Heart to Hearts With Nate Frazier. Free Carlos king.

welcome everyone heart tohe heart with Nate Fraser here on this Sunday evening we are excited today because we have two guests we have Aisha King the brother of Carlos King we have his best friend Renee they they grew up together three houses down from each other since they were what 11 12 years old 11 years old I'm not his brother Mr Frasier you introduced me as his brother I'm the sister I'm so the sister y'all know Nate Fraser y'all know how it is I don't know what's going on but this is his sister iisha all right friend best friend Renee so we're excited listen I've been following this case I end up getting uh in contact with Carlos King he told me a lot that was going on with him uh what happened when he was 18 years old and his uh partner at the time was 17 years old so he is going to be calling from the um correctional facility and we'll be hearing from him him soon but I'm just so happy that his sister and his best friend came up here this is one of those cases overcharged and overc convicted and that is regular uh in our court system and has been going on in our court system for years so this is nothing new a couple of weeks ago I did an interview with the president of uh the overcharging overc convicted uh nonprofit organization her name is Michelle Perkins she's out of Pontiac and I wish you could have been here today but I have uh you here today and so I want to hear from you the sister uh Aisha and I'm pretty sure this has been heartening to y'all because just a little bit talking to Carlos he was telling me that he said look uh it was a robbery I got convicted of the robbery of only it was supposed to do up to 8 to 10 years so he end up getting life on a conviction that he was found not guilty can you explain a little bit how that happened Aisha unfortunately Carlos you know he you know that wasn't his first time in the court system okay and because that wasn't his first time first time in the court system of course you know I just felt like the judge wanted to just prove a point okay but I get proving a point and teaching a young man a lesson like you don't teach a young man a lesson after 33 years l has been learned like he was overcharged that makes no sense the only thing and his case is wide open the only thing that my brother was charged with was armed robbery you can look at any law in Michigan and he should have been home but I really think that the judge took a personal Vendetta on my brother and gave him that much time and that doesn't make any sense that don't mean just because he's a judge made it right and so no one went back to look at this case why has nobody went back to look at this case correct it makes no sense and then every time he filled out the paperwork to go up for parole Frank Murphy Hall he didn't fill this paperwork out he didn't fill this paperwork out we get his attorney and Mary Owens she say well all the paperwork you guys asked for have been filled out it's just been sitting on the desk at Frank Murphy for what reason how many years now that's just paperwork been sitting there 16 and A2 16 and 1/2 years and absolutely nothing has been done in 16 years no and the sad part about it is a lot of the programs that they told him to take some of the prisons didn't even offer those programs so you can just imagine how many calls I had to make to the prisons to the warden and he had to be switched here and switched there because I you have to do this like if you don't have family and they not and they not trying to you know they not helping and it's hard you know I've been doing this since I was 16 so I didn't always have this thick skin it was cuz of Carlos that I had to grow this thick skin because right need that support I don't play about my brother I do not play it's been a long journey and my grandmother is 98 and I'm telling you she knows her grandson is still locked up and that's the saddest thing for me wow the person I I I really want to want to want to talk about though that I know is hurting the most mhm the one is hurting the most is his son how old is his son I want to say Gregory I love you Gregory his son is Gregory Bryant and Gregory is 32 years old 32 years old his dad missed his whole life because of our Injustice system 32 years there's no reason he shouldn't have been able to raise his son because he committed a crime correct he didn't kill anybody right found not guilty not guilty not guilty so that's what I understand and you have a a article that uh just came out today yes you just came out today month ago no a month okay I'm sorry a month this is July yeah that was a month ago hello okay all right but came out uh Sunday July the 23rd yes and this is by his sister uh not guilty always not guilty not always enough not guilty always enough and this was picked up by the Detroit Free Press Dave Boucher we want to thank Dave Boucher for picking this up I really want to thank you because if it wasn't for you taking your time and you're and your cameraman doing exactly what these guys are doing I need all ears I need everybody listening this could be anybody's brother anybody's Uncle anybody's father and just think you can you can have an opinion and I know a lot of people say if you do the time you need if you do the crime you got to do the time I get that yes he done did the time 10 times over like when is enough is enough correct cuz it's definitely been enough yes overcharge over convicted Renee you grew up with him so as a as his best friend this is him this is him calling but I still want to hear from you really quick hey Barbara put it on speaker phone okay and then you can put it down yep hello hold on yes how's it how's it going Carlos hold on one second my brother we're excited to have you uh we just heard from your sister so I to hear from Renee you grew up with Carlos so as a character witness what would you say about Carlos oh Carlos was a fun kid we had great times together from the age of what 12 13 um just hanging out uh you know on the street we had a great block a great block Sunset Six Mile and Davidson completely we became friends me Carlos his sister and we just hit it off we just had a good old time being kids kids being kids 100% Excell put push that put that right over here by this mic all right how's it going my brother how you doing Nate man it's good to talk to you again yes good to talk to you too I heard from your sister I heard from Renee so uh we're going on 34 years later so Carlos to the listening audience can you explain what happened on that date what what what transpired on that date and how many years ago did this take place well um in 1991 me and a couple of my friends he was riding around been drinking smoking marijuana man we just got the crazy idea to go rob somebody you know and um we ended up in ham CH Michigan ending up in time TR Michigan um I had a gun on me we up in this alley behind his bar Joe's Bar And um I pulled out my gun and um and I told him Mr robber put your hands up okay um go ahead okay so that that uhhuh no go ahead okay so that's what happened in 1991 you and your friend was together he was 17 at the time when you were 18 