but yeah it's to back up I'm sorry I think we should have good you should be sorry yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to ramble here okay I'm here for a long time Destiny just mocked and insulted Joe Rogan's audience on Lex fredman's podcast and Lex fredman is a really patient calm guy and you have to be when you talk to someone like Destiny because Destiny being the all knowing he thinks he is believes the people who watch Joe Rogan are pretty much just ignorant and uneducated people who don't really do any of their own research and just accept what Joe Rogan and others tell them but Lex fredman really wasn't having it and slowly but surely he just kind of peels back Destiny's argument to reveal that Destiny is really the fool rather than the people who watch Joe Rogan so let's jump in I think there are good conversations to be had about a lot of stuff related to how we handled the Corona virus you know we lockdowns effective was there enough data to support the huge measures we took um you know why didn't we have the option to show I was infected a month ago why do I need to be vaccinated why did why wasn't that option ever thing in the United States I don't think it was um there are really good questions to be asked there but all the people asking the questions are also trying to tell you that icon and monoclonal antibodies are the way to go for everything and the vaccine is evil and it's going to turn you gay like the frogs and it's like Jesus like you can't there's like no place to reasonably criticize from because all of the people that are criticizing aren't doing it with an open mind or uh you know they're not reading studies or doing anything they're saying like I do my own research which means they listen to whatever last guy on Joe Rogan said and now they're parting that opinion 100% the last guy on Joe ran not Joe Rogan okay that Robert Malone guy on Joe Rogan got me real fired one guest people see him as like the father of mRNA technology he published one paper okay what do you mean people which people think that Joe Rogan fans I get like I I run into these people I start arguing with people and they start sting me what about I'm a Joe Rogan fan and I appreciate the vaccine that's good I'm glad you do but there's definitely so but you said there's a type there's a type what's the type what's the type of Jo fan anti-establishment I think that's not Joe Rogan that's like that's a general public discourse there's a default anti-establishment on the on the right and the left that's the default easy thing to go to I think Jo R fans are definitely a certain type of anti-establishment though like I could guess the Joe Rogan fan like if I were to do general population versus Joe Rogan fan who do you think is more likely to be antivaccine do you have data on this are you just guessing just guessing yeah I think you are actually judging I am I think judging cuz I think you're also the beautiful thing about podcasting this could be similar in streaming is there's a large number of people that just listen like what what does it mean to be a Joe Rogan fan I don't think you just listen I think people listen and absorb the information I would say that Joe Rogan fan base is as divided in the vaccine as the general public gotcha man I'm going to look for polling data on that I'm sure somebody's got to have done it out there but no but you're you're basically revealing the fact they have no data you're using your own judgment for sure uh based on how he's had conversations about how his experience with the Corona virus and then based on the guests that have come on that have talked and echoed a lot of like antia talking points and been completely unchallenged and then based on statements he's made about like myocarditis and the vaccine and everything as well yeah so that it's the level of challenge or nod that he's doing well yeah and then what his true positions are and then the types of guests he typically chooses to bring on to talk about the vaccines yeah okay but that represents somehow a deep anti-establishment feeling versus just the VAC I mean I've seen the vaccine and other things being a thing that broke people all the coron virus that whole one or two years broke a lot of people there's a lot of emotion and the emotion quickly uh solidified into an opinion that almost had nothing to do with like re like thinking through and updating your knowledge and so on you just made up a made up your mind yeah but I think a lot of it comes from that anti-establishment place like what the vaccine represents the ultimate of establishment it was a huge private company backed by a huge uh public government and there's fouchy and there's Biden and there's fizer and there's all these countries locking us up in our homes telling us to do a thing like the vaccine was like the ultimate like submission tool to like show you that the government owns you not only you have to get injected once it's a series and then you got to get boosters and it's like they're trying to keep you under their thumb and it's that's the control um I Feel Like That vaccine became like the ultimate rallying cry between like do you support are you a sellout that is going to believe whatever the government tells the Sheep to take or you going to be like the guy that stands against the crowd and gets fired from his job and pulls his kids from school because they're not going to let the evil fouchy medicine you know jab them in the arm and the funny thing is the crowd that stands against the institution is not larger than the crowd of sheep there's like one sheep standing there sure yeah or it feels that way sometimes one vaccinated sheep but okay uh what's the defense of Institutions how do you regain the trust of Institutions like for first of all do you think that there's ways in which wh CDC failed and do you think there's criticism towards fiser and the big Pharma companies that's deserv it damn the Pharma companies I'm not sure um for CDC and so here's a criticism that I have of all of Academia and I feel it stronger and stronger every day I don't think it's enough to be a researcher or to be correct about issues Academia needs to increase its ability to communicate um it is just an an unbelievable unmi failure that academics are unwilling to wade into the complicated topics uh that exist today because other people are you know first you call me spineless and then you call me a bad communicator but no look you're here you're doing it so you get props for me okay good job that [ __ ] but they're like so many but I'm sure you've I'm sure that you must have um heard another fellow academic a fellow colleague express some amount of frustration about like in their specific discipline they know something to be true and they know that like a lot of the messaging is like wrong or bad in the public about it but they're never going to step out and say anything because either one they're very measured and careful with their takech which they feel is incompatible with what people want to hear or two they're really worried that they might be incorrect so they're going to be cautious while everybody else is going out and like hardcore their and they also don't have the supportive institutions for them to go out on a limb yeah that too so like to take risks for example I've heard that with u lab League Theory I've had a lot of biologist biologist friends that are