell starred in why I don't know he's great he got TV he's been on TV yeah semi-regularly but and i' I see him at conventions and [ __ ] he's a really cool dude wow you should get a comeback a Renaissance I mean he's he's always been kind of around he also like Bubba ho yeah Bubba was good and let's know I mean here's the problem is that all of his [ __ ] just kept getting cancelled because like they almost found a tone like this in a television series right Adventures of bris jboy it was like a year after this uh but he'll I think he'll just be the ash he's just ash true that was the show where it's like that could have launched his career but it didn't and he's out they just yeah he's just one thing after another it is a guy he was in Sam ry's Hercules the Legendary Journey he's in every Sam Ry project right because they were just as a tiny little bit because they they were we talked about this before just because we uh we do the con Brothers show but like him Sam Ry and the con Brothers poing around at NYU like thinking of jokes and movies and stuff like that it's just a wild picture that the Universe has to offer MH like and you can kind of see it in all their work like they're all have the same kind of joke brain and they're just done interested in slightly different things you know you have like the ultimate cartoonist and Sam Ry and like the you know kind of [ __ ] gotex a yeah uh but they all kind of you can tell that they all understand how editing is so pivotal uh and how it's used for comedy for sure um I love that [ __ ] man the fact that the villains come up and is that he flies into the sky and explodes like Team Rocket from Pokemon uh again it's just broader than I remembered I remembered the cool Factor being more present and it's definitely comedy forward like its first spush is haha yeah there's Simpson's tier moment um with an explosion just as the battle's beginning and The Archers fire off their um their their like explosive bows yeah and it's just the perfect timing of this bow just lands in a shield and it's just like half a beat and just this ridiculous explosion that makes no sense given what happen that's almost money python you know there's some python here for sure th those jokes from the of just things just exploding from the least amount of contact or things setting on fire are truly and I mean this with no hyperbole will never not be funny to me it's just the perfect joke it's just so stupid like d milk on cereal fire or chief Wigan rolling into a tree and just explodes love it that's that's the only thing you need to do yeah uh well else maybe that will supply slapstick there will be a whole movement of things explode easily just exploding comedy the film where everything explodes a vampire and Bridget Fonda in this movie which I always find insane that she's just in this for she's the girlfriend Ash at the beginning yeah uh I also the only other note that I really had is that the cinematographer of this movie shot the Matrix nice does that mean they had a had a hand in inventing bullet time presumably oh yes Bill Pope is often credited as the man who brought us bullet time Pilgrim um yeah Bill Pope is like crazy crazy well known as one of the most Innovative cinematographers in the land and he started his career with Ry on Darkman nice so it's crazy like how his his career has gone nuts um and he's also worked with a lot of like different techniques like obviously you got like stop motion here mixing with liveaction uh he worked on Team America World Police so a lot of puppetry he did all the Spider-Man's the early versions and yeah he's just uh very cool very cool you could say he blew up after being impacted by a small thing yes well I think you you touched on it before you know like this isn't a film where the script was this ludicrous thing and they kind of just hobbled together the actual production like the way it's shot whilst it's I wouldn't say there's many shots where I'm like oh wow that's an amazing choice to do that it's still done really well like Sam ry's signature um closeup with a with a wideangle lens it's it's there throughout and I think sometimes you take pump Zoom he'll do a pump zoom while he dutches I was like that is a cool shot man this is it like there's care and attention put into the into the filming which almost BLS BLS how nonsense it is um and yeah I just think it's again because there's so much other stuff going on you don't necessarily give that the credit for itself but it's like the way it shot is really good it really matters to keeping you engaged with it it's it's yeah for a function you know it's like that's the best stuff that's why the high effort uh fil making only improves the comedy in my uh in my opinion now you can't obsess about small details that don't matter to the comedy like that light looks really good or some [ __ ] like that it's just like it's mostly editing it's mostly shooting for the edit and knowing what a funny frame looks like and that's just taste that's just Ry and the team around him right you want some you you want a piece just cut it goes on for so long well my point is you got to you got to Long frame that dude to make that work and it and you know he always shoots it correctly yeah he always shoots based on the logic of status or what's going on exactly it's simple and he shoots it with tons of flare you always know Sam ry's style yeah he's highly stylistic he's one of the he's the most of the people I mean him and he's very Edgar right esque but I yeah I don't know circle of influence between Peter Edgar Wright and Sam Ry where you feel like they were working in the same space slightly different times uh but as they all have kind of made films they all kind of influenced each other yeah it's pretty they all sleep together in a big pile it's pretty cool it's a p i want to be in it's funny though thinking about the critical reaction to Drag Me to Hell when that first came out maybe not so much sorry not maybe the critical reaction but the audience reaction of people really not vibing with the comedy aspect And yet when you watch Army of Darkness to go to that it's like it's the most sensible transition in the world very comfortable horror and comedy in that like slapstick comedy is just so it's so Niche that it's amazing but amazing for such a select group of people I think you're right about that yeah anyway you can watch kill me now our horror movie and it's entir that yeah for small budget it is a horror comedy semi slapstick I mean it's not really yeah it is slap it's more dialogue driven than slapstick but the killer were running around and being shitty there's a lot of that um yeah there's the beer can to the head that's slapstick but yeah we didn't have enough of a budget to really blow it out as much nothing cuz we really wanted him to uh he gets peed on at one point we just wanted these kids to magically thwart the real killer we did compare him to Wy coyote a lot with the actor that he Incorporated some of that and yeah which is great uh but then also we had like no money so it was the kind of situation where we like all right what's the best joke we can do one you know uh and that's unfortunate but you know that's how it works I'm sure there were jokes that fell on the uh fell on the floor edit room floor in this you know it's always that Ry shows you the true path which is always go for skeleton