looks like there's a good chance they'll be climbing their third wooden spoon in a row this year as you can see you see in that game last night there was you know they're just making those individual errors that you know that just that get get you in the NRL you know you do that in reserve grade you might get away with it but in first grade you just don't get away with it so um you know there's some good young kids coming through and and you know they need experience but sometime you still need those senior guys around them to to hold them together um bringing l in next year obviously um he brings in a great deal of experience