welcome to the program Nicole Shanahan we're thrilled to have you on Nicole how are you hi I'm very good Glenn how are you doing I'm good um you know I'm I'm excited to talk to you um for multiple reasons but we're not going to really talk about policies because I'm sure we disagree a lot on policies but there is a there is a bigger umbrella that um that we both really agree on and that is the Bill of rights and what is happening to our country right now can you take us from where you were when you first signed up with RFK uh and what changed you to the point to where you're you're now saying yeah I mean Robert is right he should be running with Trump yeah you know I have been I'm a lifelong California Democrat liberal I've worked really hard um over the last 15 years of my life to try to do the right thing create you know a merit-based society um I I've I do it with a lot of love I do it with a lot of Desire um and I do it with a lot of science as well I'm an AI developer in Silicon Valley affiliated with Stanford now for over 10 years went to law school in Silicon belly was an IP lawyer an entrepreneur so I you know was very comfortable within the Democratic party for many years but I have to say something happened in 2016 that started a cascading series of events that has led to a morphus in the Democratic party that make it immoral in in my opinion unprincipled um lacking on honesty lacking transparency lacking competence and they feel entitled uh to throw away very very important principles principles like the Bill of Rights um principles like you know our first amendment Free Speech principles like not using um sabotage in Democratic processes it's and they feel entitled entirely and i' I've done this investigation I did this investigation prior to leaving to the party because I tried to reform the party I tried for years to find someone at the DNC you know they gutted you know any real leadership at the DNC they put in uh a a guy who's just you know they don't even bother to talk to the official leadership at the DNC because they think it's irrelevant it's just a carry along program now uh it's just a carry along group that just is almost an administrative pocket for the Pelosi um uh con and and and and so I I saw it falling apart from the inside with a great deal of concern and you know at some point as a donor they kind of just push you into a corner and they say well if you don't want Donald Trump you have to support us and that's their bottom line that's all they have left as a policy is not Donald Trump and my last response in the weeks before I left the party was that is not a policy that is not leadership you can't run on a platform of not Donald Trump and Nicole you know go go on it it amazes me that so many people um are willing to say uh to the person who was the lowest ranked vice president um really despised by the PE she couldn't hold anybody in her office her policies were all upside down uh for for America in 2020 when she was running for president and now people are saying oh she's the greatest oh she's great they don't care about the policies they're voting for an oligarchy they're voting for a machine they don't care yeah and you know I think the thing that makes me really sad is that they're using these wonderful American sensibilities and they're abusing them to manipulate their voter base um and you know she's a woman of color um she you know is selling that for everything it's worth right now and that to me is the kind of thing that goes against the very liberal principles that I was raised with I was raised with you know yes we should have a social net we should not be racist um we should fight for the underrepresented but that is not what this is this has War wared into something else entirely that tells people that it doesn't matter um how incompetent you are um if you can check a box of a minority on a sheet that is enough and you should be celebrated for that fact and the um and that to me is really sad and and that's why when people say oh the Democratic parties all of these liberal Progressive that's not what that is that is actually um a a form of racism in my opinion because it it creates a hierarchy based on race yes um it and so go against everything Martin Luther King taught everything that Martin Luther King taught everything and all of the things I was raised on in Oakland A little girl coming up and and I'm a you know I'm a brownish woman like I like I have I grew up in Oakland and Oakland Public School Systems and I was in a very Multicultural place and these are not the principles I was raised with so this is coming from someplace else um and it it does ring more closely to what my mother grew up in with in in communist China which is this um single narrative totalitarianism which used um phrases and slogans and and really kind of a form of cultural brainwashing um to uh really uh solidify power so talk to me about because I look I I really don't mind there's opposition in all things and we should be having debates I don't want my way or the highway and I'm perfectly willing to accept that America might disagree with me and go another way and vote for another candidate um if we're actually talking about the issues you know if we're actually talking about real policies we're not lying uh to each other you know we're not uh you know just operating with chaos and confusion um or you know rigging the system um but that's I think what's happening and I don't know uh how Nicole we can can reach out to our you know our neighbors I believe Democrats are good people I think some of them are bad just like some Republicans are bad um but the average person that lives you know on