Kara-murza interview

uh no we certainly don't need more real politic that's one thing we definitely do not need and I think it is very important that the world's democracies stand on their values stand on their principles actually practice the principles that they are founded on and if we're talking about the specific situation it is very important that Vladimir Putin is not allowed to win the war against Ukraine I'll say more than that it's very important that Vladimir Putin is not allowed to have a ph- saving exit from this war in Ukraine the Putin regime must be defeated in this war of aggression that it has launched against Ukraine that is absolutely clear best