correct yes okay what was Carlos go what was your childhood Alik so were you a problem kid uh were there's some things going on at home that had you in the streets like that at such a young age well I I don't you know when I was younger you know I stayed with my grandmother that was my early and most Fest memories you know my grandmother stayed in h Park Michigan you know we didn't have a house of our own so we live with my grandmother me and my brother my sister and my mother my granny and um it was cool you know I was I was a good kid man I was you know I used to rate Le sh snow help people to the I'm going help old people to the car with their groceries I used to write poetry and I used to do gymnastics you know I was I was I was I was big on gymnastics I was I was always flipping or walking on my hands and playing H shoes with my brother and having fun you know it was just I was a I was it was fun you know and um so just like a normal child just having fun having a good time but I heard you say earlier that particular that particular day y'all decide to go out out and do something that you didn't really I guess wanted to do but what what what what made you do what you did I mean what was that about you know when I was in when I was in society man I um when I was growing up I grew up hard and fast you know I suffered some childhood trauma abuse and um you know I didn't have my father in my life so I became I became I I became somebody else I wasn't I wasn't the same kid that was having fun playing hor shoes and my brothers and helping people you know I just I became angry and mad at my circumstances not having my father then the trauma that happened to me as a kid and and I just start rebelling I started in school and I started at home and so by the time I was 18 years old in the alleyway I didn't care you know I live my life on the edge every day of my life I was shot when I was 15 and almost died I was stabbed when I was 16 and almost died but I didn't care about dying I didn't I didn't I didn't have no cares about about dying in my life I just I didn't I didn't have nothing I felt like was meaningful so I did things in my life that that I normally wouldn't do on better circumstances but by me not caring and by me running around with so much pain inside of me it was easy easy for me to end up in an Alleyway I didn't have no sh yeah I I definitely understand that now you've been in there 33 years which is too long and this is what I want to talk about you were found not guilty of murder but you were found guilty of the robbery correct yes sir now who was anyone was anyone found guilty of the murder okay so ending up in that Alleyway I want to take you back to the the faithful night of May 17th 1991 behind Joe's Bar And Ham Michigan and the allei man it was it was a matter of sex seconds Ed up in there to do a robbery and two people ended up getting killed okay um and my codefendant my best friend my brother Jamal brown Le found guilty of the murder Jamal Brown was 17 years old Jamal never really been in Jamal Brown would never really been in trouble in his life so the the incident the incident happened so fast and it was unintentional for him it was just it was just we scared kids and we didn't know what to do the next thing you know I heard the gun got off and um it changed everything okay it changed everything yeah so yeah so to answer your question I was found not guilty of two counsel first decree fing murder and I hope every and everybody listen to this listen to this everybody he was found not guilty of two murders not one but two he was found not guilty of two murders but found guilty on robbery which was you supposed to get a Max of what eight years right my Max would have been 8 years prison with a minimum of three years in prison so how in the world did they stick you with a life sentence that a jury found you not guilty of I don't care about you having a a a past childhood a trauma or you've been in con you know in trouble with the law before that should have nothing to do because they say you are what innocent until what proven guilty correct so you were proven innocent but you still received a life sentence so explain to the audience and to the listening people how did that come about well that came about because the judge in my case felt like eight years was long enough for me to be in prison you know and um and he went outside my guidelines by using the murder conviction against me in my sentence he felt like I I prevented one of the victims from fleeing the scene but um the jury had the same facts as the judge did and he felt I wasn't responsible you know and um but he used that to give me a sentence of 50 to 75 years in prison wow I've been in prison I've been I've been in prison now since I was 18 so basically I've been in society for 18 years of my life and almost 34 years of my life have been spent in prison that is totally unheard of unacceptable I've never heard any I've heard of some some crazy stuff going on in our justice system but this right here they need to write more articles this need to be on a national level because you was railroaded I see so many things so many laws in your case you should have been out of prison a very long time ago and you know um go ahead now you know as you was talking and I just got I just I just went back to the day and I was in the courtroom as as a as a 19 year old getting senten cuz I turned 19 years in a county jail and I was just to remember this the whole playoff you know sitting in that courtroom I was so young and I was so full of so much Agony and pain and misery in my life that I couldn't even empathize with the victims cuz although although I never wanted nobody to be harmed or hurt but I guess by me being there I harmed and hurted somebody and that wasn't my intent to leave somebody where they couldn't walk home I just that wasn't my intent but I couldn't even empathize with the victims in my case back then that was telling me what I taken from them even though I wasn't responsible I felt like I was responsible so as a 18 I mean as a 19 year old kid in that courtroom at sentencing it was like when the judge said what he said I was emotionless already so it didn't really compute in my mind that I was going to serve 50 years because in my mind I wouldn't live to c25 so it was like doing that all for nothing cuz I'll be dead before I'm 25 because in my mind I've heard it so many times by so many people saying that I wouldn't reach to be old man and I really internalized that and I was living that like I wouldn't be an old man but now I'm an old man no you ain't old but I tell you this back then far as the the trauma you know and a lot of times we as African-American black men you know you're taught like if you go you know uh see counseling or you go see a therapist you consider that soft and weak and you know a lot of times well man ain't nothing wrong with you suck it up pull your bootstraps up and deal with it and so a lot of times we can get in situations because of our emotions and we don't have the type of uh resources back then to get that type of help that we need because you don't trust everybody with your pain