my street that is that votes differently I don't think they want totalitarianism I don't think they want another War how do we talk to them to get them to wake up and go wait a minute this is not what they say they are this is this is not the Democratic party anymore yeah I've I had you know I'll just be honest with you Glenn like my lived experience now running for office with RFK Jr as a third party and seeing how low the Democrats went and how they qualified their behavior with these beliefs that you know some of them know are just not true like let's talk about what Rachel M said about if Trump wins he will be a dictator and he will send people like me to camps um that's some that is a big statement for someone on the mainstream media to say this is not a joke and so people who respect the mainstream media are watching this and taking it as truth and it really um so you know I feel like my job has been trying to take statements like that and unpackage them for the for the Democrats who are listening to that and only receiving their news through these channels and telling them I'm really sorry you believe this it's a scary thing to believe I know you believe it fully in your being right now but she's lying to you and let me tell you why so how do you convince people Nicole go through that and unpack that yeah so I've been toying with um different ways of doing this with my team I don't know if you saw the ad we released last week I love it Trump arangement syndrome I had I had never even heard of that term until I went on Tommy Lauren and she used that phrase and after my interview with Tommy I had to look it up and um and and I I thought it was really interesting because when I when I paired this idea of like you know people are so afraid of Donald Trump for these reasons for the reasons that you know Rachel M is is propagating um it it really creates a a environment of psychosis so I try to approach it in the same way I approach somebody who's having a really hard time and and and maybe it's because they don't have full information um or they've been shaken by something or someone or there's there's peer pressure around them and um I you know humor always breaks through that first layer if you can get people to laugh they um they loosen up it it sends these you know happy um chemicals through the body and it it actually opens up the brain for re receptivity so we I was just like we produced that video for I think under $110,000 and it's gotten 5 million views we didn't have to buy an influencer or anything we just had to be good we had to be funny and we also had to kind of show truth in it so if you go through that TDS commercial it there's a lot of Truth in it we don't you know mince words we're really gentle we don't even endorse Trump at the end of it we're just calling for people's Independence to return to them their critical thinking um and they laugh like even even the Dems who we showed it to asked um you know some some people were resentful there was um my father-in-law actually is a never Trumper and he he found it a he was a little resentful but he still chuckled so that opened up a conversation um that then allows us to dig a little deeper and that next layer is really going Point by Point through um all of the top 10 things that never trumpers believe believe um they believe that January 6th was an Insurrection and innocent um uh service members on Capitol Hill uh died as a result and so you have to unpack that um Megan Kelly did a really really good job with that one um but there are certain facts that are just being kept from Democrats about January 6 in the Insurrection you know for one that Trump called for peace he said go forward peacefully um right and and and then issues around the National Guard not being deployed I mean there there were so many inconsistencies and so unpacking that itans you just have to do it patiently because there are some really smart Democrats they just take time to get through but once you get through that first layer of TDS you can really start to debunk these um the second one is that oh go go on go ahead no no go I'll just go through the top three okay all right um this this second one I keep hearing about Donald Trump is he's bad for women and and gays and I've had many of my gay community come to me and say how could you be supporting someone who could hurt me um and I my response is I've you know he was actually one of the first presidents on day one to to say gay marriage was okay he never attacked gay marriage um and and they don't know that people don't know that yeah um and and then reproductive freedoms is the one that I hear a lot as well and this is one in which I think that the Democrats really screwed themselves because um it it was the Supreme Court the highest court in our nation handed down a effectively constitutional reframing of reproductive freedoms from being a federal issue to a state issue that's all that happened um and it that's all that happened and so when people say well he took away my reproductive freedoms I'm like what state are you in they're like New York and they're like well my sister works at Planned Parenthood I'm like how many how many abortions did she do last year and they're like oh she's done a lot actually so you know I'm I'm kind of just you know trying to level set in the most compassionate way I can anytime you're dealing with somebody um out of the best thing to do is to have compassion um Nicole I would love to have you for a podcast I I find you uh fascinating um and uh I hope that more and more people catch on to what you're doing and and wake up our our Republic depends on it Nicole Shanahan thank you God bless