like yeah it's obviously leaked from a lab like early on oh maybe okay we can fight over this one but sorry guys we can fight over this but like they okay I I should sort of backstep and you know for someone like Destiny to talk about Joe Rogan's audience not doing their homework not doing their research I find all sorts of holes in what Destiny was talking about I mean like monoclonal antibodies Ivermectin fouchy Pharma all of these things and all of everything that was said about all of that when it happened during Co was all a lie I mean monoclonal antibodies are great fouchy lied about everything and it was made in a you know not a wet Market but actually a lab leak and the pharmaceutical companies just lied about everything everything was a lie and yet this guy Destiny you know still thinks that Joe Rogan's audience isn't the one who's doing enough research and yet you can already see all sorts of holes in what Destiny is saying I'm glad Lex fredman is pushing back on Destiny cuz it's like whoa like what are you talking about man you need to you need to back it up a little bit because you're getting a little bit past yourself but let me know in the comments do you think what Destiny has said so far makes like really that much sense is he all- knowing or is he the one who's rather ignorant let me know because I'm always so curious to know what people think and how bad they think Destiny is but if you're enjoying the video leave a like and let's get back into it the suppor of Institutions for them to go out on a limb yeah that too so like to take risks for example I've heard that with uh lab leak Theory I've had a lot of biologist biologist friends that are like yeah it's obviously leaked from a lab like early on oh maybe okay we can fight over this one but sorry guys we can fight over this well like they okay I I should sort of back step and say like that's like you talk about shooting the [ __ ] you haven't really investigated but it's your gut like this doesn't make any sense there would never say that publicly of course mostly because you're saying like what they would all say is like we want see data yeah which would be good which is fine so they're going with like like this just too many coincidence in the same place that's the the logic but they don't want to say anything because there's no data you need to have evidence you need to have actual evidence to say one way or the other there's that but there's also just like you said I mean effective effective communication you're a fan of Sean Caroll who's one of yes he's like one of the only people in this whole planet that I like besides you I love Sean Carol anytime Sean Carol has brought up as evidenced there's a smile that comes over your face of like Joy of like a little kid thinking about Santa Claus okay I love Sean caral too clear I love Sean Caroll because there I hate this divide between like your either stem or your like philosophy arts and all that other stuff and the Two Worlds can cross and I love that he was so good at physics but like explores and pays attention to all of the like sociological stuff too it's so rare to find that quality in a person he's legit one of the really really really specializ but you don't have to be a Sean Carl you can be just a little better at educating another person in the uh in the medical and the health space is somebody named Andrew huberman a friend of mine from uh Stanford he's an incredible educator there's the kind of process in science they usually call like review or survey papers where you basically summarize all that's going on integrate it and like draw wisdom from it and also project like where is the discipline headed and Andrew does that basically on all these subcomponents of the different stuff going on in in neuroscience and biology neurobiology all that he's able to he does a podcast called hubman lab where he just summarizes all and is able to explain like what does that actually mean for your for your life in terms of Protocols of how to make your life better I feel like people should be able to do that more and more but with vir virology and oh boy that's a tricky one that's a really tricky one I wish that people could have honest conversations like I attack a lot of people that do the lab leak Theory stuff but truly we should be able to have that conversation publicly it just it always feel like the people that are having the conversation don't ever really want to have the conversation they're not being honest like every like I'm a guy that like does his own research and it's so boring reading studies and a lot of it I can only do abstracts and like I like it's so much work but I'll never ever say that about myself I'm a guy that does his own research because every time I hear somebody say that they don't do any research when they say they do their own research where they mean as they've seen one podcast and their opinion on his podcast is that definitely not mine cuz it was mine I wouldn't be criticizing anything they say um but yeah so like La leak is where it's like well how do you know it's La leak how do I know it's La leak uh because fouchy lied and Hunter Biden laptop and it's okay come on you have an engage with all there's really interesting research that shows there's a really strong study that shows that there's like a high degree of certainty that it came from the wet markets very very high degree of certainty and there there was an article that came out recently where it's like Senate concludes that virus actually came from uh the Wuhan virology lab or whatever um in that whole article if you actually read it it never says that in the article I don't know why they tweeted it with that headline um but yeah it's to back up I'm sorry I think we should have good you should be sorry yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to ramble here okay I'm here for a long time I resent my apology okay I actually rescent my apology um we should be able to have challenging conversations about things but you got to man be well r on both sides not not this like I do my own research though I don't believe anything that fouchi says like come on dude you can do better than that not you personally but gotcha how does that feel feels uh so for people who don't know that's the catchphrase gotcha through all tragedy and Triumph through all the roller coaster of life you response to it Lex fridman is a smart guy and I enjoy his podcast when he has guests like Destiny on I feel like he has to treat them gently Destiny loves to talk down to people saying they don't do their own research but he ignores that the very people he's listening to have been lying to him all along he'll say oh but look at this paper when sometimes you don't need to dive into study to see the obvious the guys being conned Destiny thinks he's so smart but he's blind to what's right in front of him if someone has been lying to you the whole time why would you trust anything they say whether it's about the lab leak wet markets or whatever if they've lied about everything else why believe them now the same goes for the government fouchy Biden the media and big Tech they're all part of the same problem and Destiny just can't see it kudos to Lex fridman for being patient with him let me know in the comments what you think about Lex's approach with Destiny if you like the video be sure to hit the like button and subscribe see you next time