you can't trust everybody you know with your trauma so you didn't have those type of resources one minute remaining you know so go ahead well thinking about what you said about trauma is like I'm real connected to it right because everything I went through in my life I tried to reflect in my adult stage in my manhood stage and my accountability and compassion stage to be able to see what had happened and you know I go to this leadership development class right now you know and um I be Che he always tell me he say that um every small kid needs a mentor correct can reach their full potential right they need somebody to show them the way so they can be what they was intended to be and in my case in the case of a lot of young black boys and girls growing up in the inner cities we didn't hire that mentor to get is over that that hurdle and if you miss a hurdle you know if in stages if you if you miss a hurdle then you going to be in adequate on some levels my inadequacy came from my lack of emotions not being able to thank you for using TTL yeah he's going to call he's going to call right back that is so sad that our system is so corrupt R how could you give somebody 50 years for something child basically a child at 18 years old for something that a jury found him not guilty of but so you take because from what I'm getting because I guess he was a problem kid or he had some interaction with the system so they look at him like an habitual they treated him at 18 years old already as an habitual and just went on and say okay you're a minister to society so we just going to go ahead and send you away and think absolutely nothing of it and Carlos is not just one of those individuals that that that this has happened to but it has happened to so many and especially when it come down to black men it happens as often because black men are looked at as problems as lazy as uh you know criminalized and so you already got this going against you MH but this young man has paid his dues well past well past his dues and I'm glad something is being done about it and now I want to ask you as this going this has been uh up at the Supreme Court um the Supreme Courts wanted $44,000 um I think they called on a Monday and they had the $4,000 by Wednesday like we're tired excellent my grandmother is ready to see her grandson our mother is not in the best of heal okay thank you for using GTL yeah I know I know it's hard yeah I know it's hard I was talking to your sister about uh where we at now far as the Supreme Court for an appeal can you hear me yes I can hear you and I say it again okay as far as an appeal because your okay listen your friend got out correct yes and he's been out for two years the one that committed the murder homicide he committed the homicide he's out you could and and he was found guilty he's out for murder how many years did he do how many years he did yes he did 31 he did 31 you're 34 but what I don't understand is he's out and he's been out for two years now correct yeah and you're still in for the murder that he did plus the Proby I mean that's exactly it is what it is not saying anything bad about him I understand but I'm just saying you took you might as well say you took the WAP mostly of everything because you're still in here serving a sentence that for something that you did not commit so where are we at now on an appeal right so to speak let's speak on the first thing so Jamal Brown I think it was 2012 that the United States Supreme Court ruled that it's cruel and unusual punishment the sentence um and the juveniles to life in prison right so they changed the law right and they changed the law and they made the law retroactive meaning that just because you the the noise new just coming out retroactive means it still apply to you even though you ain't own you own collateral review your time and Casas pass so he was able to utilize that to get out of prison because they changed the law and then just speaking his defense just to speaking his defense that he didn't deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison simply because he didn't in like I know they the people have died right but he didn't he didn't he didn't want that to happen I was a scared kid that at the trigger pull and it was just it was a matter of second that's just the first thing the second thing is in my case they ruled in 2019 the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that is unconstitutional for judges to use actic charges to enhance defended sentence BR mccan who was the chief judge in the Mississippi Supreme Court she wrote a lengthy brief on the fact how unconstitutional it is the sentence persons who has been found not guilty as if they was found guilty and so I hired my attorney my with the help of my family I was able to hire Attorney Mary Owens and we filed an appeal and right now we fighting because the the Law Courts and the court of appeals have ruled that the new law should be retroactively applied to my case great great so that's that's a good thing in um so hopefully you know we're looking for it you to be out uh very very soon you know and I talked with you a couple of times on the telephone and you know you was just telling me at that time where you were as you explained to a lot of people the mentality that you had at the time and you in there right now you know you're doing great things you in there growing you in there understanding and so thank God that you have a support system because you have so many in there as you know Carlos don't have that support system and you have a sister out here that's fighting very hard for you that misses you your grandmother n what 98 your mother's not doing well right now you know you have a best friend out here so you're really blessed to have the support that you have um and so it's just this process that we have to go through so I want to ask you this question question being in there long as you have been in there for 33 years give me your honest opinion how do you feel in regards of the Criminal Justice System do you trust our system well it's hard it's hard to be it's hard to believe in a system that that locks black and brown children up at an alarming rate you know that take fathers and and mothers away from the home and give a baseball scores michan is one of the the the one of the fewest States I think it's three I think it's three states that don't got no no incentives for good time good behavior you know they don't everything they've taken out of prison anything that can help you grow de evolve and develop as individual that can become home and be productive they didn't remove from prison everything basically you got to do on your own they got a lot of self-help um CS that's that's ran in prison me myself I'm a I'm the I'm the current president of NAACP so i s i do events and leadership class membership class and and I put on things for the community to try to boost the morale morale and I'm a core member for this group called chance for life I do that I'm a I'm a certified mediator and I I do what I can do to to to not just lift myself up but lift the young people up that like you said that don't have people that support them I become