so Britney I know that we have made uh you answering this question Difficult by asking you to jump right on this podcast with us as soon as the debate ended but what are you hearing in the spin room about how the surrogates are trying to spin the performances of the two candidates well I mean I just heard from Donald Trump who was right behind us again trying to claim that he won obviously so hard to qualify because he was able to prove that this Administration is made a Moy uh the economy is so bad I think a lot of it is stuff you've been hearing from the base this entire time arguments that are not new I really think at all I think they're unable to point to really any one moment for her where she flubbed she didn't call anybody the wrong name she didn't falter she I mean look at her performance versus Joe Biden of course the bar is tectonic right but see know and so they're not able to say well look how bad of a job he did and she is made in his M image so they're really just trying to you know they they're playing Freebird it's all the classics right and you from what I could get bits in pieces Trump was trying to replay the same thing and I mean it helped when KLA Harris even say something that I forgot that she's a gun owner you know she's like kind of throwing out these things talk about median voter right like say hey Tim Walls is a hunter and a gun owner and guess what you didn't know this about me so am I right so he can't even come out and say the NRA a voted him and you know and she's so horrible for gun owners right so she really I think Ed a lot of the incoming of course she knew was going to happen because she she knows what what the Playbook is so I mean I think you see tulsy gabber right now on her ear behind me and I'm really curious about what she has to say but I'm sure it's going to be you know a lot of the same scan this QR code to go to the apple and Spotify podcast apps to download the full 538 politics podcast