fingers poking your hero in the eyes that's that's the am or nose or nose or hook his nose for you guys being in the process that you are with making your own film like right I I just feel like whenever you guys watch a film there's got to be things where you're consciously or subconsciously taking notes from it and even something like this where you go here's how it succeeds with you know limited resources or you know whatever restrictions like is there anything from Army of Darkness you take and then go oh we can apply this to papa bear man I mean I took a sword out and [ __ ] up a car it was satisfying it was satisfying yeah I I there's such different DNA I mean yeah not really there's it's it's a stylistic genre like blend that is constantly doing Looney Tunes and they're having to accomplish period which we get around by not doing that right yeah there things that make that expensive I don't mean so much Army of Darkness like what are the comparisons but just watching it and then thinking about the film making aspect and then because you're in this zone of film making if there's something where you go I'm I'm feel I'm motivated watching old school sam Ry and now I'm doing my thing I mean sometimes the the thing with that is I always think that film making it's like one problem at a time right so the concept of Ry cam which is just a if people don't know camera tied down to a plywood board so two D it's how they do the nothing from Never Ending Story yeah and it's a genius idea because it's costs a plywood board and some rope and that it was born out of necessity it was born out of we have to find a cool way to show a demon traversing space so you think of every problem as like what's my thing well you can make a che movie cheap if you choose I don't know to shoot it all in one location or scratch that only have one character you know there's ways in which you can really stretch it and then if you make that go to work for you one problem at a time that's how you solve it it's that spirit that Remy has that every sheep filmmaker you know Robert Rodriguez as well they all have wisdom but when it comes down to it you have to get your shot and make it cheap and so that's sometimes an insurmountable task H cool you got an answer you got an answer Mich no I don't it's too different than our movie I'm so the boring answer is I see no connection between them and I don't think anything when I watch I don't think anything about papa bear when I watch Army of Darkness I think Army of dark cheap REM made no nothing a nothing I mean that this is where it starts this is where Papa Bear breaks up uh is this podcast well I do think Papa Bear should probably chop his hand off now but I don't think that comes from this I think that I came up with that idea independently yeah yeah yeah yeah it's your idea it's no one else's at some point papa bear has to say a single word line that will be synonymous with the brand here on out you know he's going to step on a nail and say My Fair Lady Heil to the bear my son my son all right let's let's call it there hail to the bear this is uh this has been fantastic conversation is there anything you wish to plug tell tell them a little more about the podcast you referenced give us fabulous so I I have a podcast network of three podcast uh called I'm glad you exist Michael was very gracious to be a guest on a recent episode um and we talk a lot about how small beans as a platform directly influenc me to even get into podcasting um so I wanted to leave this right to the end but when I started I'm glad you exist My ultimate goal was to be on small beans and I never thought it would happen this quick that's amazing yeah it happened fast did it well I'm glad you exist is not a big podcast and I've no quals about presenting it as such it's it's a labor of love it's something I I really enjoy doing it allows me to connect with friends about their unique stories and also I've been able to connect with a bunch of different people all over the world and you didn't ask I asked you you did yeah for the record that makes it extra I got I got to read your fantastic book straight away which was unbelievably exciting um you Talented Mr rip lead us motherucker so um so the podcast is called I'm glad you exist um that's the name of the flagship show as well which is an interview format um I also do a horror movie podcast called crafting chills with a cohor a CO cohor a co-host uh it's amazing yeah the horse doesn't say much quite distracting he's a naysayer you know oh boom uh so that's those are the main two I also have um a podcast I do with my old manager called Breakwater sausage which is all right calm down which is a podcast where we review full English breakfasts um but that is sporadic at best I love a podcast where you hear the premise and you go sure whatever like you can do that um the one where they watch wild hogs to every episode and discuss it do whatever you want more 850 time in their lives or whatever so that's that's the podcast but like I say it's one of those where I think I've done three episodes this year you know so don't subscribe to it thinking it's going to be weekly I'd love to but I I do it as and when um but I did want to give one person a shout out if that's okay oh yeah yeah um your mom Michael oh because hi Mom she she added me on Facebook after the episode you did on the show came out and she she messages me every now and again she's just the most lovely woman ever um so congrats to her 19th anniversary she's a good egg she was great yeah big big love for her moms are pretty great shout out to moms here think we're going to do another tast from the pit with her soon so you'll be hearing her voice on the network soon fabulous can't wait I do enjoy a tailes from the pit I do feel like you probably need to be in a certain degree of sadness there so I also hope that there's not too many tails in the pits if you're in a good place depends it depends on the angle Abe and I are doing one we my partner and I have decided to start trying for kids so we're doing one about you know you don't have to be sad for that you can just be anxious that's still worth unpacking oh yeah I think that's a glorious time for someone who wants to have it's a different kind of pit it's a spike pit gotcha gotta but yeah he's having me on because I'm like I hate kids no that's not my that wasn't explicitly why but yeah no I mean I have we have very different opinions about child raring uh and and we'll get into that in the next tales and the purpose their purpose in human in our in our in life and for the human species probably talk about Legacy a lot we don't know what we're talking about yet I hear you though because I'm I'm getting married in a couple of weeks time and me and my thank you very much me and my partner are thinking we want to have kids next year um but there's absolutely this moral question of like is is the Earth overpopulated can we actually provide them a good life like I never thought I'd have to think about that so I think it sounds like an interesting episode well we'll see we'll see great bunch of breeders over here well thanks for being on John this an absolute blast to talk about one of the one of the goats of Cinema uh with such a chill dude so much appr the movie anything I want to talk about in the small beans World on the 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