their support system and I whatever I can do to help them to put a smile on their face or ease their pain or they burden just a little bit then I do you know I don't look for no no glur no pass on the back I just do it because I knew how I came up I knew how I remember who I was I remember the things I experienced in my life the harsh things the realities that I live sleeping in outside man I slept on on the ground I didn't slept in the alley I didn't slept in garages I didn't slept in car I didn't always have it all figured out you know what I mean I you just think about a kid that was struggling in his own like I was chasing death but death wasn't trying to find me because I didn't care about about living in my life I just didn't care and so when I see the the criminal justice system as a whole it purports to to correct the behavior that's the name Correctional Facility they don't even call them prison they say Correctional Facility exactly but they are not you're right but they are correctly Behavior if you don't take it upon yourself to change how you think or how you see yourself then they ain't going to give you no help they they not going to give you no help you got some prisons that is so true that's real talk that's real talk now you talked about good time um I did a couple interviews his name is Jack wag uh Jack Wagner uh and he has a nonprofit that's called good time and I remember talking to him last summer is going on three years in The Proposal that they wrote to the legislature he said it's just still sitting there you know they're not even looking at they haven't even looked at it so he's getting thousands and thousands of signatures now so we can get this law passed here in Michigan for a good time and it's it's it's it's necessary and you know my heart goes out to you because you know uh overcharged overc convicted wrongful conviction you look at people that have been wrongly convicted uh that have done 45 I've interviewed a guy that went in at 17 he was 62 when he got out so it took them 45 years for them to find out that this man was not guilty that is so sad of a murder and that is so sad that all these loopholes and they say believe in the system and count on the system but it shows more and more you can't trust the system because at any given moment you can be at the right you could be at the wrong place at the wrong time and they will lock you up just Guilty By Association a lot of people have life sentences by Guilty By Association right and then you got to understand if you if you really want to take it back to be able to understand the Dynamics of prison so you just imagine you going to class and if you ain't got nothing to wear you know somebody may have some empathy they may give you some lunch they may say here's a shirt another KY is going to show you Humanity right that's just that's the human being that's the human thing to do so when you come when you come to prison when you come to prison when you come to prison please listen the first thing they strip away is your Humanity the reason why they strip away your Humanity because they want to see him Justified and being in to you right yes so when you talking about justify so they don't have no they they going to look at you as a human being so they going to say when they stepping on their neck and they mistreating you that you don't deserve it even though you went through the judge you went through the prosecutor you went through the jury and you went through the police officer now you got to come and go through the correctional officer and the correctional system who think you a bad guy who think that they didn't get it right in the court so I need to punish you even further so they don't just punish you by writing you infractions they they punish you by using the institution to dehumanize you on all levels only giving you a GD feeding you in the child H where they w't even feed animals the food that you eat they say you got three meals a day but you got to understand them ain't three meals a day when they telling a grown person to eat one hot dog that's your dinner or that's your lunch or a scoop of macaroni and cheese that's your dinner or that's your lunch or one grilled cheese sandwich and I know you may think it's small cuz a person may say well you got people out here on the street that don't got a chance but I truly believe that whenever you bless with life you got a chance yes whenever you can open your eyes you got a chance and whenever you can believe in yourself you got a chance so yes I shouldn't be in prison Nate I shouldn't still be in prison but the light still shines within me you know why cuz I can open my eyes every day and I can use my compassion my Humanity to show to give even though so much is being taken and has been taken from me yeah yeah yeah I much respect for you you know um you know like I said you you in there encouraging you in there being helping people out and you know you you didn't wrote some you didn't wrote books he has a book here pain is my past love is my future this is the book you know and you're doing so much you're doing so much in there um I'm just glad I'm honored to to meet you I'm honored to help bring awareness to this because this needs national attention please um I am so serious because you and a lot of other ones uh have just really really been done so wrong and treated unfair when it comes down to the criminal justice system and there is no way there is just no way I still cannot comprehend Carlos I just cannot comprehend your case I I just can't right I can't comprehend that I don't I don't I don't get it it doesn't make sense it don't add up and I I'm I'mma keep saying it I can understand the robbery you was found guilty but I cannot understand somebody getting 50 years and I want people out there that's watching this on every platform I'm talking to a inmate that has been locked up for 33 years for something he did not do and a jury found him not guilty so somebody out there tell me whether you a lawyer prosecutor judge tell me how can you give a man a life sentence on a charge that he was F now guilty of I don't get it I don't don't care how you fixed it I don't care how you put it up I do not get it and something needs to be done and if anybody watching this on a national level when it gets to a national level this man need to be released immediately he really does because he has paid his dues and some he paying dues for other folks and it does not make make any sense Brother Carlos yes and I appreciate I appreciate that was a very very touching and compassion and plead and you know Nate man what the mitigating circumstances let's just address that with with what we go through as as young teenagers young kids underdeveloped now people malnourish do everybody know what M nourishment means cuz the word m m only means to take away so if you Mal if they took something away that was essential to your development then how can you be accurately developed and I'm saying that people don't because there are some exceptions to the rule but they are exceptions they not the rule because it's so many people that can't develop and won't develop because the thank you for using GTL you know that you know to you Aisha I I can't I'm not in your situation I can only you know a lot of times people say I know how you feel no you don't I can imagine right I can only imagine how you feeling right now what is going through your mind to to know the way that your brother was done it hurts um he wasn't always that strong um we've had many conversations ation where I spent so much money on that phone cuz I said you better call me back soon as this phone hang up you better call me back because he had those weak moments he didn't want to live and just imagine being 16 I had to um focus on school and get a job and send the money cuz he had to eat like he said like that food and I remember him telling me one time he said hey sis you know I was coming out of the kitchen and a truck pulled up with some food on it and the only thing I seen on the side of that truck was do not consumed but they was feeding it to him and I told him then I said don't go back to that child H and from that day forward I make sure my brother eats I don't care for 33 years I've been taking care of my brother I raised my children taking care of my brother all my boys met my brother on their 18th birthday wow he is the best uncle he has a niece they're so close he calls her princess he wrote her her own book wow and the only thing that we want is for him to be home because she graduates next year okay she scored so high on her SATs that they excused her from three of her finest wow what college she going to Madonna okay hello good college good college she needs 18 credits to graduated she already already has 15 he's on the line that is awesome but that is that's like my grandmother she's 98 like how much longer does she have to wait to put her arms around her grandson exactly like how much more do we have to take because the whole 33 years he been locked up I been locked up yeah exactly MH exit you out but you locked up Y and that's what a lot of times Renee people don't understand correct you know people don't understand you know the pain and the acne and the things that go on you know and and and Carlos back with you you know we all understand the circumstances and the situations but you paid your dues brother you paid your dues you know what I'm saying and so you know and I and and I keep saying it you should not be here we should not be here so many more like you we should not be here going through this and and I'm I'm praying that this really gets national attention and that the Supreme Court and and and the appeal that you got going on that they really look at this and don't just let it sit there I'm dealing with this guy out of Mississippi uh his stuff kind of his his his case is a little bit like yours just a little different but it's just been sitting there you know it's just been sitting there sometimes they'll let your stuff just sit there and that's not cool so where do where do you what do you where do you see forth coming you know in your mind uh of what do you see forth coming Carlos hello I don't know if we lost them or hello hello yeah I think I think yeah I think we lost hopefully he'll call back hopefully he'll call hello but I just want everybody to understand that's out here that this is one of those cases that are so this is so sad you know and my heart goes out to you it goes out to your family it goes out to Carlos because y'all living it outside but he's living it on the inside you know he even took a step further and he dipped into the Braille situation so he even know how to read and write to the Braille and make remote controls make remote controls for the Braille so even when my brother comes home he may have went in as a troubled child but he came home as a asset to this world he he he's learned so much and they won't even give him a chance to show all that he done develop you know so that's that's not that's not good that's not fair and again it wasn't fair to his son I just feel like you know he should at least been able to raise his son you know to miss out on his only son's whole life right that's the saddest thing on Earth you can't ever get that man that back no you can't ever give him that back no no and that's the most that's that was the one thing he had was his son yeah was his son and I know he love and his son you know he has his own pain but he doesn't blame his father he just blamed his messed up system we live in right because he had to learn that's what took your bad away you're right right right in the system it is messed up uh Brother Carlos yes sir all right glad to have you back I love you yes sir I love you let me ask you this what do you see forth coming your way what do what do you see what what what what is your plan from here on out well you know the Bible teaches you to be transformed by the renewal of your mind yes sir once I once I changed the way I thought my circumstances started to change the way I looked at myself was different the way I move was different right and people that knew the old me didn't help with the new me because they couldn't get past that and that was another journey in itself trying to overcome reputations trying to overcome stigma that been placed on you as a as a black kid growing up the way that I did I see Freedom coming because I I truly believe in the promise of God I truly believe that he not GNA forsake me he not going to leave me in this place and then Bobby Chey you know I keep saying Bobby CH man but he like he my mentor even though at 51 he said you always need a mentor no matter how old you get but1 I looked at him so so I think about what he say he remind me say that if you still there that means you still got work to do and as long as you wake up with a smile on your face while doing that work you will find your blessings and I find my blessings and the many things that these brothers come to say to me about all the things I've done to help them along their Journey not just the respect but the real the real deep love that they possess for me in terms of how I give the service of myself to help them because I know how difficult my journey was I know I didn't have a certain person there to Lead Me the Right Way what I do now I found manhood in prison and to be able to find manhood ingredients with manhood CES accountability responsibility self love maturity selfless living so these are just some of the attributes that comes with a man and I thought I thought I was those things in the street but I was backwards I was walked in my thinking you know I thought I was a good person because I just was malicious or I was no devil but I wasn't because I was selling crack I was breaking in the houses I was robbing people I was mistreating women so I wasn't a good person even though I considered myself I was right and we looking at my life what's coming this right here what you doing right now is coming people are listening and if if a person can can still listen to you that means you still got something to say I pay homage to the people that's that's gone that that that blazed this trail that came to prison and was never able to get out of prison because they lost their lives whether it was violence whether it was heart attack whether it was diabetes or whether it was just suicide because this is in prison is Harsh on every level from the restitution that they take out of your account from the court feed they make you pay to the fact that so many people in prison are inent so many people don't got no hand they don't nobody that's going to give them anything so they suffering and they struggling you know what I mean and when they suffering them struggle and when you deprive deprivation to make you do something that you normally wouldn't do that is true now I'mma tell you this what I do like about you in what you're saying I hear a man that's taking accountability and I think that is important because a lot of times you hear uh people say you know everything was the system fought and I'm liking what you're saying hey I wasn't a good person I wasn't in my right mind I did this wrong I did that wrong now I understand and I think that is important and that's why I know you know you're already blessed and I already know you coming home God got you covered it's going to work out for you it's already worked out it's just manifesting as we talking right now day by day because anytime you take accountability you're on the right path CU you're not blaming everything on the system even though the system they did do you wrong right low down and just rot into the core but you understand I played a part also so that along I respect you for that my brother I really do but you saying that you saying that I don't mean in but I want I want to get you where you at right now you saying that right yes about accountability you saying that right now this what I think about if we make excuses for our failures then we don't understand our failes to make them into success yes sir I'm going say that again if we make excuses for our failures then we would never understand our failures to make them into that is so true that's powerful I don't I don't want to make no excuses anymore they was my fair you know the system was only able to do what I put myself in position to let them do talk to us talk to us wasn't there to do the robbery then they would have never been able to put me in prison and give me time that wasn't deserving to me if I would have never got in that truck if I would have never been drinking if I would have never came up with the idea I would have never did all those things that led me to be in that courtroom with an unforgiving judge with an Unforgiven prosecutor because they never asked my me mitiga circumstances they never ask me not not the police officer who arrested a 18y old kid not the prosecutor not the a defense attorney and not the judge they never asked me why this 18y old kid is before me what him here they never ask me that because they they they never they never they always talk about the uh effect but they never talk about the cause and it's a cause and effect for everything thank you and that's the problem with the system all they look at is the effect but what caused this young man to go down this road thank you you know how can we how can we help this young man yes you know uh they wasn't thinking about being Progressive back then they wasn't thinking about what they call restorative justice today you know and and and and that has always been a problem and I app I just want to let you know I appreciate you because you end up connecting me with my Gods son you know uh DeShaun Franklin and yes sir you know and I've been my vice president by the way he the vice president of the NAACP by the way look at this yes look at this yes and I and you know I've been me to talk to him for so for the longest and you know to talk to him and and meeting you you know what I'm saying to to to to talk with him and so so go ahead man you talking to you man it's like you a long lost brother and I mean that man cuz when we talk we hit it off nobody got to push it nobody had to force the conversation wasn't it wasn't static he wasn't hesitant it was just we were just flowing this is the thing cuz I truly believe in the African proverb I am because we are right sir and think in terms of I am because we are that means we a collective when you take a when you take an individual you don't got an individual you got a collection of ideas that was given to him by his parents his community and so forth all those things that he's been inter withing in it makes him who he is these are the things that the justice system never asks you have one minute remaining they never asked about the fabric or the individual they were just looking at the bad ass that's correct but if they would unravel the fabric of them they be like man right he just need some help he don't he don't need prison he just need some he need sir need Community can grow up in this is where he don't need prison 18 17 he don't need prison not for this exact years for this you feel what I'm saying so so when I think about you when I think about all the brothers who help you my man beon RI and is I gotta give him a shout out free people free people cuz the brother is doing his thing yeah all trying to shine a light on a situation where it's so dark it's so Bleak it's hopeless and what you doing right now is commendable because it's coming from your heart you left inside the church thank you for using GT I mean it's it's definitely from the heart because it can't be no other way but from the heart and so we're going to if if he calls back we're going to take him one more time and then we going to close it out okay and um but this is like man he just has such a awesome Spirit about him and this man is a genius I am so so serious he's so in tune he's so well versed uh he knows what he's talking about and so a lot of times people go in and they ain't learn nothing and they come back out and go back in go back in because they so instit you know intuitional lied that that's all they know this man when he gets out Carlos is going to be such an impact in this community world and you know we we we really do we we we got a we got a king that's sitting in there he coming out and he's defin he's definitely coming out definitely time for him to come out we we got about we got about 15 more minutes left Carlos and 15 yeah we got 15 more minutes left and so 15 right yeah yeah we got 15 yep 15 more minutes left so what would you say to to somebody that's going through what you're going through right now that's incarcerating somebody what I say to somebody that's going through what I'm going through right now for me for me you got to reconnect yourself with that kid before that kid felt like the world and understanding because when you go back to that person you will find the person and the ability to be able to say I need some help see your your mother can't help you if you don't let her know your problems your father can't help you your community can't help you can't nobody help you if you won't let them in so if you want to prevent yourself from making the bad decisions just talk to somebody first ask somebody for some help let them know what you going through be vulnerable because your vulnerability is going to be the reward that saves you from prison or save you from the grave the people that left the people that I knew that's no longer here they didn't have an opportunity to change they never got an opportunity to ask that question and be able to to receive the answers that will afford them the ability to be able to change the direction of their life and that's what it's about changing the direction of your life because it's like I say long as you able to open your eyes that you can do something with it no matter how Bleak the circumstances is you could do something with it even if you in prison and your circumstance look so dark you can do something with it because you could be a light for somebody else and to somebody else so don't just look at the circumstances as being I'm in the whole look at the circumstan that I got all the ingredients around me to make something beautiful and the reward is the satisfaction that you get from the people that you help the things that you've done so even if you now don't know how to ask a person a question or ask for help or show a person your trauma I say that was my reward releasing my trauma to the world I'm not afraid I'm not ashamed I'm not ashamed I don't regret I'm thankful that I became penitent I'm thankful that I live long enough to be remorseful to be compassionate and a high empathy and be able to understand what Humanity really means yes I'm thankful that I live long enough to see that but even further than that uhhuh I want to thank the people that's instrumental in my life my wife my mother my sister my friend Renee Deon riil my brother my Detroit cousins and aunti my Chicago cousins my Indiana cousins thank you for the support it was your support that kept me on my feet when I'm walking around so many people that's laying down they don't want to live playing themselves and things that's bringing death whether it's drugs or whatever prison ain't no place for a person to find his promise but this is the place that God bless you with that promise so you don't go tell nobody go to prison to find manhood or Womanhood you tell them don't go to prison because somebody that's inside of it is going to show you what manhood and Womanhood is about all you got to do is reach inside of the prison and be a help of hand for somebody else if you feel like you hopeless and you feel like you don't got nobody to talk to all you got to do is go to Otis find somebody that's in prison pick somebody and just attach yourself to them because we are I am because we are and that little measure of generosity would produce the fruits that you would benefit from in your everyday life and society that is so so so well said and is so awesome really quick Carlos to the ones that are out here like back how you used to be back in the day little 16 17 18 year old kids out here cutting up cuz we got a bunch of kids out here Wasing All County that's cutting up they 15 14 years old they walk toen guns they shooting each other and not just here in washingon County but all over it's going over so what would you say to a problem kid that's working on you know coming to prison what would you say to them to keep them from coming to prison saying hey this this ain't where you want to go first of all so so let me say this let me speak in two parts and I I gotta bring Bobby chery back in it again so first of all Bobby Chey say when he see he don't see a problem child so cuz he say when it's a problem child then you got to go to the source of it right and the source of it is his caregivers whoever is caregivers is and often times a lot of these children don't have caregivers so you can't blame a child's dysfunction on himself because he don't got nobody that's really cmed enough to love him enough to be able to be there and show him the right way to do things so if you got a a mother that's an alcoholic or a drug fiend and the father ain't there the community is decadent he don't got noo clothes to go to school he ain't got no adequate um Health Care he don't got no adequate housing these things are Mal nourishments meaning when they Mal nourishment it ain't the child because the child is trying to find out and figure his place in the world if you can't blame it on him or her they trying to figure out they place so don't look at it is being a problem so any little 16 15 13 year old kid that's going through struggles of life just know just for a second just pause just for one second just pause and ask yourself one simple question do you deserve better are you worthy of better and if you can answer that for yourself even in the height of your pain even in the height of your confusion I guarantee you you will start to make different choices in your life if a person abused and hurt you that ain't your shame and caring that's STS and you can overcome that Shame by standing up for yourself if person mistreated you that ain't on you that's on that person because you was looking to them for leadership so don't think that you a bad kid and you just can't be figured out think about you a great kid and just want nobody to give you the time the patience and the love to help you figure it out because you need somebody awesome very very very very awesome thank you so much uh Brother Carlos man I appreciate you thank you for the shirt thank you for the book Thank you for the poems man you are so inspiring you know and I am so honored to meet you I really am I I sincerely mean that it's a pleasure I'mma do all that I possibly can do uh on my platforms to to bring awareness to this continuous this will not be our last interview you know I told you I want to do some I want do some more work with you because you can inspire you know a lot of these kids out here too so it's just so much I want to to do and work with you I want to thank your sister your friend Renee uh Isa from coming up from the city you know up here in Ipsy to just sit down and talk and man you are blessed know that know that you're blessed and highly favor to have the support uh that you have and and I just look at it it's just a matter of time it's just a matter of time and so thank you go ahead thank you before I go can I get a couple minutes yes you can but thank you thank you for opening up your home to me I truly appreciate it I will never forget the kindness you bestowed upon me through the blessings of our creator thank you sincerely I sincerely mean that and anything I can do for the children for the young people in the dark please don't hesitate to ask but y'all need to walk with this man Nate FR because this brother he about his business he trying to bring a light where so much Darkness he trying to bring some love where so much pain and he trying to bring a away where it feel like it's none but I want to say one last thing I want to leave with this PO I wrot and I love this poem because it really reflect who I am when I reach this level and the name of the poem is called I have risen all right and I say I have risen from the deepness of my sleep because I choose to be more than the prison number that they use to define me no I am more I'm not that same 18y old immature selfish drug dealing robing and stealing n slick Hustler taking advantage of my brothers sisters and mothers almost 30 years ago no I am more I'm the brother that stayed in the mud until I Rose and S discovered educated my mind with a pres that was like no other free all the political prison so we may enjoy the preses of our sons and our daughters found empathy for my victims because I know they can to suffer sought forgiveness from a power much greater than my own because I knew we needed each other yes I have risen I have cultivated my mind beyond the triages of my past because I am driven I am no longer miseducated influenced by bad behavior or geared towards a destructive end that doesn't reflect my inherent nature yes I have risen I am dedicated to the struggle I give all I have even my own life to save the lives of my sisters and my brothers and I stand on this at the Apex of my structure because all I am and all I was ever be is tired within this transformation that has made me power yes I have risen excellent brother excellent yes excellent thank you so much brother brother love you man you know love you too man thanks for hosting me man I truly appreciate it I truly do I truly appreciate it man I look forward working with you yes it's definitely my pleasure my brother definitely my pleasure if you if you and if you could man if you could could you put the free Carlos king shirt on and take a picture with them and and post it on my group page he has it on I have it on he has it on oh that's what's up I have it on and and they are hey everything you said they already didn't done it here it is here it is that's right free Carlos King yeah free man up man love you my brother all right Rick NE man you keep doing your work with free people free people man and keep doing the things you doing on your platform man you need to connect with the brother you need to connect with the brother Nate cuz we all can do some great work together because we working for the same objective remember I am because we are so we need each other yes thank you my brother God bless you take care you too all right brother I love you I love you too peace I also wanted to mention um to invite everyone to join our hash free Carlos King Facebook group page absolutely so visit our site join become a member and you'll see other things that he has uh written other things that we have that we can share with you by the book yes and this and this is the article that his sister did uh not guilty not always enough enough and if you open it up he's on the bottom and you know what the the thing about there you go pull that one out and flip it there he is it's down there right here okay oops I'm sorry I moved the mic get us some trouble right here he is down at the bottom we all okay all right here he is down at the bottom this is a article this is his sister and sentencing practice band some remain in prison so I'mma read that I'mma share it all right listen it's a link on our on our group page too that they can go in and read it also okay y excellent excellent and Nate thank you thank you so much for responding to me so quickly when I reached out to you and look at where we're at today so we really appreciate it I appreciate both of you for coming up she a cater too tell me about you got you got your business I do tell them about your bus go and give yourself a shout out shout out yeah hey give yourself a shout out hey I love people that can cook now I I am actually my my my name outside of Aisha King is cook lady you can look me up on Instagram it's cook lady unor Cella s e l l aore bra and my M was ordered today eat tomorrow because like my brother I going through all that I went through I used to do hair nails lay floors and all that other good stuff and for some reason I went in the kitchen and I found that to be My Sanctuary so I go in the kitchen and I take it out on the kitchen and I just love to cook I cook all day anybody that knows me you call me at 11:00 you'll be eating about 1 cuz I don't take long so she told told you she called me 20 minutes before she got there and I had to whip up some stuff so she can eat before we came but I really want to appreciate you I really love this platform and I really want everybody to know like I know people have their opinions and you can have yours his case is wide open free Carlos King page go read it nobody I'm like I'm like Nate you have to explain to me like he said any judge any lawyer any prosecutor please explain to his family yes why have we missed him for 33 years yes why have I have why have I been locked up for 33 years every prison he goes to I'm going there's nowhere you can send him that I won't find him yes but we're tired we're tired you got to know we're tired all the money the GPA GTL GTL yeah that's a whole new phone company I mean all that money we spend we go visit them we need what $100 need at least $100 $3 in there pack of M&M's $3 you know know it's terrible but you know yeah you know we got to go see him because that's fresh year he comes out of there and he gets to sit in the visiting room and just have a breath of fresh air yes you know but it it it even sitting in a in a visiting room you you still can't have any compassion you know just the other day I went to go see my brother you know it's Friday I miss him you know I would like to take him home and cook for him and you know to kick his feet up and you know have him sitting there with his son watching football all day but you know I leaned and laid on his shoulder like that he like pushed me off of them and I was kind of bothered by that I said what's wrong I can't lay on your show he like nope he like I'll get a ticket I was like you'll get a ticket like yeah you can't you can't like that's crazy I'm his I'm his little sister I couldn't even lay on my brother's shoulder for a second you know to just have a just lay there you know I miss my brother I miss him I miss him and all the cops they looking like you know and he like you know you got to sit up you know you can't do it yeah TI it's terrible it is and that's a place nobody want to but definitely I'm glad you gave yourself a shout out she said the kitchen is is her Sanctuary God knows I'm looking for a woman that kitchen is the sanctuary cuz I love to eat if that's your Sanctuary you got me well I'm gonna I'm going to say this before Nate Clos this out I am taken I am listen I I am not going to lie and I'm glad it's live stream because honey I love love you okay I love you you got you a good one you got you a good one k i I am happy to be taken am amen ain't nothing wrong with that ain't nothing wrong with that God bless both of you thank you God bless you uh thank you to my cameraman Justin thank you Jus coming in let's give him a hand all right come out doing an excellent job listen love you all thank you all please share this to platforms Let's help bring more awareness to this so we can get Carlos King up out of there it's time for him to come home and enjoy his sister's good cooking all right and get back to life and enjoy his latter years and always say my my my latter would be better than my former right it will be greater my latter years would be my greater love you all thank you all signing out will see you all next week Heart to Heart Nate Frasier God bless